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DaJokerz

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So in an effort to expand some billiard knowledge. I asked a local guy to play some 1 pocket. He said lets play cheap games, I agreed as long as he would coach me through it.

A situation came up where I owed a ball, and I had owed it for quite some time. We were playing safes back and forth, however the time I leave the cue ball in a good spot, he then reminds me that I owed a ball.

This caused an arguement between him and another player at the hall. I dont know what the rules are, and if they are different between tournament and "gambling" rules.

What is the proper scenario here? Does it stay down if he doesnt remind me? Or is he free to remind me at any given point?

Thanks!
Jason
 
DaJokerz said:
So in an effort to expand some billiard knowledge. I asked a local guy to play some 1 pocket. He said lets play cheap games, I agreed as long as he would coach me through it.

A situation came up where I owed a ball, and I had owed it for quite some time. We were playing safes back and forth, however the time I leave the cue ball in a good spot, he then reminds me that I owed a ball.

This caused an arguement between him and another player at the hall. I dont know what the rules are, and if they are different between tournament and "gambling" rules.

What is the proper scenario here? Does it stay down if he doesnt remind me? Or is he free to remind me at any given point?

Thanks!
Jason
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Should have spotted the ball immediately..Maybe the guy just remembered you needed to spot it, if it was an honest mistake you should spot the ball when he asked you. If the ball were to stay down and not spot what is to stop you or anyone else from pulling that move all the time..

I think it just showed you a 1 pocket lesson. Always spot balls and keep track of the fact the other guy might need to spot a ball..Just my 2 cents o
 
These are called sleepers where I play, and generally, once a player notices and speaks up, the ball is paid back after both players have one inning. Some people don't play sleepers,,,,,,,,be interesting to see what others here say about this.
 
This is the way I'd play it too, and is one reason why you should always mark an owed ball, with a coin near your pocket. If you forget to spot the ball at the end of the offensive play, then the offending player would spot the ball at the end of the incoming player's turn (as opposed to in the middle of the incoming player's inning).

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Renegade_56 said:
These are called sleepers where I play, and generally, once a player notices and speaks up, the ball is paid back after both players have one inning. Some people don't play sleepers,,,,,,,,be interesting to see what others here say about this.
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As Renegade 56 stated, it gets spoted after each player has a up at the table. So once he called it, the next time both of you have completed your up at the table, then the ball is spotted.

The reason for the delay in spotting the ball is so that neither player has a advantage when the ball is spotted.
 
DaJokerz said:
... A situation came up where I owed a ball, and I had owed it for quite some time. We were playing safes back and forth, however the time I leave the cue ball in a good spot, he then reminds me that I owed a ball. ...
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If he wanted to spot it immediately, it was a good lesson: some players will try to take advantage. If he wanted to spot it after an inning each, as mentioned above, it was a good lesson about the rules. Which did he want to do?
 
tthis from onepocket.org
complete set of rules
http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm

9.4 If any owed balls, or balls that have fallen into a neutral pocket are forgotten and later remembered, then instead of being spotted after the current shooter’s inning, they are spotted after the end of the next player’s inning, unless there are no balls left on the table, in which case they are all spotted immediately. In any case, any owed balls are not forgiven, but still must be paid.

In practice, forgotten balls may be spotted at any time after they are remembered, as long as both players agree on the timing; if either player objects to an earlier spotting, then rule 9.4 should be followed.

Please note that playing ‘snooze you lose’ is the rare exception in house rules; it is by no means the standard rule, and it should only be accepted when it is clearly and mutually agreed on by both players before play begins.


as mentioned above it should be spotted after both players have an inning for the reasons mentioned above
 
How you're going to handle sleepers is usually a good thing to straighten out at the start of a match, along with whatever house rules may apply to base of the ball and three consecutive fouls.

Lou Figueroa
 
Bob Jewett said:
If he wanted to spot it immediately, it was a good lesson: some players will try to take advantage. If he wanted to spot it after an inning each, as mentioned above, it was a good lesson about the rules. Which did he want to do?
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He wanted to spot it immediately.... I thought it was kind of shady...
 
DaJokerz said:
He wanted to spot it immediately.... I thought it was kind of shady...
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It was quite shady!!!! Some people let the greed of money get past their sense of fair play (you never find that in a pool hall, right?).

The ball should have been spotted after you next inning at the table. It might be wise to rethink gambling with this person again.....if he is the only person from which you can learn the game, perhaps offer him a hourly or a per game fee for his time as he coaches you through the game. He makes money, there's no incentive to cheat, and you benefit from his knowledge. Just a thought.
 
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