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we started the new scoring system last night and i must say its pretty interesting.

it definitly takes some strategy planning your matchups , especially when you are playing double jeapordy.

last night we had just started our 4 th 8 ball match and it was my turn to throw the 4 th 9 ball match. i started to throw my self but looking at the 8 ball score i saw we were down 6-3 so far. i had a good feeling we would win the 4th 8 ball match and that the other team would throw their remaining 5 for the 5 th match. i decided to save my self for the remaining 8 ball match and threw my 3 for 9 ball hopong they would counter with a 3 and i would throw my 8 for the last 9 ball match. sure enough it worked that way.

we won the 4th 8 ball 2-1 so we were down 7-5 now. well sure enough they threw their 5 and i countered with me,a 5. i knew if i shut him out we would win 8-7. fortunately i was able to shut him out 4-0 and we won 8 ball, 8-7.

my 3 won the 4th 9 ball game and my 8 won the last 9 ball against their 5 by 18-2 giving us a win by a score of 59-41.

this new scoring system definately makes you play your best if you want to win. under the old system it would not matter if i won my match 4-0 or 4-3 a win is a win.

i can see where this system could help prevent sandbagging if your team needs the points. here if you need 3 points you can not run up the innings winning 4-3 and still have a win. you gotta shut your opponent down.

i wish i had more time to adjust to it before 8 ball tri cups this weekend. i think there were a couple of divisions using this system on a trial basis last session, they got the jump on me but i am a fast learner.:thumbup:
 
Have you started your summer session yet, or are you all still in your spring session?
You'll still be running the old system at your tri cup, won't you
 
Yeah we use this out in my division. I'm not sure how it was before because its my first season. In 9-ball we don't, 8-ball we do and I'm not sure about double jeopardy as I played 8 one night and 9 another.

I think its a bit challenging but one thing I can't get used to with the scoring is the points on 9-ball. I finished the season, our team took 1st ( not going to tri-cup because we aren't going back, most of our team rode out the season and quit.) I play a 9-ball tourney on Sundays where its a race to 1 under your assigned handicap. Basically somebody plays you or watches you play. Small pot, but still fun.

One of my 8 ball teams has the tri-cup on the 2nd so we'll see how we do. Odd thing for me is we play on 9-foot tables and the tri-cup, city and Vegas is all bar boxes. Oh well. ;)
 
our summer session started last night. i do not know what system we will use this weekend. i hope its the old system where you just have to win 3 outa 5. i think it is too soon to use the new system in an important tournament like this until people get used to it.

i do not think one week is enough time , do you ?
 
I think since you qualified using the old system it's likely thats' what you be scoring with at the tri cup. I think in Las Vegas they'll still be scoring a race to 3, but next year....
For you guys it shouldn't matter anyway. We should plan an AZB night somewhere, without pool tables. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to hold my cue and 2 drinks at the same time, I must be getting old
 
desertshark said:
Yeah we use this out in my division. I'm not sure how it was before because its my first season. In 9-ball we don't, 8-ball we do and I'm not sure about double jeopardy as I played 8 one night and 9 another.

I think its a bit challenging but one thing I can't get used to with the scoring is the points on 9-ball. I finished the season, our team took 1st ( not going to tri-cup because we aren't going back, most of our team rode out the season and quit.) I play a 9-ball tourney on Sundays where its a race to 1 under your assigned handicap. Basically somebody plays you or watches you play. Small pot, but still fun.

One of my 8 ball teams has the tri-cup on the 2nd so we'll see how we do. Odd thing for me is we play on 9-foot tables and the tri-cup, city and Vegas is all bar boxes. Oh well. ;)
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going from bar boxes to 9's and back messes your game up, at least it does mine.

i honestly think that is why i went from a 6 back down to a 5 last year. last year our sunday night division tripled from 8 teams to 12. we do not have enough barboxes for all the teams so every week 8 teams play on barboxes and 4 on the 9's. every week 4 different teams rotate on the 9s.

on the barboxes we usually finish around ten. on the 9's teams usually finish around 11;30 or 12;00.

