Conflicting reports regarding BB

[SJDinPHX]

Jam..

When I got to "need regularity" in your post the first thing that popped into my head was "Ex-lax"...Gotta be careful with that stuff or you will S**T all over yourself just like Bonus Ball did last night..

Don

Don, I don't think displaying this kind of crude negativity, is going to further your agenda ! (or any other 'nay-sayer'.)

That being said, guy's like JCIN, Neil, JDHogg, Slomoholic, and MANY others, (including myself) have stated their 'anti-BB case' with reality, and (sometimes polite) conviction !...I have some very good friends, and player's (Fast Lenny, OTR streaming, for one) who are heavily invested, time wise, in the success of BB.. I felt just terrible for them, that their first event, could hardly have gone any worse ! (ie. multiple "train wreck")

The powers that be, in BB, have continued to make VERY flawed decisions, and last night, sadly, only magnified them ! As I have stated my opinion before had they chosen a game, well known by all, like "8 ball" to make these huge investments in, they would have had a MUCH better chance of success.

Minor 'rule tweaking', (or even none at all) on "8-ball, as their choice of games, and spending 'a little of their hugh $$$$ investment on a good PR firm...would have given them at least a prayer, of succeeding.

They have a beautiful new arena, some good concepts. But, also a strong, mis-guided desire to 'cram' Bonus Ball down the public's throat..Until they throw the game of BB under the bus, (where it belongs)... and admit its MANY shortcomings, I give them zero chance of success !

Of course thats just my opinion, (and also, some REAL heavyweights in the business)...For the sake of my friends involved, I would LOVE to be proven wrong !...Like someone said, "You only get one chance to make a good first impresson" !...Bonus Ball, has had MANY chances ! (six months worth !) and they have yet, to get ONE thing right !

San Jose Dick---- Retired, but not retarded (yet)

PS..Roger (Long) old friend, say it isn't so, that you paid an entire season up front ?...Rog, I have several bridges around town, FOR SALE...very reasonable ! :thumbup:

 

[thebighurt]

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[Black-Balled]

At least you got to see something. I paid for the entire season and never got to see the first minute of last night's match. The site had already crashed by the time I tried to log on. But I'm not upset. The WPBL will get everything straightened out in due time.

Roger

And what will result from 'getting everything straightened out'? Seriously?

say they get 1/2 of last night's viewers to subscribe annually.

5000x170= $850,000
85000/52=16,346/ wk

Somebody buy some shirts, goddammit.

 

[Poolshootindon]

It's called Humor

I don't think displaying this kind of crude negativity, is going to further "your" agenda ! (or any other nay-sayer)

That being said, guy's like JCIN, Neil, JDHogg, Slomoholic, and MANY others, (including myself) have stated their 'anti-BB case' with reality, and (sometimes polite) conviction !...I have some very good friends, and player's (Fast Lenny, OTR streaming, for one) who are heavily invested, time wise, in the success of BB.. I felt just terrible for them, that their first event, could hardly have gone any worse !

The powers that be, in BB, have continued to make VERY flawed decisions, and last night, sadly, only magnified them ! As I have stated my opinion before had they chosen a game, well known by all, like "8 ball" to make these huge investments in, they would have had a MUCH better chance of success.

Minor 'rule tweaking', (or even none at all) on "8-ball, as their choice of games, and spending 'a little of their hugh $$$$ investment on a good PR firm...would have given them at least a prayer, of succeeding.

They have a beautiful new arena, some good concepts. But, also a strong, mis-guided desire to 'cram' Bonus Ball down the public's throat..Until they throw the game of BB under the bus, (where it belongs)... and admit its MANY shortcomings, I give them zero chance of success !

Of course thats just my opinion, (and some REAL heavyweights in the business) and for the sake of my friends involved, I would
LOVE to be proven wrong !...Like someone said, "You only get one chance to make a good first impresson" !...Bonus Ball, has had MANY chances ! (six months worth !)

San Jose Dick

Dick.. Sorry you didn't see the humor in it. You may not like it but others may.

Don

 

[bankoutallday]

If I had a million dollars

If I had a million dollars...like these investors did and I wanted to make money on pool the last thing I would think of would be to force some ill-conceived game on people.

No expensive studio needed.

Just start a pro 10 ball tour, with or withut players under some type of contract. Make a deal with independent casions for a cut of room and gambling action. Partner with a streamer and try to make money of that end. Run it for a year and then push hard for real sponsorship and TV money.

