Mechanics & Professionals

boyersj said:
I know some people are passionate about thier beliefs but goodness - this is silly.

English doesn't think lessons are worth it, Mike thinks his lessons and the mother drills are not worth the time. Ok - cool.

I believe otherwise, as my personal results. In essence, who cares? If a poster wants to get better and is curious about lessons, let him or her take them. Otherwise they won't it takes an investment both monetarily, and emotionally to take a lesson.

Why the debates? someone explain why? otherwise, go hit some damned balls and take the aggression out on them!

Steve
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Steve,

I can certainly appreciate most of what you just said & your position, but you make a similiar mistake by trying to put words in my mouth. 'English doesn't think lessons are worth it', I did not say that & I never have said that.

My opinions regarding lessons are not that cut & dry general & are more specific. But like you said, OK - Cool. Why all the comotion?

Best Regards & Wishes to You,
 
The solution to this particular debate seems simple. DrCuesProtege should meet English and take a lesson. English could teach him all he knows from his 46 years of experience in 10 minutes, then DCP could spin the ball around the table for a half hour and believe he is Willie Mosconi.

Scott, put English where he belongs, use the ignore function. I wish the ignore function extended to the quotes in other threads. Yes, I realize there is always the chance he'll someday make a post with one piece of worthwhile information. However, given his track record to date, odds don't favor it.

The bad news is, after you ignore him for awhile, your name may vanish from his childish chit list. Can you imagine, a guy who has played pool for 46 years but still juvenile enough to do that crap. If he had a clue, he'd know enough to be embarrassed.
 
nobcitypool said:
The solution to this particular debate seems simple. DrCuesProtege should meet English and take a lesson. English could teach him all he knows from his 46 years of experience in 10 minutes, then DCP could spin the ball around the table for a half hour and believe he is Willie Mosconi.

Scott, put English where he belongs, use the ignore function. I wish the ignore function extended to the quotes in other threads. Yes, I realize there is always the chance he'll someday make a post with one piece of worthwhile information. However, given his track record to date, odds don't favor it.

The bad news is, after you ignore him for awhile, your name may vanish from his childish chit list. Can you imagine, a guy who has played pool for 46 years but still juvenile enough to do that crap. If he had a clue, he'd know enough to be embarrassed.
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Do you mean childish & embarrassing like you jumping in here just to do a 'trolling' post?
 
yes. yes

nobcitypool said:
The solution to this particular debate seems simple. DrCuesProtege should meet English and take a lesson. English could teach him all he knows from his 46 years of experience in 10 minutes, then DCP could spin the ball around the table for a half hour and believe he is Willie Mosconi.

Scott, put English where he belongs, use the ignore function. I wish the ignore function extended to the quotes in other threads. Yes, I realize there is always the chance he'll someday make a post with one piece of worthwhile information. However, given his track record to date, odds don't favor it.

The bad news is, after you ignore him for awhile, your name may vanish from his childish chit list. Can you imagine, a guy who has played pool for 46 years but still juvenile enough to do that crap. If he had a clue, he'd know enough to be embarrassed.
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what he said. X2. Tap Tap Tap
 
ENGLISH! said:
Given our history, Scoot Lee trying to be humorous with me is HILARIOUS!

It is amazing to me how many, like you, think themselve to be OMNISCIENT.

When did you become the one to know what everybody thought or might think. Another display of either arrogance or is it merely poor writing skills?
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Really Rick, I don't have to be onmiscient or even very smart to know that Scott was being humerous... yes, at your expense, but he did NOT believe the apology was meant for him... c'mon... just a little commen sense, and I dun figured it out all by my lonesome....
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Really Rick, I don't have to be onmiscient or even very smart to know that Scott was being humerous... yes, at your expense, but he did NOT believe the apology was meant for him... c'mon... just a little commen sense, and I dun figured it out all by my lonesome....
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Ahhh, but you were not speaking for yourself. You were speaking for everybody when you said 'nobody'.

See, here's the thing. I have no doubt, that Mr. Lee did not think the appology was meant for him. I knew he knew it was not meant for him.

If I thought that, I would have merely pointed out to him that he was mistaken.

