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DrCue'sProtege

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I read alot on here about mechanics with regards to being able to improve or maintain a high level of play. Yes, granted, i know mechanics are important.

For example, lets take Nick Varner. If he were to spend 2-3 hours at the table practicing for an upcoming event how much of the time would he spend solely on his mechanics?

Strickland, Corr, Archer, SVB, Immonen, etc, do these players actually work on their mechanics?

DCP
 
Mike,

I cannot speak for any of those pro's but as we have discussed, I recently began using SPF. My first tournament since I took lessons abd became a PBIA instructor was this weekend in Louisville. Myself and 4 Evansville friends went over to support Kathy Robert's fundraiser for Shelby County Dogs and Cats. Friday night we all went to the Diamond billiard pub (great place) and hung out and hit some balls. Saturday morning I hit two (2) mother drill 4 shots, one at a 3-speed and one at about an 8 speed. Both hit my tip dead center. I hit a mother drill 5, my first shot, a 3 speed landed center pocket. I then hit a long shot with cue ball in corner pocket, object ball at center table to the opposite corner with a 10 speed and swished it. I told my friends, I am ready to go - no practice needed. I did the exact same thing on Sunday before the finals. I played better than I used to play spending 25 - 30 hours a week. It took Louis Demarco 2 hours to put me out of the tournament in the single-elimination finals on Sunday! I currently train my mechanics about 1 hour a week and play about 4 hours a week.

Steve
 
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...and there you have it! Once a player has ingrained their "perfect process", they no longer need to do disciplined practice for hours on end. A few minutes will suffice. The same is true with pro players. They have ingrained their individual stroke processes to the point where they are completely subconscious (note that this doesn't mean they will never miss...everyone misses). If you never learn to completely trust your stroke, you will forever live in the land of inconsistent play. Congratulations Steve! You have turned the corner, and made the grade!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

boyersj said:
Mike,

I cannot speak for any of those pro's but as we have discussed, I recently began using SPF. My first tournament since I took lessons abd became a PBIA instructor was this weekend in Louisville. Myself and 4 Evansville friends went over to support Kathy Robert's fundraiser for Shelby County Dogs and Cats. Friday night we all went to the Diamond billiard pub (great place) and hung out and hit some balls. Saturday morning I hit two (2) mother drill 4 shots, one at a 3-speed and one at about an 8 speed. Both hit my tip dead center. I hit a mother drill 5, my 3 first shot, a 3 speed landed center pocket. I then hit a long shot with cue ball in corner pocket, object ball at center table to the opposite corner with a 10 speed and swished it. I told my friends, I am ready to go - no practice needed. I did the exact same thing on Sunday before the finals. I played better than I used to play spending 25 - 30 hours a week. It took Louis Demarco 2 hours to put me out of the tournament in the single-elimination finals on Sunday! I currently train my mechanics about 1 hours a week and play about 4 hours a week.

Steve
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This, i believe, is what scares alot of people off - somewhat including myself. Instructors acting like the Mother Drills are the Magic Bullet that will transform you into a world beater.

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I read alot on here about mechanics with regards to being able to improve or maintain a high level of play. Yes, granted, i know mechanics are important.

For example, lets take Nick Varner. If he were to spend 2-3 hours at the table practicing for an upcoming event how much of the time would he spend solely on his mechanics?

Strickland, Corr, Archer, SVB, Immonen, etc, do these players actually work on their mechanics?

DCP
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Yes, I believe they all work on their mechanics and will always continue to do so.

You can't say, OK enough mechanics for today. I'll move on to something else. I've tried to do that with my own game but it doesn't work. I found that you can't separate mechanics from everything else.
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
This, i believe, is what scares alot of people off - somewhat including myself. Instructors acting like the Mother Drills are the Magic Bullet that will transform you into a world beater.

DCP
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Im not sure where the implication that mother drills are a magic bullet. It doesn't exist. Mother drills are designed to provide a systematic method to address inconsistencies. They may be replaced by other means. That being said, failure to address mechanical flaws is the long way to the best pool we can play. Much like some ppl go to college, some skills trade school. Others take another approach, such as Bill Gates.

I simply provided my own situation not as an instructor, but as a student. To each their own!

Steve
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
This, i believe, is what scares alot of people off - somewhat including myself. Instructors acting like the Mother Drills are the Magic Bullet that will transform you into a world beater.

DCP
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You say your afraid that mother drills but can you tell me what the mother drills are? What about them are you afraid off?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
This, i believe, is what scares alot of people off - somewhat including myself. Instructors acting like the Mother Drills are the Magic Bullet that will transform you into a world beater.

DCP
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They might, if you live in a small World.....:smile:

randyg
 
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You say your afraid that mother drills but can you tell me what the mother drills are? What about them are you afraid off?
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I think you misunderstand him, or maybe I do, but I think he is saying that he is afraid to take lessons or is afraid for anyone taking lessons from instructors that place so much value on a set of drills.

