Dude... Can I make a suggestion ?
Instead of simply complaining, how 'bout you tell a little more of the story ?
Lose the attitude while you're at it...
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Dude... Can I make a suggestion ?
Instead of simply complaining, how 'bout you tell a little more of the story ?
Lose the attitude while you're at it...
While we're at it let's remember that ANY cue made of wood is capable of warping. I'd be willing to bet that there have been warping issues with every brand of cue made (as long as there has been a generous amount of them built, say 1,000), from cheap Asian import cues to Southwests/Szambotis/Tascarellas, etc.
A few warped cues out of thousands built does NOT represent a problem with that particular cuemaker, imo. It's going to happen. I've read posts/threads about many experiences people have had with their cues warping on this forum, and they haven't always been directed at cheap cues.
FWIW to the OP: I've owned a few Players cues. They play decently for what you pay for them (if you don't mind decals). I still own one Plain Jane with a piloted joint/Moori medium tip that has a hit that I couldn't distinguish from my customs or my Jacoby's if I was blindfolded. I also have an HXT shaft that I purchased just to couple up with a 31" Jacoby butt that I had made several years ago, and it plays fine (a tad stiffer than I prefer, but that could be remedied with a tip change). I will keep the ones that I have. The Players cues that I eventually sold were all straight, in great condition, and played well when I sold them after several years of ownership.
There's no reason to feel bad for owning and playing with a Players cue. On the contrary, you should be elated that you can accomplish what others seek to do by purchasing cues worth hundreds more (even thousands).
Maniac
I have an older Joss 2020 cue (circa 2000) and an older McDermott D-6 cue (circa 1988 IIRC). My McDermott predates their warranty. I do have a slight roll in the shaft, but I bought it that way. The Joss is perfectly straight still. Both both brand new at release. Both are still as straight as they came. Both are production cues.
It sucks they don't have a warranty on warpage.
Back to OP. If I were to get a players, it would be in either their Exotic wood series or their HXT exotics. Those look nice, but a bit pricier.
becasue he clearly doesnt have a story, an for the record there website clearly states doesnt cover warpage.. an what your revealing is your solid proof ignorance to slander an run down a company, for something they clearly make obvious.. please dont try to argue you my point because you clearly stated they wouldnt honor there wattanty.. LOL THERE IS NO WARRANTY TO WARPAGE
In 1994 they had no disclaimer about a warped cue. I'm not talking shaft warping. The joint would wobble up and down 1/2" if you rolled the butt on the table. I sent it to Joss Cue company. They called and said they could not "adjust" the cue to remove the warp, but could replace the butt with one similar for $215. I told them it wasn't a very good offer on a brand new cue and they said it was the best they could do.
If you paid $575 for a new Joss and this happened to you, you would expect a manufacturing defect to be honored. They should be ashamed of themselves. Am I bitter over this? Yes, $575 worth of bitterness.
If you paid $575 for a new Joss and this happened to you, you would expect a manufacturing defect to be honored. They should be ashamed of themselves. Am I bitter over this? Yes, $575 worth of bitterness.
Some reasons for a custom cue instead of a cheap import would be,
(Considering it is a good cue maker)
1). The wood is turned at a much slower rate, allowing the wood to age as it gets turned into smaller diameters over a much longer time. This helps alleviate warpage.
2). You are able to decide where you want the balance point to be.
3). You are able to decide more specifically how you want the cue weighted.
4). You are able to decide your own design for the cue.
5). You are able to decide the diameter of the shafts more specifically.
6). The taper of the shafts.
7). The taper of the butt.
8). How large in diameter the butt of the cue is, and at what points.
There is other things, but you can get the point. For cue collecting, I can see sometimes buying second hand, but for playing cues, I have always went directly to a cue maker for what I want. Actually if I were collecting a lot, I would go directly to the cue-maker as it is cheaper and you get what you want. Unless they are unobtainable anymore obviously. But as long as you are not hung up on names, there is quite a few great cue makers out there. The world is not hurting for good cue makers.
(Considering it is a good cue maker)
1). The wood is turned at a much slower rate, allowing the wood to age as it gets turned into smaller diameters over a much longer time. This helps alleviate warpage.
2). You are able to decide where you want the balance point to be.
3). You are able to decide more specifically how you want the cue weighted.
4). You are able to decide your own design for the cue.
5). You are able to decide the diameter of the shafts more specifically.
6). The taper of the shafts.
7). The taper of the butt.
8). How large in diameter the butt of the cue is, and at what points.
There is other things, but you can get the point. For cue collecting, I can see sometimes buying second hand, but for playing cues, I have always went directly to a cue maker for what I want. Actually if I were collecting a lot, I would go directly to the cue-maker as it is cheaper and you get what you want. Unless they are unobtainable anymore obviously. But as long as you are not hung up on names, there is quite a few great cue makers out there. The world is not hurting for good cue makers.
I'm with you on this.Joss makes a solid hitting cue but warping has been an issue to the majority I've ever
had or seen.Getting Joss to fix it is pointless cause its always the fault
of the customer not taking proper care of it.
As far as Players cues,they've come along way and come out of the same
factory as Lucasi.My buddy has ordered literally hundreds for his store over the past few years and said 95% of them are as straight as an arrow
and sell like hotcakes.
I have a $52.00 sneaky players cue and have won hundreds of tournaments and thousands of dollars with it, I wouldn't shoot any better if I played with a Samboti, as long as you can play position on your next ball it really doesn't matter what kind of cue you have , you only really need a well shaped tip in my opinion.
David Harcrow
Agreed.
When the cue snobs like to throw out that your cheap import cue will be a POS in a year or two I can't help but think that if I can get two years playing out of $52, then I got just as much cue as one would get from a fancy custom that at $26/year would have to serve me for close to 100 years to equal the value.
It's a topic that is a sore spot for many persons, me not being one of them. I shoot with customs and cheap import cues and find them all satisfactory for achieving my goals in pool.
Maniac
picked up an hxt-20 a few months ago.. i constantly get compliments on it, (its a unique looking stick) even from cue snobs they are like wow nice cue what is it? "oh its a players 
" i tell em its low deflect and has a stock kamui tip and they wanna try it out... all of the sudden they say thats' a great cue, and im like dude its not the cue its the player..
" i tell em its low deflect and has a stock kamui tip and they wanna try it out... all of the sudden they say thats' a great cue, and im like dude its not the cue its the player..
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picked up an hxt-20 a few months ago.. i constantly get compliments on it, even from cue snobs that are like wow nice cue what is it? "oh its a players
Yep.
And, that's a nice looking cue. It reminds me of the older Meucci cues, circa 1992-ish).
Sticks are about decoration and finish. It's like furniture from Target or a custom furniture maker. They both serve the same purpose and do it well. It's a matter of how well you want it made, x-number of finishes, multiple sandings between coats, etc. and how well it looks, and pride of ownership.
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Man I couldnt agree more with you. I have been playing for 25+ years and have shot with everything from a WalMart Special with a screw on Tip to a Schon. I have found what its all about is the cue feels good to you when you play with it. I have pulled a 20 dollar off the wall and beaten guys with 3K dollar customs as well as had my ass handed to me by a player with a cheap import sneaky. Playability in a cue has nothing to do with the brand of the cue or the cuemaker its all in what feels right to the individual playing with it . So if it fits your game play with it proudly
