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apple03

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Hi,

sometimes I feel that moving my hip (to the left or right) makes the swinging feel better. What does the hip have to do with that?

Furthermore I try to use every time the same stance to build consistency.. Is this a good idea? But when playing good my stance widens or shortens up automatically.. so should I forget that with same stance?

Thanks for your help!
 
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apple03 said:
Hi,

sometimes I feel that moving my hip (to the left or right) makes the swinging feel better. What does the hip have to do with that?

Furthermore I try to use every time the same stance to build consistency.. Is this a good idea? But when playing good my stance widens or shortens up automatically.. so should I forget that with same stance?

Thanks for your help!
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I have had students that were swinging their cue outwards and back in to get around their hip. They must have sensed it was there. With a slight change in their stance, the issue went away and a straighter stroke was developed.

I see this also with someone who has gained significant weight and now has to get around their gut. A stance modification can aid with this so that the body does not get in the way of the cue.
 
dr9ball said:
I have had students that were swinging their cue outwards and back in to get around their hip. They must have sensed it was there. With a slight change in their stance, the issue went away and a straighter stroke was developed.

I see this also with someone who has gained significant weight and now has to get around their gut. A stance modification can aid with this so that the body does not get in the way of the cue.
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Hi, thank you for your answer. My hip or gut is not blocking me from swinging straight backwards. It's more like that sometimes the swinging feels extreme comfortable so that I don't need any muscles at all..
When swinging I grip the cue light... Sometimes it feels like I would swing back with almost no weight and sometimes the backswing feels heavier..
 
The root cause may not be the hip. Moving the hip may have gotten other parts of your body (such as your back shoulder) better aligned to make a comfortable, straight stroke. You may have just been focusing or noticed the hip more.
 
Depends. If you are shooting mainly "soft and softer" shots, and they are working - the hip doesn't matter.

It can get in the way on higher speed strokes, causing unconscious adjustments and adding side spin to the cue ball.

When I have a student with the hip too close to the stick in normal stroke, I basically have them swing their butt around a few inches. This leaves the arm slightly out and away from the body.

Sometimes hip-shift helps the player focus attention on hanging the stick straight down from the elbow in order to get a consistent pendulum swing.
 
So what should I do to get always into the same stance with the same alignment.. same hip direction? As I said before, I sometimes widen or shorten the stance... I want build consistency.. can you give me tips for that?
 
Along those lines, sometimes I feel that my stroke is better when I move my hips a little more "closed" (baseball analogy) rather than to have them more square to the table. I don't use a snooker stance, so does this make sense?
 
effect how your stroke is transferring speed and spin to the cue ball

apple03 said:
So what should I do to get always into the same stance with the same alignment.. same hip direction? As I said before, I sometimes widen or shorten the stance... I want build consistency.. can you give me tips for that?
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I keep my right hand on my right hip so I have a way to measure distance from the cue ball. Creating the same distance from my hip to the cue ball in the pre shot routine has been an important factor in my own game.

When the cue ball is a different distance from your eyes and body it gives you a different visual perception and will effect how your stroke is transferring speed and spin to the cue ball.

I show this in detail on my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' video if you're interested.

'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
 
apple03 said:
Hi,

sometimes I feel that moving my hip (to the left or right) makes the swinging feel better. What does the hip have to do with that?

Furthermore I try to use every time the same stance to build consistency.. Is this a good idea? But when playing good my stance widens or shortens up automatically.. so should I forget that with same stance?

Thanks for your help!
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You should not be moving your hip. You should position your feet so your hip is in a place that works for you.
 
thanks for your help!

CJ Wiley said:
I keep my right hand on my right hip so I have a way to measure distance from the cue ball. Creating the same distance from my hip to the cue ball in the pre shot routine has been an important factor in my own game.

When the cue ball is a different distance from your eyes and body it gives you a different visual perception and will effect how your stroke is transferring speed and spin to the cue ball.
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In my pre shout routine I stand sideways to the shot and when I go down I make most of the time one step back...
I see what you are trying to tell me.. I think I'm doing this already unconcious..

So when standing sideways to the shot I put my right hand next to the right side of the hip. Should the cue tip be in front of the cue ball, behind or above?
Remember that I make a step back when going into the stance...


>FranCrimi:

:) yeah I know.. but I'm having trouble to find out what's perfect for me
 
apple03 said:
thanks for your help!



In my pre shout routine I stand sideways to the shot and when I go down I make most of the time one step back...
I see what you are trying to tell me.. I think I'm doing this already unconcious..

So when standing sideways to the shot I put my right hand next to the right side of the hip. Should the cue tip be in front of the cue ball, behind or above?
Remember that I make a step back when going into the stance...


>FranCrimi:

:) yeah I know.. but I'm having trouble to find out what's perfect for me
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Sorry, but I disagree. I don't think you know. I'm going to be frank with you. You don't have the slightest idea about stance based on your posts so far. I suggest that you do some research. There's plenty of it out there. Stance can be complicated. It depends on a lot of factors.

I think that if you get yourself more educated about stance, you can ask more specific questions and you will get answers that will bring you closer to where you need to be.

Do a search here. There are plenty of threads on the topic. Read a book. Do something to educate yourself a bit. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I'm trying to help you.
 
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FranCrimi said:
Sorry, but I disagree. I don't think you know. I'm going to be frank with you. You don't have the slightest idea about stance based on your posts so far. I suggest that you do some research. There's plenty of it out there. Stance can be complicated. It depends on a lot of factors.

I think that if you get yourself more educated about stance, you can ask more specific questions and you will get answers that will bring you closer to where you need to be.

Do a search here. There are plenty of threads on the topic. Read a book. Do something to educate yourself a bit. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I'm trying to help you.
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No problem! I appreciate your support. I'm working on my stance playing one handed jacked up... I don't know what is really good to get good information about the stance.. Most books cover this topic more superficial in my eyes.

What I meant with "having trouble to find out whats best for me" is that sometimes my stroke feels really good when I stay more close with almost stretched legs.. sometimes a wider stance feels better..
 
Consider that varying hip position may affect not only your stroke motion but your head alignment/aiming.

Also, the hip can be in motion on a power break stroke. I sometimes move my hip from my typical stroke stance position to begin a break stroke, too.
 
Ok, thanks for your information so far!

I have a couple of questions regarding the stance:

1) Do we really aim with our feet by placing the back foot into the stroking line?

2) Should I pay attention to get always into the same stance? My body straightens or bends the legs automatically.

3) How about my arm? I noticed that pro's vary their arm position. Sometimes they play with a straight arm and sometimes with a bent one...
How should the arm feel? Low weight on it?
 
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