New Aramith magnetic cue ball

Wow. This could really help out those league locations that refuse to open the tables for league play; thereby making it difficult for players to use their own Red Circles or similar.
 
Is the point of this new cue ball for it to play more like a standard cue ball ? If so I think it's a step in the right direction for bar tables...For a few of our local APA vegas qualifiers our L/O replaced all of the balls with Aramith sets and that made a world of difference on the bar tables for sure. Fortunately we get to play some of our qualifiers on Diamonds here anyway so that's not an issue...only issue is qualify on greatness, get to Vegas and play on ...well, not so great...
 
leto1776 said:
ok,possibly dumb question,but what's special about it being magnetic?
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Nothing special about it at all. In fact, I don't like it all. From my basic understanding, the magnet is what guides the cue ball into the ball return on the bar tables and keeps it from dropping into the slot where the object balls go. I believe it's heavier and larger than a standard cue ball that you'd find on a Diamond or Gold Crown or any drop pocket table. The Diamond Smart tables(bar boxes) have mechanism that guides the standard ball to the return, laser? I think. This mechanism is not cheap.

I have gathered all of this from being around these tables and conversation, no research on my part so I could be mistaken on any of this.
 
StuartTKelley said:
Nothing special about it at all. In fact, I don't like it all. From my basic understanding, the magnet is what guides the cue ball into the ball return on the bar tables and keeps it from dropping into the slot where the object balls go. I believe it's heavier and larger than a standard cue ball that you'd find on a Diamond or Gold Crown or any drop pocket table. The Diamond Smart tables(bar boxes) have mechanism that guides the standard ball to the return, laser? I think. This mechanism is not cheap.

I have gathered all of this from being around these tables and conversation, no research on my part so I could be mistaken on any of this.
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But that's how rumors perpetuate.... so... oh well!

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/balls.html
 
On many coin-operated tables in bars (i.e., "bar boxes"), the CB is often heavier and/or larger than the other balls to help the ball-return mechanism distinguish the CB from the others.
''Table manufacturers needed a way to allow the cue ball to be returned to play, while keeping the pocketed numbered balls locked in the storage compartment. Many solutions have been proposed to solve this problem, including:
Light sensors that sense the light reflected from the cue ball
A metallic core ball that would trigger a separating mechanism when it passed through an electromagnetic field
A balance mechanism that would separate a heavier cue ball from lighter numbered balls
And so on. For the most part, though, coin-operated tables use two types of cue balls that can be easily separated:
An oversized ball that is separated by a radius gauging device.
A magnetic cue ball that triggers a magnetic detector.''
 
StuartTKelley said:
On many coin-operated tables in bars (i.e., "bar boxes"), the CB is often heavier and/or larger than the other balls to help the ball-return mechanism distinguish the CB from the others.
''Table manufacturers needed a way to allow the cue ball to be returned to play, while keeping the pocketed numbered balls locked in the storage compartment. Many solutions have been proposed to solve this problem, including:
Light sensors that sense the light reflected from the cue ball
A metallic core ball that would trigger a separating mechanism when it passed through an electromagnetic field
A balance mechanism that would separate a heavier cue ball from lighter numbered balls
And so on. For the most part, though, coin-operated tables use two types of cue balls that can be easily separated:
An oversized ball that is separated by a radius gauging device.
A magnetic cue ball that triggers a magnetic detector.''
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The purple logo is an update of the green logo . The green logo apparently had problems with hazing of the finish becoming flat . They say a new formula has made this finish harder . They have avideo on YouTube showing the green logo as being equal weight .
 
The cue ball is not magnetic it has a layer just under the surface coating

that has very-very fine metal powder within that resin layer thats why the

ball is perfectly balanced.

The outer layer is white Duramith resin which is Aramith's newest resin

formula.

The Valley table has a magnet along the side of the ball return just before

the ball window you see where it pulls the cue ball over to the cue ball

return. I hope this may help.



Thank's C.D.
 
I think most people ae aware that many bar tables use a magnetic seperator to distinguish the cue ball from object balls.

All this 'ad' does is to tell you that the balls weigh the same as a 'normal' cue ball.

That is a fact.

BUT - that is not the problem with the magnetic balls.
The old plugged cue balls also weighed the same.

The real problem is that the don't roll true.
The newer style aramith Valley cue ball is actually an object ball that has been ground down - then a thin magnetic strip is added - then the finish layer is put on. The magnetic strip is like a refrigerator calendar material.

So - now the cue ball has more weight on the outside of the ball. This makes it hard to start rolling and then it keeps rolling. So it 'acts' differently than a 'real cue ball.