It was the possibility that anyone else might have misunderstood his statement & thought that I had appologised to him.

He should learn to phrase things in a less ambiguous manner, if it was not a roll the dice statement.

Him being sarcastic with me shows poor judgement. Like I said, one should not strike a match while standing next to a pallet load of fireworks.

He seems very use to saying whatever he likes with no thought or regard to any repercussions. He seems to be an extremely slow learner where I am concerned.
 
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If a player isn't beating the 9ball ghost in long races or running 75+ consistently, I don't think they should be against instructors or certain drills.

Granted, I also don't think any instructor is one size fits all. Some might be better than others, but an instructor that works well for Person A, might not work as well for Person B.
 
justadub said:
At one point, this thread was about pro's and their mechanics.
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Bruce,

You're correct, until Mr. Lee jumped in & started to put down Mike while quoting me & my intended clarification of what Mike was trying to say.

Look at it in full context & see who derailed Mike's thread.

Regards,
 
DCP

Of course you know that you will only get out what you put into anything.

It really doesn't matter what the drills are, it is your dedication to them to improve, and the process that you use to measure success.

I hope you find what works for you.


DrCue'sProtege said:
Thats the nail on the head there. I've seen the Mother Drills. For anyone to think they will transform you into the 2nd Coming of Willie Mosconi is a huge mistake. And, in my opinion, for anyone to think they will make a big difference in your game is also a huge mistake.

However, there is some benefit to them. I would think they would be helpful to a beginner. But thats about all the benefit i can see.

Mike
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ENGLISH! said:
Bruce,

You're correct, until Mr. Lee jumped in & started to put down Mike while quoting me & my intended clarification of what Mike was trying to say.

Look at it in full context & see who derailed Mike's thread.

Regards,
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Rick, I'm not interested in assessing blame or fault, or who was first. After a while, I think some folks are more interested in the fight...

Its a shame that this forum has become more contentious than the Main Forum.
 
I wish they had a feature on this forum that measures how much certain ppl derail from subject lol.

Back to the original post. To answer your question, it depends on the pro, some focus more than other in their mechanics than others, from conversations that I have had with several of them, I can tell you that archer or Strickland don't spend too much time on their mechanics but other aspects of their game, Mika spends the most time on his mechanics of all the pros that I know and SVB spends a lot of time on the mechanics of his breaks. The thing is, once you have mechanics down and a good preshot routine set and practice for many hours a week you don't have to spend that much time just working on mechanics, you would spend your time on other things that require attention on your game. Just like someone that have been playing for years and have a lot of bad habits and this are hard to get rid off, the good habits once you have been doing them for a long time are hard to "get rid off" sort of speak. Maintanance touch ups every so often will keep your mechanics good.
 
Consider a 20/80 mix. When in training to go next level (this applies to many levels of players and not necessairily an active touring pro or roadie) do 80% drills, 20% playing games. Reverse it to 20% drills/80% play once you are on the top of where you want to be.

I'll make another comment and hope I don't get flamed. For some players (especially lower level players) I'd almost rather see them do stance and grip and body positioning drills more than classic shotmaking drills that could only enhance their bad habits. A drill like staying down through impact or assuming the same stance every time for the same shot is better than watching them play "The Mighty X" or trying to draw the ball an eight-diamond distance IMO.
 
I have said this over and over and over, repeatedly, but i will say it again.

Scott is right, i have taken lessons from various instructors such as himself, Tom Rossman, Mark Wilson, and Diana Minor. Having said that, when someone says i dont listen or just ignore what i've been told/taught, they are 100% wrong.

Jeepers folks, believe it or not, i still do the simple drills Tom Rossman showed me when i took my first lesson. I even still do the Mother Drills. I dont think they help me but i will still do them some. I still focus on hitting that CB right at the exact spot - which was the #1 nugget of info i took from my lesson with Mark Wilson.

At this point i might have reached the best level i am ever going to reach. Maybe i wont ever get any better. Maybe i will. Who knows. I intend to keep on trying though.

And if someone can tell me where i can go and get some quality competition thats only 40 miles from me, please let me know. Unfortunately, the two players that i used to play and practice against both have passed away. Both fine gentlemen, both are greatly missed.

