The OP asked, 'Is it just me?'.
I think that opens it up for those that disagree. A discussion usually requires at least Two (2) sides.
Regards,
Centre ball is my preference
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The OP asked, 'Is it just me?'.
I think that opens it up for those that disagree. A discussion usually requires at least Two (2) sides.
Regards,
This is the main reason i mentioned in few old posts, that we need "National Curriculum" for pool so everyone teaches the same most right thing approved by a committee of say pros or instructors, and people actually graduate from such institution with "pool excellency certificate" then they are on their own!! But seem impossible..
I know the BCA is there but maybe a bit old and need rejuvenation..
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Gee, most flattering thing anyone has written :embarrassed2:
And completely inappropriate: I quote Mosconi, but I only hit the vertical centre by accident.
You can tell from my spelling of centre that I am not American.
Only one person who posts around here has met me, and he has probably figured out from my posts who I am.
I've seen how irate some people become when they take exception, so I remain anonymous.
I hang out in the Snooker section and come over here to seek converts.
There is an elongated thread somewhere debating the relative merits of snooker and straight pool.
Unfortunately, my missionary zeal couldn't lead John Schmidt to salvation. :frown:
Around here, for my own amusement, I take pot shots on subjects American:
Any quick fix short of fundamental technique;
Obsession with cue bling;
The endless complaining about problems originating from a lack of a governing body while steadfastly refusing to support the creation of a governing body;
and
The refusal to understand that snooker can be played on a 9 ft. table and that not having a 12 ft table is not reason to avoid the superior game.
And, of course, there is NPR - a peephole into all facets of the American mind - as good as a trip to the zoo.
Pathetic Shark
Banned
No, I very much don't roll em lol. I bang em as hard as anyone who has ever lived, pretty much.
I meant vertical axis as default, rather than strictly centre centre, let alone all the other flimflam and fads.
your paragraph and im not sure whether justin or cj wrote it has given me the best picture of toi.thank you
for awhile it seemed to me icbw cj said you dont hit the ball far enough off vertical to get deflection. that made no scence to me.
you state there is a degree of deflection. makes more sence
my previous post and in responce to english who u assume was refferring to me
cj is unquestionably a great player and his "system" surely works for him and for many others.
i do have one comment on your statement about acceptance spin
i think you are incorrect in your assumption
when you cut a ball to the left
the collision with the cue ball will put right spin on it not left
left hand english on the cue ball would add MORE right hand spin to the object ball
giving it nonacceptance spin as it hit the right pocket facing favoring it jawing not favoring it going in
you could mitigate against the collision induced spin to some degree with more than a touch of OUTSIDE english
sorry for the digression
keep on gentlemen
Gee, most flattering thing anyone has written :embarrassed2:
And completely inappropriate: I quote Mosconi, but I only hit the vertical centre by accident.
You can tell from my spelling of centre that I am not American.
Only one person who posts around here has met me, and he has probably figured out from my posts who I am.
I've seen how irate some people become when they take exception, so I remain anonymous.
I hang out in the Snooker section and come over here to seek converts.
There is an elongated thread somewhere debating the relative merits of snooker and straight pool.
Unfortunately, my missionary zeal couldn't lead John Schmidt to salvation. :frown:
Around here, for my own amusement, I take pot shots on subjects American:
Any quick fix short of fundamental technique;
Obsession with cue bling;
The endless complaining about problems originating from a lack of a governing body while steadfastly refusing to support the creation of a governing body;
and
The refusal to understand that snooker can be played on a 9 ft. table and that not having a 12 ft table is not reason to avoid the superior game.
And, of course, there is NPR - a peephole into all facets of the American mind - as good as a trip to the zoo.
What you saying!! just kidding,,ok snooker fan!
Mr. Naji,
I don't get your point when quoting me for complimenting what Dale said.
There is no one way to play pool. What's best for one will not fit another.