nothing like watching 2 s/l 2's fighting it out for about 35-40 innings on the 9's .:eek:
 
Celophanewrap said:
I think since you qualified using the old system it's likely thats' what you be scoring with at the tri cup. I think in Las Vegas they'll still be scoring a race to 3, but next year....
For you guys it shouldn't matter anyway. We should plan an AZB night somewhere, without pool tables. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to hold my cue and 2 drinks at the same time, I must be getting old
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if i ever make it to vegas i would love to have an azb night with you. going on my 3rd year in apa and the closest i got to going to vegas was last year finishing 2nd at the singles regionals going undefeated all the way to the finals and losing hill-hill.

going the singles route has always been my best chance because my team has always sucked, until now. i was always the best playe, a 5.

it took a year to talk a master player to join my team 2 sessions ago 6 months talking to get the best 5 in the league to join last session. i have a 4 who shoots like a 6 but thinks like a 2, he also has no ides what cue ball control means. gotta 3 who makes helacious banks but misses the easiest straight in shot you can imagine. my gf who is a 3 that shoots like a 4 one week and a 2 the next. just lost my good shooting 2, she is quitting pool period.

i did qualify for the napa nationals being held during the southern classic but its only 45 minutes from my house. its going to be a busy june for me. 9 ball cities, scotch doubles cities, 8 ball cities " if we do good next weekend, and last but not least, napa nationals.

hope to meet some fellow az;ers there.
 
I have been in the league for 20+ yrs, and IMHO I feel this is a great way to make every persons decision count. Even the low ranked players make a huge diffrence. I am a 6 and every time I go out, I have a 50/50 chance against my opponent, which is usually a 6 or 7. Now, with this new system, my strategy is a major factor.
 
We start with the new system in two weeks, and I'm curious to see how it plays out.

Its gonna be funny watching the other teams try to understand it, the first couple of weeks.
 
We used the new system this past spring session. Took some time to get used to, I like it.
 
whammo57 said:
Are there any specific strategies that are important..... besides winning???

Kim
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Yes under the new system your team could win 3 out of the 5 matches and still lose the overall match.

Example:

Team A wins 1st match 3-0
Team A wins 2nd match 3-0
Team B wins 3rd match 2-1
Team B wins 4th match 2-1
Team B wins 5th match 2-1

Even though Team B won 3 out of the 5, the over all score is Team A 9 Team B 6.
 
Indiana Skinny said:
Yes under the new system your team could win 3 out of the 5 matches and still lose the overall match.

Example:

Team A wins 1st match 3-0
Team A wins 2nd match 3-0
Team B wins 3rd match 2-1
Team B wins 4th match 2-1
Team B wins 5th match 2-1

Even though Team B won 3 out of the 5, the over all score is Team A 9 Team B 6.
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That does seem less than fair at first, on the other hand in terms of overall games won,
team A probably wrecked team B even though they lost 3 out of 5 sets.

Say it's a bunch of 5's and a 3 vs. an identical team.
4 games - 0
4 games - 0
3 games - 4 games
3 games - 4 games
1 game - 2 games


Team A total won games: 15
Team B total won games: 10

To me that says that team A deserves the win.
 
We haven't started using it yet but I have contemplated the impact of the new system quite a bit. A few significant changes that I can forsee - is the concept of "burning" a higher ranked player being a strategically intelligent move. If a SL2 is used on a SL6 or SL7 and gets skunked - that is not going to be easy to overcome.

In fact any player suspect to getting swept is going to become less valuable. Right now those players are valuable because they give freedom for making numbers. I think there will be less SL2s kept on teams and as a result less SL7s will be able to play unless multiple SL3s are available. The good SL3 will become an even more critical component of a good team.
 
Indiana Skinny said:
Yes under the new system your team could win 3 out of the 5 matches and still lose the overall match.

Example:

Team A wins 1st match 3-0
Team A wins 2nd match 3-0
Team B wins 3rd match 2-1
Team B wins 4th match 2-1
Team B wins 5th match 2-1

Even though Team B won 3 out of the 5, the over all score is Team A 9 Team B 6.
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My thoughts ecactly. Our team was tied 2_2 under the old system my winning the lasy matcjwould give us tje win. Unde the system I had to shut out my opponent for us to win by 1 point.it puts a lot of pressure on you.
 
