Aiming Conclusion

peteypooldude

peteypooldude

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After years of intrigue with CTE and countless hours of table
time, I felt a huge increase in my game.
Spiderwebbcom (Dave) and Stan's information made a different player out of me. I had discipline in my game and something real to look at.
I then years later stumbled on the SEE system, Very good information also, even though I use CTE to place my eyes I use the SEE system to get my feet
in the correct place. I then got interested in CJs TOI. I spent a couple months using nothing but TOI on almost every ball. What it taught me was different patterns and what you do with the CB.
That is amazing information. CJ caused me to discover shots that I never knew existed. Hit a thousand or so balls with nothing but TOI with draw,stun and follow to play position in rotation games even when it doesn't seem correct and you'll know what I'm talking about.
All these systems IMO are best used together.I learned something different from each. Also I would like to thank Gene of perfect aim for helping me understand what my eyes are up to
Thanks for the knowledge
 
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I did went through the same aiming system like you stated PRO-ONE, SEE, and now TOI. All of these system are great and exceptionally explained well with the help of AZB as well its a ton of info. I'm still a beginner in TOI maybe less than 24hr altogether and I cant see myself calculating the way I use SEE, then pivot like PRO ONE and apply TOI. Thats just crazy and too much variables, but at the same time you have to be commited on one either pro one, see, ghost ball, stick aiming, toi etc. etc. so as for right now at this very early early stage of TOI, my game have improved overall, not just shotmaking etc. etc..I see that I can be commited to this for a very very long time because it works for me.
 
dirtychapurado2 said:
I did went through the same aiming system like you stated PRO-ONE, SEE, and now TOI. All of these system are great and exceptionally explained well with the help of AZB as well its a ton of info. I'm still a beginner in TOI maybe less than 24hr altogether and I cant see myself calculating the way I use SEE, then pivot like PRO ONE and apply TOI. Thats just crazy and too much variables, but at the same time you have to be commited on one either pro one, see, ghost ball, stick aiming, toi etc. etc. so as for right now at this very early early stage of TOI, my game have improved overall, not just shotmaking etc. etc..I see that I can be commited to this for a very very long time because it works for me.
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Once you've done it enough it's natural. I don't think about CTE lines or feet placement. If your calculating then it's not been long enough.
I have been using CTE everyday for 4 years. I could get degree in that amount of time. I incorporated SEE about almost a year ago. By the time I got to TOI the CTE and SEE where natural. Nothing to think about
 
Interesting. There's certainly a fair number of similarities between Pro One and SEE. At first, I liked SEE because you have one visual and the step in is supposed to take you to CCB. Also, Ekkes had lots of graphs and supporting videos. After more work, I believe Pro One visuals are easier to establish than the SEE visuals. Also, Stan covered dealing with shots where you can't assume a normal stance.

IMHO, and this is pure speculation on some of it, Stan clearly pioneered the development of Pro One based upon Hal Houle's CTE theory. My speculation is Ekkes took what Stan did and put his own spin on it. With that said, I think Pro One offers the best core system and it may be possible to augment Pro One with some things from SEE. I certainly haven't come close to mastering Pro One yet so it makes no sense to me to attempt to throw in another variable called TOI at this time. Given the large quantity of positive comments from players I believe are reasonably competent, I believe there must be something to TOI and it is worth looking at down the road. As I see it, TOI is not however an aiming system but rather, a method or tool used to augment whatever aiming system you use.
 
My conclusion is mis-hitting the cueball causes more misses than bad aiming ( besides throw and deflection miscalculations ).
 
nobcitypool said:
Interesting. There's certainly a fair number of similarities between Pro One and SEE. At first, I liked SEE because you have one visual and the step in is supposed to take you to CCB. Also, Ekkes had lots of graphs and supporting videos. After more work, I believe Pro One visuals are easier to establish than the SEE visuals. Also, Stan covered dealing with shots where you can't assume a normal stance.

IMHO, and this is pure speculation on some of it, Stan clearly pioneered the development of Pro One based upon Hal Houle's CTE theory. My speculation is Ekkes took what Stan did and put his own spin on it. With that said, I think Pro One offers the best core system and it may be possible to augment Pro One with some things from SEE. I certainly haven't come close to mastering Pro One yet so it makes no sense to me to attempt to throw in another variable called TOI at this time. Given the large quantity of positive comments from players I believe are reasonably competent, I believe there must be something to TOI and it is worth looking at down the road. As I see it, TOI is not however an aiming system but rather, a method or tool used to augment whatever aiming system you use.
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I don't really use TOI with CTE although I stick to my PSR.
TOI to me is a different way to move the CB around and pocket balls. It takes a completely different visual. CTE is a center ball system and with TOI your changing your alignment to a thicker hit
If that makes sense. I would conquer one before tackling another though
Its all great and valuable knowledge
 
vapoolplayer said:
Pretty sure the whole point of TOI(besides counter acting contact induced spin), was to minimize the need for exact tip placement???
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If you don't cue the ball correctly you'll either spin the CB or not get the deflection you need. It does however keep you from accidentally hitting the WRONG SIDE of the CB which happens a lot when trying to hit the center of the CB
 
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