Try this at home. $100 if you can do it.

[cleary]

First, Stan did a great job with the videos...and the banking video is the most impressive IMO.
Dave did a similar video a few years ago, I argued that he still knew where the pocket was, I was challenged to prove that it could be done without CTE.. I did it and posted a video.
Neither Dave or myself were 100% accurate, however, I said then and I still say, there is enough other visual references to allow you to hit the pocket, and there is still enough of the table visible in Stan's video for your mind to fill in the missing pieces.
This is not a knock on Stan or CTE, I do not care which tools you use as long as you get the job done. Stan obviously knows his tools, and has mastered them.
I am fairly certain however I could set it up to where he could not pocket or bank the balls by removing the view of the rails. Think of it as being in a row boat in the middle of the ocean, which direction do you row? If you use the sun or stars you can get somewhere, however on a cloudy night you may go in circles.

Dave is a good player and I'm guessing you are as well. The people who will benefit the most from an aiming system are B/C/D players. People who struggle running out with 5 balls on the table. If you pocket balls fine enough, then move on. You don't need the system. Aiming systems are just means to an end and people do different things and have the same results. I honestly don't think Stevie Moore benefits AT ALL from pro one. He was pocketing balls on an expert level long before any of this. But what it can do to a bangers game is huge. They just gotta trust it.

The biggest issue I've seen from people who think this is all BS is one of two things. 1. they say it will not work on 100% of shots. 2. they think it's a money making scheme and they're not buying it.

Truth is, 1. nobody makes 100% of the shots they shoot... even if they're aiming correctly. If it works on 90% of the shots, that's pretty strong. 2. Almost all of this info is out there, free. The ones that sell the info are lucky to make a few bucks on it. I'm currently editing an aiming video with Shane and I just hope to break even. I learned enough from during the shoot, that it's worth it either way.

 

[blah blah]

He put 15 balls into one pocket?

I thought the same thing- there has to be someone on the other side of the curtain taking some of the balls out to make room.

The camera might should be set up where the audience can see both sides of the curtain, while the shooter can't.

 

[mohrt]

I thought the same thing- there has to be someone on the other side of the curtain taking some of the balls out to make room.

The camera might should be set up where the audience can see both sides of the curtain, while the shooter can't.

Did you not watch the entire video? He is using a Diamond table, the pockets are deep enough to hold 15 balls. As he removes the balls he explains how he likes the Diamond deep pockets, especially for one pocket.

 

[Neil]

Did you not watch the entire video? He is using a Diamond table, the pockets are deep enough to hold 15 balls. As he removes the balls he explains how he likes the Diamond deep pockets, especially for one pocket.

Isn't it amazing how people only see what they want to see? I suppose they also think someone is under the table handing him the balls when he removes them from the pockets.??

 

[JC]

You're shooting yourself in the foot John. If no one does it then what does this show? It shows that Stan has a talent for pool other than his aiming system since others use that system yet can't perform what he does. Kind of like ghost ball aiming pros are better than ghost ball aiming bangers. It proves every doubter's point of contention that it's not the aiming system but the talent of the man holding the stick. Well I guess the weight of the CTE world is now sitting squarely on shoulders of guys like Gerry and You. Good luck!:smile:

JC

 

[JB Cases]

You're shooting yourself in the foot John. If no one does it then what does this show? It shows that Stan has a talent for pool other than his aiming system since others use that system yet can't perform what he does. Kind of like ghost ball aiming pros are better than ghost ball aiming bangers. It proves every doubter's point of contention that it's not the aiming system but the talent of the man holding the stick. Well I guess the weight of the CTE world is now sitting squarely on shoulders of guys like Gerry and You. Good luck!:smile:

JC

I know that no one else will do it with the exception of maybe some other CTE users if they want to.

The reason that they won't is because they can't. If you really look at some of the shots Stan is doing some of them are not easy even if you can see the pocket.

I know it's your contention that it's talent but you are incorrect. It's training in a specific and systematic way to play pool. Stan is HIGHLY trained in this method as he must be to teach it.

So of course his demonstrating these 40 balls without a miss including ten banks in a row is an example of what a person can achieve at the highest level of proficiency. I found it to be quite impressive. In fact Stan made more balls without seeing the pocket than most can make with nothing blocking their view.

I think if you or anyone else can do it then do it. At least try. Heck I will pay $50 to the person who makes the most balls even trying to duplicate his videos. Use whatever you want to use. If your methods are as good then it should be no problem.

