(APA) What's the worst beating put in an SL4 in a 9-ball match?

I'm a S/L 9 in 9 ball. My two best were 75-11 vs a 7, and 75-6 vs a 4. You may notice that both of these are 1 ball short of a 20-0 win (grr....that is never gonna happen lol).

In a mini tourney in Vegas this year, I played 3 6's in a row. I think 6's need 40 balls in the minis. The 3 6's didn't get 40 between the three of them haha! I think it was like 21, 8, and 7 or something.

Just the other night my good friend destroyed me in a practice match 31-27. Shes a 4. She ran out my break, made a 1-9 combo, and broke and ran. This girl is gonna BE something!

KMRUNOUT
 
The 20-0 beatdowns are not as impressive to me as the huge comeback wins ive seen. At singles nationals Alex Olinger was down something like 70-20 against David Rowell (very good player) and won. He was down another match 62-12 and won. And was down yet another match 67-24 and won. This was the year he won it all. Those last two scores were known to me because I was the one he did it too. Not only did the guy run 4-5 racks in all those matches but against me he finally missed on a 7, the balls roll all around and the cueball ends up snug against the 9 in the middle of the table, 7 on the other side of the table. Brutal

Ive seen a bunch of 20-0 matches. Sometimes they are impressive with the winner running out from everywhere and sometimes they are very ugly with everything going wrong for the loser and the winner can do no wrong.
 
POOLGODBEWITHME said:
Yep, I hate the no push out rule. It's like your being punished for making a ball on the break if you get hooked. In the apa masters you can push though, figure that out. I guess it would be too confusing for the lower skill levels.
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That's what coaches are for in the APA. On top of that, the explanation of rules does not constitute having to use a time-out, so why couldn't the "lower skill level" players get coached on this rule during the match? It's not as if you're going to have to tell them EVERY time the situation comes into play. They'll have an understanding of it before too many explanations. Lower skill levels does NOT equate to lower intelligence. I've seen the arguments on this subject here on AZB multiple times over the years, and the ones that don't want the push-out in handicapped APA 9-ball always argue as if the "lower skill level" players just couldn't understand the rule, as if they were stupid or something because they lack the skills to shoot good pool. I have never understood this thinking. I am of the opinion that the non push-out rule can hurt the lower skill level player just as much as help them. If a SL2 or SL3 (for instance) plays a SL8 or SL9 and the higher skilled player breaks dry but leaves the lower skilled player hooked and they miss the kick, they easily can lose this whole rack and possibly be down 30 balls to none in a hurry.

You are correct in that APA Masters does allow the push-out and this is the only APA format (non handicapped) that I choose to play in.

Maniac
 
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Had a good buddy of mine move up to an 8 in 9 ball and he barked at me while I was practicing with the wifey so I told him let's do a league race for fun to which of course he said I have no shot. I am a 7 and to be fair we bumped him down to a 7 to make it an even 55-55 race. I beat him 55-1 and then the next morning sent him this picture since I supposedly had NO SHOT to win lol.

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Mr Uwate "Ive seen a bunch of 20-0 matches. Sometimes they are impressive with the winner running out from everywhere and sometimes they are very ugly with everything going wrong for the loser and the winner can do no wrong.[/QUOTE]"

I actually watched you torture a 7 in a mini back at the 2010 team 9 ball 50whatever to single digits. I was an 8 back then and kept thinking there is no way the other guy wasnt going to get to 10. You sir, shoot some sporty pool. Love to face you in mini for APA or whatever BCA offers (never been before)
 
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Once we heard of the existence of a Skunk patch my team went for it. My team-mate SL 5 managed to run a shutout on a SL 8 (38 to 8).

Best looking patch ever!
 

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KMRUNOUT said:
I'm a S/L 9 in 9 ball. My two best were 75-11 vs a 7, and 75-6 vs a 4. You may notice that both of these are 1 ball short of a 20-0 win (grr....that is never gonna happen lol).

In a mini tourney in Vegas this year, I played 3 6's in a row. I think 6's need 40 balls in the minis. The 3 6's didn't get 40 between the three of them haha! I think it was like 21, 8, and 7 or something.

Just the other night my good friend destroyed me in a practice match 31-27. Shes a 4. She ran out my break, made a 1-9 combo, and broke and ran. This girl is gonna BE something!

KMRUNOUT
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you guys have some tough frigging fours lol. A four in our room doesn't run out.
Maybe once a season. Not twice a set.
 
I Think the general feeling is that an 8 or 9 is going to kick out easier and a 1 through say 4 is going to be lucky to hit a ball giving the the high level player and easy run out more times then not. I mean if i'm playing say a 2 or 3 and I get shape on the one but no good way from that spot to get to my next ball a good safe would be to just push out. more times then not there going to give me ball in hand and I'll be golden.