Mike
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I have said this over and over and over, repeatedly, but i will say it again.

Scott is right, i have taken lessons from various instructors such as himself, Tom Rossman, Mark Wilson, and Diana Minor. Having said that, when someone says i dont listen or just ignore what i've been told/taught, they are 100% wrong.

Jeepers folks, believe it or not, i still do the simple drills Tom Rossman showed me when i took my first lesson. I even still do the Mother Drills. I dont think they help me but i will still do them some. I still focus on hitting that CB right at the exact spot - which was the #1 nugget of info i took from my lesson with Mark Wilson.

At this point i might have reached the best level i am ever going to reach. Maybe i wont ever get any better. Maybe i will. Who knows. I intend to keep on trying though.

And if someone can tell me where i can go and get some quality competition thats only 40 miles from me, please let me know. Unfortunately, the two players that i used to play and practice against both have passed away. Both fine gentlemen, both are greatly missed.

Mike
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Mike, here's a suggestion: If you're frustrated with the way things are going with your game, then you have to change something.

My suggestion is to pick a game that you love to play, 8-Ball, 9-Ball or 14.1 and just play it by yourself over and over and over. Pay attention to your errors as they occur. Patterns in your mistakes will start to come to light. You may notice that you miss certain types of shots, or shots in a certain direction.

No matter how much help you get or how much competition you get, pool is a solitary game. Playing by yourself is essential to improving. But if you give up too soon, you will lose all that you have put into it. You have to keep playing until you learn to understand yourself at the table. This isn't about a few hours here and there. It's about weeks and months.
 
What it is you have problems with on the table DCP? Is there something specific you feel the Mother Drills don't address; that any drill does not address?

If you feel like you're still having trouble I'm sure Scott or any other instructor is more than capable of helping you with it. Maybe you need more personal attention and if it's just not possible you can always upload a private YouTube and send the link to the people you want to see it.



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Mike,

I'm sorry for my part in the detour.

I hope you find your answer. I do very much that which Ms. Crimi suggests. I don't do any specific drills on any repetetive basis. If I notice something that may have drifted in like a virus I just play against myself making sure I fix it on every shot as I play.

Remember what Jimmy Valvano said, "Don't Give Help...Don't Ever Give Help!"

All the Best,
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
I read alot on here about mechanics with regards to being able to improve or maintain a high level of play. Yes, granted, i know mechanics are important.

For example, lets take Nick Varner. If he were to spend 2-3 hours at the table practicing for an upcoming event how much of the time would he spend solely on his mechanics?

Strickland, Corr, Archer, SVB, Immonen, etc, do these players actually work on their mechanics?

DCP
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Probably zero, they are all mature accomplished players and mechanics should be well behind them.
They may look for any bad habits that have crept in but should be focusing on reviving the muscle memory and familiarity.
Fine motor skill learning tapers off severely in your early 20's
 
Mike...If you are just doing the Mother Drills, or any others, and you don't know how you're supposed to benefit from them, then just doing them over and over is not going to help you improve...imo. As far as people to play, I tried to turn you on to two other students of mine, right in your own town. You declined to even contact them. There are certainly players in both Bloomington and Terre Haute that can run over you...so it's your choice not to seek out a higher level of competition.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

DrCue'sProtege said:
I have said this over and over and over, repeatedly, but i will say it again.

Scott is right, i have taken lessons from various instructors such as himself, Tom Rossman, Mark Wilson, and Diana Minor. Having said that, when someone says i dont listen or just ignore what i've been told/taught, they are 100% wrong.

Jeepers folks, believe it or not, i still do the simple drills Tom Rossman showed me when i took my first lesson. I even still do the Mother Drills. I dont think they help me but i will still do them some. I still focus on hitting that CB right at the exact spot - which was the #1 nugget of info i took from my lesson with Mark Wilson.

At this point i might have reached the best level i am ever going to reach. Maybe i wont ever get any better. Maybe i will. Who knows. I intend to keep on trying though.

And if someone can tell me where i can go and get some quality competition thats only 40 miles from me, please let me know. Unfortunately, the two players that i used to play and practice against both have passed away. Both fine gentlemen, both are greatly missed.

Mike
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