Nobody is buying this game as it is. If they are looking to pull in a new market they should just play 8 ball on 7 foot tables because that is what 96% of the remaining pool players are shooting anyway.

This will only get worse from here.

 

[JAM]

Everybody's talking about BB, BB, BB, BB, BB.

All we are saying is give BB a chance --> HERE

 

[Bob Jewett]

From the sound of things it has at least a little to do with the effort put in by the players. How can you not know the rules?

Maybe you haven't been around pro players much. Or you haven't noticed the "issues" they have with the rules. I've seen a lot of pro players and I'd be willing to bet that fewer than 1 in 10 of the current crop has ever read the rules. And that's for the standard games, not BB.

 

[JAM]

Maybe you haven't been around pro players much. Or you haven't noticed the "issues" they have with the rules. I've seen a lot of pro players and I'd be willing to bet that fewer than 1 in 10 of the current crop has ever read the rules. And that's for the standard games, not BB.

That is so true!. Seen it a million times: Player forfeits game because he didn't read the rules.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Not suprised

Maybe you haven't been around pro players much. Or you haven't noticed the "issues" they have with the rules. I've seen a lot of pro players and I'd be willing to bet that fewer than 1 in 10 of the current crop has ever read the rules. And that's for the standard games, not BB.

Bob.. So what are you trying to say?

Don

 

[bdorman]

Whoa Nellie. Let's not become nattering nabobs of negativism. :frown:

[Favorite quote of Spiro Agnew when referring to the media.] :wink:

We don't want to turn into an effete corps of impudent snobs.

[Another Spiro Agnew quote.] :grin-square:

Carry on. :smile:

He went to jail :wink:

 

[Houstoer]

I watched it last night. I said I would give it a chance and I did and might even do it again. My humble impressions. Screen and streaming were completely messed up. Started late, froze every two or three seconds etc. I left it on all night and it became a little more manageable after people got frustrated and signed off. I was really surprised that I actually kind of liked the game. There wasn't a whole lot of people not knowing what to do; that was very minimal IMHO. The shirts they were make it look like a big joke though. The numbers and names are WAY TO BIG which makes it look very amateurish... the arena and some of the nice touches; such as the lights lighting up with the color of the ball they have to shoot look pretty good. I actually figured the game out really quickly do to Rodney and Jeremy explaining things. They were great together in the booth and made it enjoyable to watch (if you could get past the freezing issue). I saw enough that I will give it one more chance. I was surprised the liked the game; lots of different kinds of playing here; more banks than usual; more one pocket type shots etc. Not sure how good have 3 7/8 inch pockets will work out though. Just one mans thought...

 

[JAM]

He went to jail :wink:

Plea bargain: no contest. :wink:

 

[Palmerfan]

8 Ball

Don, I don't think displaying this kind of crude negativity, is going to further your agenda ! (or any other 'nay-sayer'.)

That being said, guy's like JCIN, Neil, JDHogg, Slomoholic, and MANY others, (including myself) have stated their 'anti-BB case' with reality, and (sometimes polite) conviction !...I have some very good friends, and player's (Fast Lenny, OTR streaming, for one) who are heavily invested, time wise, in the success of BB.. I felt just terrible for them, that their first event, could hardly have gone any worse !

The powers that be, in BB, have continued to make VERY flawed decisions, and last night, sadly, only magnified them ! As I have stated my opinion before had they chosen a game, well known by all, like "8 ball" to make these huge investments in, they would have had a MUCH better chance of success.

Minor 'rule tweaking', (or even none at all) on "8-ball, as their choice of games, and spending 'a little of their hugh $$$$ investment on a good PR firm...would have given them at least a prayer, of succeeding.

They have a beautiful new arena, some good concepts. But, also a strong, mis-guided desire to 'cram' Bonus Ball down the public's throat..Until they throw the game of BB under the bus, (where it belongs)... and admit its MANY shortcomings, I give them zero chance of success !

Of course thats just my opinion, (and some REAL heavyweights in the business) and for the sake of my friends involved, I would
LOVE to be proven wrong !...Like someone said, "You only get one chance to make a good first impresson" !...Bonus Ball, has had MANY chances ! (six months worth !) and they have yet, to get ONE thing right !