Also, there have been stories of the Valley cue ball breaking into pieces - the outside liner breaks off.

I think they still have work to do to make it play like a 'real cue ball'.

OR get a Diamond and just use a real cue ball -- enuff said!!

Mark Griffin
 
StuartTKelley said:
On many coin-operated tables in bars (i.e., "bar boxes"), the CB is often heavier and/or larger than the other balls to help the ball-return mechanism distinguish the CB from the others.
''Table manufacturers needed a way to allow the cue ball to be returned to play, while keeping the pocketed numbered balls locked in the storage compartment. Many solutions have been proposed to solve this problem, including:
Light sensors that sense the light reflected from the cue ball
A metallic core ball that would trigger a separating mechanism when it passed through an electromagnetic field
A balance mechanism that would separate a heavier cue ball from lighter numbered balls
And so on. For the most part, though, coin-operated tables use two types of cue balls that can be easily separated:
An oversized ball that is separated by a radius gauging device.
A magnetic cue ball that triggers a magnetic detector.''
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Pretty sure Diamond uses an optical sensor to distinguish between the cue ball and object balls. One of the best parts of playing on a small Diamond Smart table is using a REAL cue ball. Thanks to Greg and Mark for bringing the bar box game up to professional standards. Now if only Valley would stop procrastinating........

Lyn
 
Mark Griffin said:
I think most people ae aware that many bar tables use a magnetic seperator to distinguish the cue ball from object balls.

All this 'ad' does is to tell you that the balls weigh the same as a 'normal' cue ball.

That is a fact.

BUT - that is not the problem with the magnetic balls.
The old plugged cue balls also weighed the same.

The real problem is that the don't roll true.
The newer style aramith Valley cue ball is actually an object ball that has been ground down - then a thin magnetic strip is added - then the finish layer is put on. The magnetic strip is like a refrigerator calendar material.

So - now the cue ball has more weight on the outside of the ball. This makes it hard to start rolling and then it keeps rolling. So it 'acts' differently than a 'real cue ball.

Also, there have been stories of the Valley cue ball breaking into pieces - the outside liner breaks off.

I think they still have work to do to make it play like a 'real cue ball'.

OR get a Diamond and just use a real cue ball -- enuff said!!

Mark Griffin
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Mark,

You just said more clearly what I have been telling people for a long time. THIS is the issue with that cueball. It simply *doesn't play right*! BUT, it is the best bar ball so far. I wonder if this newer version improves upon the perimeter weighting problem.

Anyway, well said.

KMRUNOUT
 
Balls

The valley cue balls really do deteriorate over time. Just try to slow roll a safe shot with an old cue ball and see how it works out. The room where I play uses valley's the see a lot of action. I'd say he replaces the cue balls every few weeks or so. When they're new they play fine, but older ones roll off and don't take spin as well. I'll be sure to mention the purple logo balls.

Hey Stuart, how can I get a job like yours where I can talk on the forum all day?
 
Frankenstroke said:
Aramith has a new magnetic cueball called the Cougar Duramith magnetic cue ball. Its so new I can't find one for sale, except on one site that requires a $45 minimum order.

http://www.valley-dynamoparts.com/product.asp?line=2&catid=50&id=956

It has a purple emblem, as opposed to their old magnetic cue ball with a green emblem.

Does anyone know where I can buy one?
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Buy two. If you only want one, I'll Paypal you for the second one.

Freddie <~~~ and that would be that
 
Mark Griffin said:
I think most people ae aware that many bar tables use a magnetic seperator to distinguish the cue ball from object balls.

All this 'ad' does is to tell you that the balls weigh the same as a 'normal' cue ball.

That is a fact.

BUT - that is not the problem with the magnetic balls.
The old plugged cue balls also weighed the same.

The real problem is that the don't roll true.
The newer style aramith Valley cue ball is actually an object ball that has been ground down - then a thin magnetic strip is added - then the finish layer is put on. The magnetic strip is like a refrigerator calendar material.

So - now the cue ball has more weight on the outside of the ball. This makes it hard to start rolling and then it keeps rolling. So it 'acts' differently than a 'real cue ball.

Also, there have been stories of the Valley cue ball breaking into pieces - the outside liner breaks off.

I think they still have work to do to make it play like a 'real cue ball'.

OR get a Diamond and just use a real cue ball -- enuff said!!

Mark Griffin
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Amen, Diamond bar boxes are the real deal. I enjoy playing pool on these more than any other table for sure. As for Valley, forget it.
 
This type of thread comes up from time to time. I'm going to assume this isn't common with Aramith's products, and wonder if they will cover it under warranty?
 
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