If Bonus Ball fails...

They're only doing it wrong if it fails. And if they do pool won't really be any worse off, just opportunities for others to succeed.

My opinion is its really not that big of a deal because they are not going to be around that long. Worst case for existing events is maybe a few fields dont get the guys they normally would this year. See Schmitty at the Accu Stats 14.1 for example. Other than that in the grand scheme of things its a mouse fart in a windstorm. But its fun to talk about and see everyone lose their minds.
 
Well some of my professional work in the past was related (indirectly) to the launch of the movie The Color of Money...but it's true that was indeed a long time ago, and in a different Universe, I suppose....

So twenty seven years ago you worked in a theatre on opening night of TCOM.

Totally makes you an expert on pro pool in the US today.

Unless you are Martin Scorsese in which case I take it all back and can you please make a Departed sequel of Wahlberg just running around being an asshole to everyone and face shooting people while wearing a hair net and hospital booties?
 
My opinion is its really not that big of a deal because they are not going to be around that long. Worst case for existing events is maybe a few fields dont get the guys they normally would this year. See Schmitty at the Accu Stats 14.1 for example. Other than that in the grand scheme of things its a mouse fart in a windstorm. But its fun to talk about and see everyone lose their minds.



I think they're doing similar to how tv shows pilot themselves... come up with a bunch of episodes and pitch to tv....they have to pay the actors each week without a return on their money unless the tv exec's pick it up. You know how many tv pilots get pitched and how many actually make it, so i can only guess thats about the same chance BB has of making it.

its a long shot but a shot :)
 
Below, here is the original plan as was reported back in May 2010

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...on-the-brains-behind-bonus-ball-92845319.html

Chiborak has a film crew taping the event this week and a pilot for TV is going to be put together later. Chiborak believes it is that TV exposure which will ultimately drive the grassroots of billiards to buy his unique equipment -- scoreboards, software, a special set of balls, even special lighted pocket liners. He might be on to something -- it bears remembering that nine-ball didn't become big in pool halls until it first became big on TV in the '80s and '90s.

when they were open and honest with CJ in May 2012 things changed a bit but below this was the plan on how to fund BB

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/9088-bonus-ball-the-real-deal-or-more-false-hope/

The Plan: Although the WPBL will start out as a single-venue league, long range planning calls for teams to be located in major market areas all across the US and parts of Canada. The main source of revenue for the league is expected to come from Internet pay-per-view sales, merchandise, and ticket sales. Since the owners of Bonus Ball have obtained their own Internet broadcasting channel, they will be able to store taped matches that can be accessed and viewed at the convenience of their subscribers; along with pay-per-view live streaming of league games. To make this venture feasible, the owners of Bonus Ball want to expand their market potential by attracting a large following of new fans. They intend to do this by grooming their professional players to become recognizable entities that fans can identify with. This will come about when the WPBL teams are eventually split up and moved into large cities where they can each build their separate fan bases.


and this is what the public and the players are being told today on the plan to make BB profitable, read below.....
 
You do not have to be an expert on anything to realize that when you pay out $50,000 every Monday and have zero money coming in that is an unsustainable model.

There are only so many possible ways to make money. It is not some secret formula. There are no magic bullets despite the mysterious claims of BB reps.

I think BB is paying their money so they can do whatever they want however they want. That doesnt mean everyone is going to just sit by and be all "YaaaaaYYYYY!! " as leave a big mess in their wake.

I find it interesting that so many people who have never actually done anything in this industry tell those that do what is and is not Bizzaro. So fascinating how that works,




The UFC claims to have dumped 44 million in it before they turned a profit. Google was in the red for years (even As a leader in the field) before they turned profit.
There are tons of different models out there for creating a good buissness. I do not believe that I would try to run a buissness with the models I brought up, but all that means is I wouldn't have been good running those companies.

All of my post earlier were not a discussion of details, but more of a, step back, and think logically, approach.

On a personnel note I like the fact that I've been able to walk into a pool room and meet Efren Reyes when he was on top of the pool world. I even played him a set. I've met archer, Strickland, and the list goes on and on.
I've went down to the local park to play basketball many times. Never have I ran into Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron. Hell, not even Luke Walton.

From a selfish place, I'm not sure how much I'd like pool to change.
However that's no good for the players.
If the players want to keep doing the same thing they've done for the last few decades then they need to do the same things. If they want to shake things up and try something different NO ONE should get down on them in any way for it.
If people really just care about the players then they should support people offering the slightest of chances for their betterment.

I doubt that the BB stuff will take pool into the mainstream. There's just too many other games, and sports that are more enjoyable to watch.
However, we know the southern classic isn't taking it mainstream. We know the US open wont take it there either. We've watched them not for many years.

Maybe an all or nothing attitude is what's needed. The IPT showed that its not just big money that will interest the public. BB has a bunch of definately changed enough stuff to make it very different.
 
Well the whole BB "discussion" is getting quite stale, because it's the same old stuff (over and over)...but once again...it's the forest and the trees...BB is adding to pool, not taking anything away...the existing "viable product", was/is obviously not benefiting the pros, (at least that's what they seem to be saying)...having a couple of players missing from a few events is "potentially endangering"...(your post is indeed loaded with connotative words/phrases like that and "questionable business model", "enduring structure for pool" etc.)...so yes, if you're indeed happy with the way things are going in pool now, then anything new is a "threat"...so what's the "enduring structure for pool" that your seeing being built now...(again I seem to keep hearing from many people that pool is not in a good state now the way things are going, but hey maybe I'm just not listening to the right people)...