IMHO It is virtually impossible to put a 3 millimeter cue tip contact patch on the exact infinitely small verticle axis of a round cue ball consistently. One will be on one side or the other a good deal of the time. Is there a margin for such error? Yes, the pockets are bigger than the balls & a corresponding mis-aim can counter a mis-hit. To me that is a good deal of luck. I'd rather know what side of the ball I am going hit & plan accordingly.
Re-read what Mr. Mosconi said with regards to english, "Complete mastery of the game depends to some extent on english..." I don't know when that quote was from or to whom he was speaking but keep in mind they did not give away their secrets back in those days the way CJ is giving away his these days.
IMHO, as soon as one's stroke is reasonably straight they should start learning english & what it can do. If not, they are trying to play the game with only metric tools when many of the nuts & bolts are of the English variety. Then it is just like anything else. You better use it or you will lose it.
Snooker is an entirely different game with much less room to cheat a pocket. Therefore IMHO, english is less applicable. Also, there is less congestion & the numbered balls are spoted in the same places. I have not played Snooker since college but there were times when I did use english on the shorter shots but cetainly not as much or nearly as often as in pool.
Again, I don't understand your point.
Regards,
I don't get your point when quoting me for complimenting what Dale said.
There is no one way to play pool. What's best for one will not fit another.
IMHO It is virtually impossible to put a 3 millimeter cue tip contact patch on the exact infinitely small verticle axis of a round cue ball consistently. One will be on one side or the other a good deal of the time. Is there a margin for such error? Yes, the pockets are bigger than the balls & a corresponding mis-aim can counter a mis-hit. To me that is a good deal of luck. I'd rather know what side of the ball I am going hit & plan accordingly.
Re-read what Mr. Mosconi said with regards to english, "Complete mastery of the game depends to some extent on english..." I don't know when that quote was from or to whom he was speaking but keep in mind they did not give away their secrets back in those days the way CJ is giving away his these days.
IMHO, as soon as one's stroke is reasonably straight they should start learning english & what it can do. If not, they are trying to play the game with only metric tools when many of the nuts & bolts are of the English variety. Then it is just like anything else. You better use it or you will lose it.
Snooker is an entirely different game with much less room to cheat a pocket. Therefore IMHO, english is less applicable. Also, there is less congestion & the numbered balls are spoted in the same places. I have not played Snooker since college but there were times when I did use english on the shorter shots but cetainly not as much or nearly as often as in pool.
Again, I don't understand your point.
Regards,
Pathetic Shark
Banned
Larry,
I'm glad you have a better understanding of TOI.
CJ has always relayed that the purpose of the tough of inside was to 'throw' the CB which added cut into the center of the pocket instead of the 'full hit' side of the pocket. He did not originally know how to word it in the 'new age' vernacular of 'squirt' which better fits a liquid or air as in 'jetting' them.
What did you think the purpose of the TOI was?
Regards,
Pathetic Shark
Banned
No one is allowed to say, but, as this thread is about the joys of centre ball striking, can you take your questions to one of the 8 billion TOI threads instead?
Thanks.
No offense intended but that is not what the original post stated. You even said that you also use right & left english & asked the qeustion, 'Is it just me?' Also, you state that center ball is your preference & then ask the question. 'Is it just me?'.
The thread went where it went. If you don't want answers, why ask a question.
But since you have re-stated your intention of the thread, I will do my best to let it get back on your intended purpose.
Pathetic Shark
Banned
Thank you.
You're more than welcome.
True communication can be a wonderful thing, but it's a bit difficult at times, especially in a text format.
And I will say that when I do shoot for 'centre' ball on those occasions & I make the shot & get the shape there is 'joy' in hitting the 'centre' ball.
I wish we had more Snooker tables.
Regards,
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When I started playing I really had to know centerball. All of the sticks at my school were broken and had no tips. Try running a rack with just a ferrule. It was very detrimental to my game as I am now finally able to use draw and english. Took a long time to do an L Drill. It really did help with playing the right shot speed and needing a good angle on a shot.
Playing 8 ball was great because less cue ball movement was needed. Screwing up wasnt the end of the world either because being a runout player on a ferrule was very difficult.
