Bonus Ball Schedule Changes

JAM said:
Archer ain't no fool. He knows that teh Southern Classic is worth 25,000 BCA points. While his brethren of players is in Vegas shooting pool for empty stands, Johnny will be enjoying the limelight at the Southern Classic collecting those precious 25,000 BCA points, securing his spot in the Mosconi Cup. ;)

Well, ain't this sweet! :D
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Only problem is, the points are no longer how they are picking the teams, I thought I read a while back.
 
JumpinJoe said:
You don't see any PROS standing up for diamond or Greg do you? They don't care, they have and always will look for the easiest handout. They have no respect for the hand that's fed em forever.
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More like a hand that offered them a 1 in 10 chance of winning something. There is no guarantee of them winning anything in the Southern Classic, DCC, CII or BCA events right? 9 of ten don't make money unless they are playing side games gambling.
 
JumpinJoe said:
Only problem is, the points are no longer how they are picking the teams, I thought I read a while back.
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Each year, Matchroom changes the accreditation for Mosconi Cup. In the past, I thought they did it because of pool politics in the States in an effort to level the playing field.

Once Barry Hearn, et al., gets a lot of this Bonus Ball fiasco, well, I'm sure he'll do the right thing for American pool. I have always admired that about Matchroom Sports. One thing about it, Matchroom doesn't play favorites. :smile:
 
BryanB said:
More like a hand that offered them a 1 in 10 chance of winning something. There is no guarantee of them winning anything in the Southern Classic, DCC, CII or BCA events right? 9 of ten don't make money unless they are playing side games gambling.
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The majority of the bonus ball players come out ahead. They have a lot better chance then 1 in 10. That may be your odds of cashing or mine, or a lot of the dead money that enters. But over the years these guys have fared well in big events.

You might as well face it, bonus ball is going nowhere. It would be great for the players if it did. But in order for it to, you need a mass of people on board like the APA, and they my friend could care less about learning a new game. They go play 8 ball and drink beer, they don't care who DAZ, ARCHER, SVB, ALEX, BUSTY, EFREN, or any of the great players are. We here at AZB no matter how many like bonus ball or dislike it will never have much of an influence on the bottom line.
 
Majic said:
if the events go to invitational then , yes.
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Majic, there actually have already been rumblings of that, and I can't say that I blame the promoters.

What's at stake here, though, is there's a chance that the Derby City Classic could cease to exist, much like the Glass City Open when it closed its doors. This would be devastating to One-Pocket Hall of Fame enthusiasts, legends of the game who make this their once-a-year event, amateur players who want to strut their stuff to see how they fare against the pros, et cetera, et cetera.

In my opinion -- and I say this with all due respect to the other valued promoters out there -- this would put the nail in the American pool coffin if the pro players diss Greg Sullivan in this manner, especially after all he's done for them in past years with free entry fees, free room and board, and even, believe it or not, expense money out of his own pocket, so they can eat. What a damn shame! :frown:

I want the players to make money with Bonus Ball, but not at Greg Sullivan's expense. If Bonus Ball can alter their schedule for Ultimate, then they better damn well think about doing it again for Greg Sullivan. The tail is wagging the dog on Bonus Ball if they don't see the logic in this.
 
JJ,

I see what you are saying. You never know. Some league could pick it up some day. I was talking with Marc Vidal yesterday at a tournament ( before he kicked my ass) and he was talking about a push to get BB leagues going. He's an alternate for the Phoenix team.

I know he is registered here on AZB. Not sure if there is anything int the works or if it's all talk for now.
As for league players. From my experience, APA players do like their beer more than the BCA players :grin:
 
kittykat said:
Jam, your talking about an amateur event. WPBL is a professional league. There is no entry fee and not anyone can play! Imagine the NFL cancelling games for the South Western amateur football league. What are you thinking? Go enjoy a great amateur tournament, watch Shane and Mike take home all your money and I just hope I never see Shane or Dechaine where team colors in a professional league. These guys are letting Darren Appleton, Archer and the rest of the professionals pave a way for young players to have a professional league and your crying about an amateur event! Get real!
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FYI, the Southern Classic is a BCA points ranking event, not an "amateur" tournament as you have stated above. With over $75,000 in added money and a total purse that will be in excess of $175,000, it is a real stretch to call one of the biggest professional events of the year amateur in any way. Meanwhile enjoy your BB while it's here. My over/under is one season of the new "professional" league. And I'm betting the under!
 
bfdlad said:
I believe JA will be playing in the World games in July. There is no money in tha for him other than representing his country. Well its either during tunica or during th CSI events. its hard to knock him on that one.
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Mark, the World Games overlaps the last CSI event, the U.S. Open Eight Ball. He could play in all the other events, including the Southern Classic.
 
JAM said:
Majic, there actually have already been rumblings of that, and I can't say that I blame the promoters.

What's at stake here, though, is there's a chance that the Derby City Classic could cease to exist, much like the Glass City Open when it closed its doors. This would be devastating to One-Pocket Hall of Fame enthusiasts, legends of the game who make this their once-a-year event, amateur players who want to strut their stuff to see how they fare against the pros, et cetera, et cetera.