From an occaional APA player ( let's just say I'm not a fan), I do like this new system.

Even ifyou are down, you still have a chance at the end, and gonna make it harder for the sandbaggers... cause that one match you lost could be the difference between winning and losing... this is a start in the right direction.... :thumbup:
 
ChicagoRJ said:
From an occaional APA player ( let's just say I'm not a fan), I do like this new system.

Even ifyou are down, you still have a chance at the end, and gonna make it harder for the sandbaggers... cause that one match you lost could be the difference between winning and losing... this is a start in the right direction.... :thumbup:
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I agree. A few weeks ago, I was playing someone who is much better than I am. I got the distinct feeling that he was missing shots that he ordinarily wouldn't have. I was one ball away from making it a hill-hill match....so I wonder if he would have played the same under the new system. It's interesting to think about, at least.
 
I'll be curious to see more thoughts on strategy as people gain experience with the new system. Having not tried it, I still think I'll like it for multiple reasons.

1. It will cut down on sandbagging, though to an unknown extent...maybe a little, maybe a lot. There's one team in particular that I'm expecting to have a tough time maintaining their historical record of managing handicaps while still taking first in the regular season (and yes, my team beat them this time around, via a few players rising up and beating the odds!).

2. It should cut down on throwing 2s and 3s at 7s. Good 4s will continue to be a strong play against a 7: if I understand things correctly, if the 4 gets to 1 then her team gets 2 points. I like playing 4s least, so I guess this is a downside for me (but good for 4s).

3. Sometimes I'm a little mentally lazy and don't really bear down like I should for the first game or two. This should improve my focus.

One concern is that there are fair number of pretty weak 7s out there (at least, there are where I play, in MD/VA/DC). They can stay close enough to 50% to not drop, but that's it. It's already a pretty big hit to a team to carry the weak 7, because of the 23 point cap. In the new system, those same 7s could easily stay around 50%, but (1) rarely shut-out their opponents and (2) often get shut out or fail to get the the hill. In other words, I think the new system will magnify the drag that weak 7s impose on a team.

I wonder if the APA is also making any adjustments to the handicap system. For example, incorporating match points won per inning shot.

Cory
 
We just started last night and it did seem a little strange.

4-4 match, we won 3-0 for 3-0
4-5 match, we lost 4-0 for 0-3
7-6 match, we won 5-1 for 2-0
4-5 match, we lost 2-4 for 1-2
3-2 match, we won 3-1 for 2-1

So, overall we won 3-2 and the points were 8-6.

I found myself already having to consider the points thing in my first or second rack. I wanted to try a shot on the 8, but had to take into account the whole points thing and didn't want to give up any more than I had to.

I agree with Corey that there won't be as many sacrificial lambs being thrown. Although, I worry about the bad 2s and 3s feeling like they're hurting their teams more than helping.
 
Banks said:
We just started last night and it did seem a little strange.

4-4 match, we won 3-0 for 3-0
4-5 match, we lost 4-0 for 0-3
7-6 match, we won 5-1 for 2-0
4-5 match, we lost 2-4 for 1-2
3-2 match, we won 3-1 for 2-1

So, overall we won 3-2 and the points were 8-6.

I found myself already having to consider the points thing in my first or second rack. I wanted to try a shot on the 8, but had to take into account the whole points thing and didn't want to give up any more than I had to.

I agree with Corey that there won't be as many sacrificial lambs being thrown. Although, I worry about the bad 2s and 3s feeling like they're hurting their teams more than helping.
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If the 2s and 3s aren't being sacrificed to 6s and 7s then they'll more or less have to end up playing other lower-ranked players. So it could work out ok for them too, with the possible exception of a very weak 2 that is likely to be swept by most 2s and 3s.

My hypothesis is that captains will try to avoid their players being shut out, and this will tend to make them put their players up against others with a similar handicap. If it works out that way, I think that would be a good thing.
 
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