Sadly when I bought a cue myself I tried too hard to use spin and seriously hurt my game. I have been working hard to use the right amount of speed and spin. I agree that using spin should only be used when necessary yet I play 9 ball where much cue ball movement is needed.
Playing 8 ball was great because less cue ball movement was needed. Screwing up wasnt the end of the world either because being a runout player on a ferrule was very difficult.
Sadly when I bought a cue myself I tried too hard to use spin and seriously hurt my game. I have been working hard to use the right amount of speed and spin. I agree that using spin should only be used when necessary yet I play 9 ball where much cue ball movement is needed.
This is what Dale stated:
Quote:
Part of what originally Posted by pdcue
To have a complete game, you need to master all types of spin and
strokes.
English said:
Dale,
Well Stated,
Regards,
I said, we need a National Curriculum to teach everyone everything, and then they are on their own, kinda agreeing to Dale's last statement.
Also, you said in your respond to my reply, the magic worlds, i quote, what i think you meant, for pocketing accuracy in snooker game one must avoid all reasons to have OB go to an unintended part of pocket, other wise it is a missed ball, and that is using english!! why not apply same no english principle to pool!!
Agree 100% if english is not needed for position one should never use it. OK, CJ i know!!
Years ago, I played my best pool on tight 9 footers playing mostly center ball and using a super hard Water Buffalo tip. Controlled whitey mostly with speed. Wish I could get back into that habit.
Thanks for quoting from this book. Please also quote Mosconi in that book about how to adjust the aim when using english. I would, but can't find my copy. It's very interesting.
When I need to hit along the vertical axis of the CB, I like to hit at the sweet spot unless I need to stun the CB. This helps prevent the CB from sliding then rolling.
I've been playing 14.1 only lately. Two things that really matter are CB control and angles. Angles play a big role on what needs to be to done and what can be done with the CB.
Another thing with 14.1 that is missing from the other games is using natural shape. Because it is any ball in any pocket (sound so easy huh) and there are not any restrictions on what ball you can hit, there is alot of opportunities to use natural shape and not be forced to move the CB around the table using power and lots of spin.
Using the sweet spot and the right angle off the OB or rail, I can move the CB around the table with ease. It is not always the same in 9 ball. There, it is harder to get the same types of angles on the OB as you can in 14.1.
When I play 8 ball or 9 ball, I use more spin then sweet spot at times then in 14.1 in order to get shape on the next shot.
Even if your game of preference is xxx, there is something to be learned from playing other games. I've yet had to go two rails to hit a OB n 14.1 as I have had to do when playing 9 ball and some plays a safe on me that requires the two rails.
Since alot of shots in 14.1 are rather in the low end of my speed range, any spin will affect the CB/OB hit. Using just the sweet spot, the angle off the OB or rail remain consistent and predictable for me.
I've been playing 14.1 only lately. Two things that really matter are CB control and angles. Angles play a big role on what needs to be to done and what can be done with the CB.
Another thing with 14.1 that is missing from the other games is using natural shape. Because it is any ball in any pocket (sound so easy huh) and there are not any restrictions on what ball you can hit, there is alot of opportunities to use natural shape and not be forced to move the CB around the table using power and lots of spin.
Using the sweet spot and the right angle off the OB or rail, I can move the CB around the table with ease. It is not always the same in 9 ball. There, it is harder to get the same types of angles on the OB as you can in 14.1.
When I play 8 ball or 9 ball, I use more spin then sweet spot at times then in 14.1 in order to get shape on the next shot.
Even if your game of preference is xxx, there is something to be learned from playing other games. I've yet had to go two rails to hit a OB n 14.1 as I have had to do when playing 9 ball and some plays a safe on me that requires the two rails.
Since alot of shots in 14.1 are rather in the low end of my speed range, any spin will affect the CB/OB hit. Using just the sweet spot, the angle off the OB or rail remain consistent and predictable for me.
Mr. Naji,
Since we are not allowed to discuss anything but centre CB in this thread, check your PMs.
Best Regards,