Also regarding doubters. You can doubt all you want to. Makes no difference because the train has left the station and this is only further proof of what a lot of us already know. We have known for years and if you or anyone else doesn't want to learn it then it's not a problem. As they say it ain't bragging if you can do it. I don't personally have any problem with you or anyone doubting anything. If you raise your objections then they will be answered and life moves on.

Here Stan put out some vids showing what he can do. If you think it's a parlor trick then expose it. Show us how it's done and prove him wrong.

But for everyone else, watch the videos and listen to what the man is saying, really listen and then watch them again. You just might learn something you really can use.

 

[Husler]

First, Stan did a great job with the videos...and the banking video is the most impressive IMO.
Dave did a similar video a few years ago, I argued that he still knew where the pocket was, I was challenged to prove that it could be done without CTE.. I did it and posted a video.
Neither Dave or myself were 100% accurate, however, I said then and I still say, there is enough other visual references to allow you to hit the pocket, and there is still enough of the table visible in Stan's video for your mind to fill in the missing pieces.
This is not a knock on Stan or CTE, I do not care which tools you use as long as you get the job done. Stan obviously knows his tools, and has mastered them.
I am fairly certain however I could set it up to where he could not pocket or bank the balls by removing the view of the rails. Think of it as being in a row boat in the middle of the ocean, which direction do you row? If you use the sun or stars you can get somewhere, however on a cloudy night you may go in circles.

There are two ways that will mess the system up.

1. Change the table configurations.
2. Disorient the person on the table where he is unsure of what rail is in front of him.

You can remove the rails it wont make a difference, the system is tied into the table configurations. There is only a handful of people that understand how well this system has been designed.

maybe Stan can make a video to help people understand how the system is connected to the table, I think this will really help some understand it more.

 

[Kobachi]

Two cameras and a split screen video and this thread would've been cut 2/3rds.

Cool vids tho by Stan.

 

[pool101]

There are two ways that will mess the system up.

1. Change the table configurations.
2. Disorient the person on the table where he is unsure of what rail is in front of him.

You can remove the rails it wont make a difference, the system is tied into the table configurations. There is only a handful of people that understand how well this system has been designed.

maybe Stan can make a video to help people understand how the system is connected to the table, I think this will really help some understand it more.

#2 is what I was referring to. If you do not know where you are on the table or what size table you are on then it will not work..
You can have the rail in front of you but if the diamonds are covered and so you do not know what size table you are on and you do not know if you are facing an end rail or a side rail then you are lost..
Again, this is not a shot at Stan or CTE... Just pointing out the fact that you are subconsiously aware of certain things..
Mark
Ps maybe CJ will do this, then John would not know who to cheer for!

 

[blah blah]

Did you not watch the entire video? He is using a Diamond table, the pockets are deep enough to hold 15 balls. As he removes the balls he explains how he likes the Diamond deep pockets, especially for one pocket.

Why, yes, I did watch it- twice. The second time was to count the balls. We have a Diamond Billiards room here in town, which only has Diamond tables- and I can't fit 15 balls in a single pocket there. He must have a new-fangled Diamond that we don't have around here.

Isn't it amazing how people only see what they want to see? I suppose they also think someone is under the table handing him the balls when he removes them from the pockets.??

Yes, it IS amazing that people only see what they want to see.

What's also amazing is that no one can say anything even seemingly questioning in regards to an aiming system on here without feathers getting ruffled.

I don't care about CTE either way- I was merely suggesting that having the camera at a slightly different angle would help.

Sheesh.

 

[JB Cases]

#2 is what I was referring to. If you do not know where you are on the table or what size table you are on then it will not work..
You can have the rail in front of you but if the diamonds are covered and so you do not know what size table you are on and you do not know if you are facing an end rail or a side rail then you are lost..
Again, this is not a shot at Stan or CTE... Just pointing out the fact that you are subconsiously aware of certain things..
Mark
Ps maybe CJ will do this then John would not know who to cheer for!

I will cheer for anyone who can do it. This isn't about how you can mess a person up on this exercise it's about DOING this exercise as it was done.

Go ahead if you can do it. Stan showed accuracy. Can you match him?

 

[Spimp13]

Careful guys!!!!!!