My apologies if I have misinterpreted.
 
Rick...Apology accepted! LOL Mike has taken lessons from a few high profile instructors, but fails to be able to assimilate the information. Perhaps it's because he doesn't have your "46 years of experience"! As far as the value of the mother drills...thousands of satisfied students can't be all wrong! Like with any set of drills, if you don't know why you're doing them; what you expect to gain from them; and don't have a way to constantly measure your progess, then you won't gain much from them.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

ENGLISH! said:
I think you misunderstand him, or maybe I do, but I think he is saying that he is afraid to take lessons or is afraid for anyone taking lessons from instructors that place so much value on a set of drills.

My apologies if I have misinterpreted.
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Scott Lee said:
Rick...Apology accepted! LOL Mike has taken lessons from a few high profile instructors, but fails to be able to assimilate the information. Perhaps it's because he doesn't have your "46 years of experience"! As far as the value of the mother drills...thousands of satisfied students can't be all wrong! Like with any set of drills, if you don't know why you're doing them; what you expect to gain from them; and don't have a way to constantly measure your progess, then you won't gain much from them.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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TAP TAP TAP:thumbup:
 
ENGLISH! said:
I think you misunderstand him, or maybe I do, but I think he is saying that he is afraid to take lessons or is afraid for anyone taking lessons from instructors that place so much value on a set of drills.

My apologies if I have misinterpreted.
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Thats the nail on the head there. I've seen the Mother Drills. For anyone to think they will transform you into the 2nd Coming of Willie Mosconi is a huge mistake. And, in my opinion, for anyone to think they will make a big difference in your game is also a huge mistake.

However, there is some benefit to them. I would think they would be helpful to a beginner. But thats about all the benefit i can see.

Mike
 
I did not apologise to scott lee & have no reason to do so.

Scott Lee said:
Rick...Apology accepted! LOL Mike has taken lessons from a few high profile instructors, but fails to be able to assimilate the information. Sounds like a failure on their part or are you calling Mike unintelligent? Perhaps it's because he doesn't have your "46 years of experience"! As far as the value of the mother drills...thousands of satisfied students can't be all wrong! Prove that. Let's see thousands of testimonials. I would not take your word that the sky is blue. I have received several PMs stating that lessons form you were a total wate of time & money. Like with any set of drills, if you don't know why you're doing them; what you expect to gain from them; and don't have a way to constantly measure your progess, then you won't gain much from them. Again, that sounds like a failure on the part of the instructors.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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I DID NOT APOLOGIZE TO SCOTT LEE & HAVE NO REASON TO DO SO. (The apology was to Mike in case I had misintrepreted his meaning which apparently I did not)

WHAT IN THE HE _ _ ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REGARDING AN APOLOGY TO YOU? Are you trying to twist the thruth again?

I HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED TO YOU FOR ANYTHING & I HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO REASON TO DO SO. It's rather ironic though, given the fact that it was YOU that refused to apologize to Snappy9 (whom I do not know & have never met) upon my initial PM suggestion after for YOU basically called the man a liar, even though you did not use that word.

How dare you try to mislead anyone into thinking that I might have actully apologised to you. I'm not surprised though. As YOU PLAY FAST & LOOSE WITH THE TOTAL TRUTH.

Is this going to be another one of your hit & runs like in the english/rail thread?

You Sir are a piece of work. The thing is, I'm just not sure whose piece or work you are. But I am getting a better idea all of the time.

AGAIN...I DID NOT APOLOGIZE TO SCOTT LEE & HAVE NO REASON TO DO SO.

This post was entirely brought out by you, Scott Lee. It is in response to your post even giving a hint that one might take it that I appogized to you.
The LOL means nothing & can be taken to mean different things.

This post is another attempt to make you appear to be a bigger man than you are.

You Sir are a very little man & I do not mean in physical stature.

If it is your lack of writing skill, as some have suggested, that make you come off differently than they say you are in real life, then perhaps you should not post without having someone proof read your writing.

You also are a very, very poor stategist, given that teaching pool is your livelihood & we are on a pool forum. I don't know why you continue to light a match when standing next to a pallet load of fireworks.

Again this all could have been avoided if not for your deceptive post regarding an apology by me to you.

You have a good day,
 
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Mike...Who said they would turn someone into Mosconi? I never did...to you, or anyone else. The simple fact that you cannot see the benefits, even though they've been explained to you, says it all. When I came to see you (when everyone told me not to), I tried to actually help you. Less than a week later, you were on here complaining that nothing worked...and were told by others why it wasn't working. You're here doing the same thing years later. No amount of instruction from anyone is ever going to help you overcome the problems that hold you back from actually becoming a player (like driving 40 miles to play against people who actually can play).