In my opinion -- and I say this with all due respect to the other valued promoters out there -- this would put the nail in the American pool coffin if the pro players diss Greg Sullivan in this manner, especially after all he's done for them in past years with free entry fees, free room and board, and even, believe it or not, expense money out of his own pocket, so they can eat. What a damn shame! :frown:

I want the players to make money with Bonus Ball, but not at Greg Sullivan's expense. If Bonus Ball can alter their schedule for Ultimate, then they better damn well think about doing it again for Greg Sullivan. The tail is wagging the dog on Bonus Ball if they don't see the logic in this.
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do you really think BB will be a fan favorite over the derby? maybe they both will die.
 
JAM said:
Majic, there actually have already been rumblings of that, and I can't say that I blame the promoters.

What's at stake here, though, is there's a chance that the Derby City Classic could cease to exist, much like the Glass City Open when it closed its doors. This would be devastating to One-Pocket Hall of Fame enthusiasts, legends of the game who make this their once-a-year event, amateur players who want to strut their stuff to see how they fare against the pros, et cetera, et cetera.

In my opinion -- and I say this with all due respect to the other valued promoters out there -- this would put the nail in the American pool coffin if the pro players diss Greg Sullivan in this manner, especially after all he's done for them in past years with free entry fees, free room and board, and even, believe it or not, expense money out of his own pocket, so they can eat. What a damn shame! :frown:

I want the players to make money with Bonus Ball, but not at Greg Sullivan's expense. If Bonus Ball can alter their schedule for Ultimate, then they better damn well think about doing it again for Greg Sullivan. The tail is wagging the dog on Bonus Ball if they don't see the logic in this.
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X2, well said Jam.
 
Is Johnny Archer to Larry of Bonus Ball what Mike Sigel was to Kevin Trudeau of the IPT?

I'd like to know who's directing the traffic here.
 
kittykat said:
Jam, your talking about an amateur event. WPBL is a professional league. There is no entry fee and not anyone can play! Imagine the NFL cancelling games for the South Western amateur football league. What are you thinking? Go enjoy a great amateur tournament, watch Shane and Mike take home all your money and I just hope I never see Shane or Dechaine where team colors in a professional league. These guys are letting Darren Appleton, Archer and the rest of the professionals pave a way for young players to have a professional league and your crying about an amateur event! Get real!
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I don't think I have read as many things as absurd as this post. Pro league, amateur tournament? You have got to be kidding.


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I personally don't believe that any promotors would permanently ban a bonus ball player that wanted to come back and pay an entry fee if bonus ball collapsed.

It's possible but I think any talk of permanent bans would turn out to be a bluff. Just my opinion.

However I could see promotors folding and that could be really bad if there was nothing left when all the dust settled.
 
Majic said:
do you really think BB will be a fan favorite over the derby? maybe they both will die.
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The only fans BB will end up with are the Dancing Monkeys themselves.

In actuality, the pros make up a small percentage of the Derby City Classic, but what makes the Derby special is the blend. Where else can one go compete with pros, sweat a straight pool tournament, attend the One-Pocket Hall of Fame banquet, gamble with the action players, sweat the action players gambling, compete in banks/9-ball/one-pocket with players of all caliber, and see 10-ball played in all its glory by the world's best. And then there's the vendors.

When BB implodes, just like the IPT did, the players will have no stage to dance on. They will be back on the regional tournament trail, trying to win, place, or show to break even. Second verse same as the first! :sorry:
 
JAM said:
Is Johnny Archer to Larry of Bonus Ball what Mike Sigel was to Kevin Trudeau of the IPT?

I'd like to know who's directing the traffic here.
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I could not blame Sigel for going along with that ride. Shoot, they probably made more money during that short period of time than at any other time in pools history.
 
flyvirginiaguy said:
I could not blame Sigel for going along with that ride. Shoot, they probably made more money during that short period of time than at any other time in pools history.
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They did have big paydays. Big weekends worth 300k. No doubt. Will never probably happen again.

But in bonus ball a guy gets what the guy winning the joss tour event gets $1000. There's no huge payday to speak of. And there's a lot more expenses then normal, and all the temptation of sin city. Put that all together and no one besides the creators will ever have a shot to make a $1. And the "Don't Pass" line is looking like the bet right now.
 
JumpinJoe said:
They did have big paydays. Big weekends worth 300k. No doubt. Will never probably happen again.

But in bonus ball a guy gets what the guy winning the joss tour event gets $1000. There's no huge payday to speak of. And there's a lot more expenses then normal, and all the temptation of sin city. Put that all together and no one besides the creators will ever have a shot to make a $1. And the "Don't Pass" line is looking like the bet right now.
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$1000 that's before taxes and expenses so what do they honestly make playing bonus ball?? If bonus ball truly cared about the players then would look at a list of the major tourneys an not have league the weeks of major tournaments just my opinion
 
I think the better question is why didn't Ultimate and Southern Classic reschedule their events??!!??

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