 

[JB Cases]

Why, yes, I did watch it- twice. The second time was to count the balls. We have a Diamond Billiards room here in town, which only has Diamond tables- and I can't fit 15 balls in a single pocket there. He must have a new-fangled Diamond that we don't have around here.

He does. Diamond makes a pocket that can hold 15 balls. March Lehmacher in Germany invented a similar one 20 years ago.

Yes, it IS amazing that people only see what they want to see.

What's also amazing is that no one can say anything even seemingly questioning in regards to an aiming system on here without feathers getting ruffled.

I don't care about CTE either way- I was merely suggesting that having the camera at a slightly different angle would help.

Sheesh.

Not ruffling my feathers. I just want to see anyone duplicate the results. Million Balls guys, natural talent guys, gotta memorize everything guys, whatever, go to the table and try it. I have my own little curtain that I set up but it's not all the way across the table.

I was inconsistent with my little curtain. Shows me that I have to work on my visualization more.

I am going to try it, might have to give myself $50 because I doubt anyone else is going to try it or duplicate it unless they are as proficient as Stan is with this method he is using.

We can talk all day but the videos prove what we are talking about. If you have something as good or better then simply prove it on video.

 

[Husler]

#2 is what I was referring to. If you do not know where you are on the table or what size table you are on then it will not work..
You can have the rail in front of you but if the diamonds are covered and so you do not know what size table you are on and you do not know if you are facing an end rail or a side rail then you are lost..
Again, this is not a shot at Stan or CTE... Just pointing out the fact that you are subconsiously aware of certain things..
Mark
Ps maybe CJ will do this, then John would not know who to cheer for!

your changing the configurations of the table like I said in #1. We have to draw a line on whats realistically debatable and whats not or we are going to spin our wheels

I think Jb likes to debate the idea of progress and having an open mind to new ideas more than being someones sidekick.

 

[pool101]

I will cheer for anyone who can do it. This isn't about how you can mess a person up on this exercise it's about DOING this exercise as it was done.

Go ahead if you can do it. Stand showed accuracy. Can you match him?

Probably not, Do I care? No!
Like I said, it is not a knock on Stan or CTE...
Are there others who can do it without using CTE? Probably so..
Am I impressed with Stan's videos? Yes! at least the last 2. The first one with only the corner covered, not as much..

 

[JB Cases]

Probably not, Do I care? No!
Like I said, it is not a knock on Stan or CTE...
Are there others who can do it without using CTE? Probably so..
Am I impressed with Stan's videos? Yes! at least the last 2. The first one with only the corner covered, not as much..

Great. Well I will tell you what. For you I will make a special deal. You only do the corner one and make all fifteen shots and I will paypal you $25.

Since that one was the easy one you should be able to make all 15 no problem.

 

[JB Cases]

#2 is what I was referring to. If you do not know where you are on the table or what size table you are on then it will not work..
You can have the rail in front of you but if the diamonds are covered and so you do not know what size table you are on and you do not know if you are facing an end rail or a side rail then you are lost..
Again, this is not a shot at Stan or CTE... Just pointing out the fact that you are subconsiously aware of certain things..
Mark
Ps maybe CJ will do this, then John would not know who to cheer for!

By the way, just for the record, this method works on toy tables, with marbles, balls of different sizes, coins, jar caps, potato chips, whatever you want to use to shoot one object into another object towards a target.

Guess someone needs to make a video proving that as well.

This is a toy table on my desk. Stan's method works perfectly to make balls on it.

 

[cleary]

Great. Well I will tell you what. For you I will make a special deal. You only do the corner one and make all fifteen shots and I will paypal you $25.

Since that one was the easy one you should be able to make all 15 no problem.

JOHN! I have a good idea for you. At the expo, get a booth with a table and run a contest. Set up a screen so you can't see the pocket, set up 15 different shots including banks and back cuts. Video camera over the table so everyone can see it real time. $5/try, then have a leaderboard. The best gets 50% of whatever is raised.

 

[Cracktherack]

I want to play somebody easier to beat than him.

 

[JB Cases]

JOHN! I have a good idea for you. At the expo, get a booth with a table and run a contest. Set up a screen so you can't see the pocket, set up 15 different shots including banks and back cuts. Video camera over the table so everyone can see it real time. $5/try, then have a leaderboard. The best gets 50% of whatever is raised.

I would but I don't have room for a table. But I might think about it and try to run it informally on one of the rental tables.

Sounds like a good idea. Should I bar Stan and Landon from participating?