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

DrCue'sProtege said:
Thats the nail on the head there. I've seen the Mother Drills. For anyone to think they will transform you into the 2nd Coming of Willie Mosconi is a huge mistake. And, in my opinion, for anyone to think they will make a big difference in your game is also a huge mistake.

However, there is some benefit to them. I would think they would be helpful to a beginner. But thats about all the benefit i can see.

Mike
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ENGLISH! said:
I DID NOT APOLOGIZE TO SCOTT LEE & HAVE NO REASON TO DO SO. (The apology was to Mike in case I had misintrepreted his meaning which apparently I did not)

WHAT IN THE HE _ _ ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REGARDING AN APOLOGY TO YOU? Are you trying to twist the thruth again?

I HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED TO YOU FOR ANYTHING & I HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO REASON TO DO SO. It's rather ironic though, given the fact that it was YOU that refused to apologize to Snappy9 (whom I do not know & have never met) upon my initial PM suggestion after for YOU basically called the man a liar, even though you did not use that word.

How dare you try to mislead anyone into thinking that I might have actully apologised to you. I'm not surprised though. As YOU PLAY FAST & LOOSE WITH THE TOTAL TRUTH.

Is this going to be another one of your hit & runs like in the english/rail thread?

You Sir are a piece of work. The thing is, I'm just not sure whose piece or work you are. But I am getting a better idea all of the time.

AGAIN...I DID NOT APOLOGIZE TO SCOTT LEE & HAVE NO REASON TO DO SO.

This post was entirely brought out by you, Scott Lee. It is in response to your post even giving a hint that one might take that I appogized to you. The LOL means nothing & can be taken to mean different things.

This post is another attempt to make you appear to be a bigger man than you are.

You Sir are a very little man & I do not mean in physical stature.

If it is your lack of writing skill, as some have suggested, that make you come off differently than they say you are in real life, then perhaps you should not post without having someone proof read your writing.

You also are a very, very poor stategist, given that teaching pool is your livelihood & we are on a pool forum. I don't know why you continue to light a match when standing next to a pallet load of fireworks.

Again this all could have been avoided if not for your deceptive post regarding an apology by me to you.

You have a good day,
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O.... M..... G...... seriously...

Nobody thought you were apologizing to Scott.... that's what makes it funny... Scott was being humerous by accpeting an apology not meant for him... but it appears during your 46 years of playing pool, they did NOT make any jokes while you were playing....and thus why you have never really formed the necessary sense of humor to understand when folks are being funny, clever or downright amusing....
 
ChicagoRJ said:
O.... M..... G...... seriously...

Nobody thought you were apologizing to Scott.... Oh, now you speak for everyone. that's what makes it funny... Scott was being humerous by accpeting an apology not meant for him... but it appears during your 46 years of playing pool, they did NOT make any jokes while you were playing....and thus why you have never really formed the necessary sense of humor to understand when folks are being funny, clever or downright amusing.... maybe from your point of view, but not from mine given our history & the possiblity of it being misinterpreted.
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Given our history, Scoot Lee trying to be humorous with me is HILARIOUS!

It is amazing to me how many, like you, think themselve to be OMNISCIENT.

When did you become the one to know what everybody thought or might think. Another display of either arrogance or is it merely poor writing skills?
 
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Scott Lee said:
Rick...I don't believe you either. If you have received PM's stating that lessons with me were a waste of time & money, prove it. I have corresponding proof to the opposite.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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How can you already have corrosponding proof to the opposite when I have not yet given any information as to who or when or how many? I may or may not have physical hard proof if I've deleted those PMs, but if I have deleted them & have no hard proof does not mean that I did not receive them.

If you already have such 'proof', this sounds very much like collusion with regards to a trap. Maybe you, or others, are not such a bad stategist after all. Maybe that is why you keep 'goating' & baiting me.

But please don't wait. Show now your corresponding 'proof'. Let's see it. I just don't understand how that can be.

Let's see it.

Also, if anyone wishes, please step up to defend me against Mr. Lee saying he can prove me to be a liar, because rest assued I will not betray what those of you have told me in private confidence. However, I would certainly appreciate the help, as I hold the truth, the whole truth, & nothing but the truth, in ultimate esteem.
 
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I know some people are passionate about thier beliefs but goodness - this is silly.

English doesn't think lessons are worth it, Mike thinks his lessons and the mother drills are not worth the time. Ok - cool.

I believe otherwise, as my personal results. In essence, who cares? If a poster wants to get better and is curious about lessons, let him or her take them. Otherwise they won't it takes an investment both monetarily, and emotionally to take a lesson.

Why the debates? someone explain why? otherwise, go hit some damned balls and take the aggression out on them!

Steve
 
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