San Jose Dick---- Retired, but not retarded (yet)

PS..Roger (Long) old friend, say it isn't so, that you paid an entire season up front ?...Rog, I have several bridges around town, FOR SALE...very reasonable ! :thumbup:

Yes it was un-watchable and a bad first impression to be sure, but I agree that the only chance it had of being a success IMO would have been if 8 ball was the game played to appeal to the masses. The 3 pockets for one team and 3 for the other..along with 1-2-3pt balls having to be pocketed in a certain order and other rules it seemed the players didn't even understand really shows an example of how NOT to present a new concept and highlights the fact that if the Pro's are having difficulty with the rules after 6 months how are amateurs going to deal with it.

I knew nothing about BB and hoped it would be good for the players and fans, I don't see that happening. Also the 3 7/8 pockets did little to help the game as it was not only difficult for the fans to understand the rules..it was hard for the pro's to make tough shots. Hope things get better for BB for the players sake.

 

[JAM]

...Hope things get better for BB for the players sake.

Hear, hear! :smile:

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob.. So what are you trying to say?

Don

That it would be nice when more money gets into the game that the players actually be required (through Q-school or some such) to know the rules to the extent that each of them could be a competent referee. Instead of clueless.

In the present money situation it is perhaps unfair to say to a player, "You are too ignorant to play." Just let them play and explain the rules as you go along.

 

[jeffj2h]

How many times were the players confused about the rules? was it something that occurred every few shots or just a few times in the night?

I could not watch the "beta test" last night but will be watching what I hope is the production run tonight.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Lol

That it would be nice when more money gets into the game that the players actually be required (through Q-school or some such) to know the rules to the extent that each of them could be a competent referee. Instead of clueless.

In the present money situation it is perhaps unfair to say to a player, "You are too ignorant to play." Just let them play and explain the rules as you go along.

You got to be kidding..

"Here son take the car keys and I'll explain how to drive the car later".

Don

 

[JAM]

You got to be kidding..

"Here son take the car keys and I'll explain how to drive the car later".

Don

Bob Jewett is right about this, players not reading the rules beforehand. As most pool aficionados know, there's many different rules to the same game. Take 8-ball, for instance: call pocket, call shot, 8-ball neutral, 8-ball not neutral, 8 on the break wins, 8 on the break loses.

One year at the World Pool Championship, Rodney Morris was studying a shot, and he gently let his cue stick touch the table as he was measuring a straight line, to see more clearly how the object ball would go.

The referee immediately came up and told Rodney he broke the rule by using his cue on the table as a measuring device. It was counted as a foul, and he forfeighted his shot.

It was written in the rules, but the Americans, according to Charlie Williams, never received a copy that year. You would think that Charlie Williams in his role as President of the UPA, the men's pro organization at that time, would have gotten the rules to his beloved UPA members before such a prestigious event.

Rodney is still one of my all-time favorite American players. He's Mr. Cool!

 

[Cory in DC]

Whoa Nellie. Let's not become nattering nabobs of negativism. :frown:

[Favorite quote of Spiro Agnew when referring to the media.] :wink:

We don't want to turn into an effete corps of impudent snobs.

[Another Spiro Agnew quote.] :grin-square:

Carry on. :smile:

That describes about half the comments pretty well!

 

[Fatboy]

Yes it was un-watchable and a bad first impression to be sure, but I agree that the only chance it had of being a success IMO would have been if 8 ball was the game played to appeal to the masses. The 3 pockets for one team and 3 for the other..along with 1-2-3pt balls having to be pocketed in a certain order and other rules it seemed the players didn't even understand really shows an example of how NOT to present a new concept and highlights the fact that if the Pro's are having difficulty with the rules after 6 months how are amateurs going to deal with it.

I knew nothing about BB and hoped it would be good for the players and fans, I don't see that happening. Also the 3 7/8 pockets did little to help the game as it was not only difficult for the fans to understand the rules..it was hard for the pro's to make tough shots. Hope things get better for BB for the players sake.

the pockets are stupid, even when they do get the rules solved and the players play good those pockets take too much away from a offensive game and offense is what sells pool IMO, John Q Public dont want to see guys miss balls, 30 points and out is exciting, with 3 pockets and that small, thats so difficult to do all the games will end up in that "Shoot out" ending thing and that thing isnt exciting at all. the pockets should be 4.5" or 4.25 cause they have no shelf on that slate.