Maniac said:
That's what coaches are for in the APA. On top of that, the explanation of rules does not constitute having to use a time-out, so why couldn't the "lower skill level" players get coached on this rule during the match? It's not as if you're going to have to tell them EVERY time the situation comes into play. They'll have an understanding of it before too many explanations. Lower skill levels does NOT equate to lower intelligence. I've seen the arguments on this subject here on AZB multiple times over the years, and the ones that don't want the push-out in handicapped APA 9-ball always argue as if the "lower skill level" players just couldn't understand the rule, as if they were stupid or something because they lack the skills to shoot good pool. I have never understood this thinking. I am of the opinion that the non push-out rule can hurt the lower skill level player just as much as help them. If a SL2 or SL3 (for instance) plays a SL8 or SL9 and the higher skilled player breaks dry but leaves the lower skilled player hooked and they miss the kick, they easily can lose this whole rack and possibly be down 30 balls to none in a hurry.

You are correct in that APA Masters does allow the push-out and this is the only APA format (non handicapped) that I choose to play in.

Maniac
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oh and whoever posted they had a 4 running racks is either bs'ing or there sandbagging!! no way a four should be running multiple racks in the same set.
 
A few months ago I beat another SL9 75-5 in 4 innings, I ran 56 balls in a row at one point. That was my best match ever until last Thursday I beat someone in a tournament 7-0, I won the flip and broke and ran 7. Lets see how long it's gonna take me to do that again lol
 
A 4 on my team was playing a 6, I think. She bnr the first rack and got to the 8 on the next.. probably would've been out if the 9 hadn't been bumped to partially block it. She had been a 5 before at least 6 months or more prior, as she was a 4 since I've been on the team. She went back up to a 5 right after that performance and has stayed there since. It was a pretty good whoopin put on that 6, though. :)
 
I beat a SL2, 75-0 in 6 innings. I felt bad for the guy. But the worst beating I got was from a good friend of mine and also a sl9. He beat me 75-15. If you could only push out!!!!
 
trob said:
I Think the general feeling is that an 8 or 9 is going to kick out easier and a 1 through say 4 is going to be lucky to hit a ball giving the the high level player and easy run out more times then not.
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That was my point in my last post. This scenario you mention is where coaching comes into play. Get the best player (or certainly the best "kicker") on this team to coach the lower skill level player on where/how to kick at it. It's very possible for the high level player to NOT get BIH, nor run out.

IMHO, there are more scenarios existing as to why there should be a push-out in APA 9-ball as opposed to why there should not be one.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread with the push-out posts :sorry:!!!

Maniac
 
lorider said:
i had been contemplating starting a thread about come from behind victories, i think what i am about to post will fit in with the theme of this thread.
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If/when you start this thread, I have a decent story to post in it.

Maniac
 
JuicyGirl said:
Once we heard of the existence of a Skunk patch my team went for it. My team-mate SL 5 managed to run a shutout on a SL 8 (38 to 8).

Best looking patch ever!
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I have that patch and it is one of my favorites too (but not so much for the shutout, but because of how well I played that night)!!!

Maniac (doesn't get in the zone often enough)
 
Dave,
Perhaps you haven't given this much thought. The reason for the no push out in APA is to prevent 9's from running a bunch of racks or whole sets. Plenty of 9's are A players or better. I've run 52 balls before. The point is that the push out essentially doesn't exist for low skill levels, even if it were allowed. This rule more than anything else motivated me to develop my control on my break. You really need to control the cue ball and play position on the 1. the top skill levels *can* learn to do this, but some prefer to think they shouldn't have to and then dismiss the APA as "not real 9 ball". Play whatever league or game makes you happy. But understand that there are actually pretty good reasons for the no push out in APA. Its up to you whether you choose to understand them and benefit from them.

KMRUNOUT
 
CreeDo said:
you guys have some tough frigging fours lol. A four in our room doesn't run out.
Maybe once a season. Not twice a set.
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She's actually only broke and ran a few times ever. She has only been playing 2 years and got good faster than her handicap can keep up. She will probably be a 5 any day, and I'm sure she won't stop there.

KMRUNOUT
 
seriously man a 2 through 4 in my area is just trying to make balls. Trying to teach someone to kick a ball whos still trying to learn the basics is a bit much.

Maniac said:
That was my point in my last post. This scenario you mention is where coaching comes into play. Get the best player (or certainly the best "kicker") on this team to coach the lower skill level player on where/how to kick at it. It's very possible for the high level player to NOT get BIH, nor run out.

IMHO, there are more scenarios existing as to why there should be a push-out in APA 9-ball as opposed to why there should not be one.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread with the push-out posts :sorry:!!!

Maniac
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trob said:
seriously man a 2 through 4 in my area is just trying to make balls. Trying to teach someone to kick a ball whos still trying to learn the basics is a bit much.
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Around here, a good percentage of the 4's will see and attempt kick shots, but 2's and 3's will be a coached decision almost every time.
 
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