Finally, (as a former Marketing type myself), it's pretty easy for me to work through most of the BS, PR, politics, misdirection, propaganda etc. that's taking place here...that, and having been involved with several startups and VC situations, the pundits/experts seem to be wrong as much as they are right where new ideas are concerned, (maybe even more wrong than right, because they often miss the forest for the trees they're use to dealing with)....

Good luck and Happy Journey to all....


Always love it when someone complains about the same old, tired, stale conversation but then goes on to add nothing new...

I don’t recall saying BB was taking away from pool. Only when it departs the scene we’ll know what, if anything, has been taken away.

I also don’t recall making the connection between the viable product and benefiting pros. Any connection I was trying to make was between a viable product and benefiting pool at large, both the pros and thousands of amateurs who play at The DCC, The SC, the Open events, and CSI’s league tournaments. And, as has been posted many times here (sorry you missed it), GS is attempting to built a pro tour (mit corporate sponsorship) pending the ongoing success of The DCC and The SC. That would be the “enduring structure for pool” along with the aforementioned CSI events, Open and league.

Yes, BB, is benefiting the pros. At the moment. Let’s see how that works out for them on down the road a bit ;-)

Lastly, I don’t believe that anyone considers “anything new” a “threat.” (Is couching the arguments of those you are criticizing in overly simplistic terms, and putting words in their mouths, an old marketing trick?)

Look, I’m very happy for you that you can work through the hype and see the trees through the forest with your laser-like insight (pundits beware! lol) Just keep on patting yourself on the back about that. Sounds like you have a future in forestry. Meanwhile the rest of us will be happy to man the AZ meat grinder with the same old, same old.

Lou Figueroa
 
These promoters are just doing the same thing they've always done, host events. What they have failed to do is make pool any better.


lol, this is so inane (to be polite) and ass-backwards that responding to you any further than to point this out is beyond me. You and the buska guy should get together -- he has Jedi-like laser powers.

Lou Figueroa
whew
 
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So you don't connect a viable product and benefiting the pros...but a few pros being unavailable due to a scheduling conflict is "potentially endangering"???

And...is the pro tour with sponsorship that GS is trying to make (to go along with the rest) an important part of the viable product or not...and if so, why doesn't he just pay the pros something like BB does...and if not why don't people just leave BB and it's business model alone, since the pros benefiting is not connected with the viable product anyway???


Becaaaaaause (wait for it.....) the BB model makes no sense.

Lou Figueroa
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My opinion is its really not that big of a deal because they are not going to be around that long. Worst case for existing events is maybe a few fields dont get the guys they normally would this year. See Schmitty at the Accu Stats 14.1 for example. Other than that in the grand scheme of things its a mouse fart in a windstorm. But its fun to talk about and see everyone lose their minds.


A mouse farting in a windstorm! :clapping: Can we please have a graphic of that?
 
Farting mice...dancing monkeys...Canadian robber barons...man, this story has just about everything goin' for it, so far anyway....


And an usher at the premiere of The Color of Money.
P.S. I actually did work at the premiere in Los Angeles, along with Keith McCready, Kim Davenport and Robin Dodson. And that's a fact Jack!
 
bb

Our tournament lost players this year because they were waiting for it to start and uncertain when it would start, also players wanted the 1k to come because thats what they would of lost if they missed bb that week. Of course a lot of tourneys can't afford that. We can't it all goes to the added $$$$ in the tourney, so was it a good thing bb? Not for us.

4bears classis.
 
You do not have to be an expert on anything to realize that when you pay out $50,000 every Monday and have zero money coming in that is an unsustainable model.

There are only so many possible ways to make money. It is not some secret formula. There are no magic bullets despite the mysterious claims of BB reps.

I think BB is paying their money so they can do whatever they want however they want. That doesnt mean everyone is going to just sit by and be all "YaaaaaYYYYY!! " as leave a big mess in their wake.

I find it interesting that so many people who have never actually done anything in this industry tell those that do what is and is not Bizzaro. So fascinating how that works,
Who knows how it will all shake out, only time will tell

What I get a kick out of is people thinking a 50k a week negative cash flow is the end of the world. Look at the myriad of start ups funded by venture capital. There are weekly examples of companies being purchased for hundreds of millions that have never earned a single dime in profit and in fact burned millions getting started. What they have done however, is show a potential return that captures the attention of investors.

Investing $2.5mm to take a crack at owning a sport the size of pool is a reasonable concept. What is poker worth, go back a little further to professional rodeo, or maybe a little further to a bunch of rednecks running their beaters around in circles... Wow, NASCAR... That will never work. Bullshit, they each took a languishing sport, put some lipstick on it and packaged it for mass consumption.

Hell, what's next, make TV shows about bass fishing and create an industry around that... What a joke, never happen. Right?
 
Agreed !

Who knows how it will all shake out, only time will tell

What I get a kick out of is people thinking a 50k a week negative cash flow is the end of the world. Look at the myriad of start ups funded by venture capital. There are weekly examples of companies being purchased for hundreds of millions that have never earned a single dime in profit and in fact burned millions getting started. What they have done however, is show a potential return that captures the attention of investors.

Investing $2.5mm to take a crack at owning a sport the size of pool is a reasonable concept. What is poker worth, go back a little further to professional rodeo, or maybe a little further to a bunch of rednecks running their beaters around in circles... Wow, NASCAR... That will never work. Bullshit, they each took a languishing sport, put some lipstick on it and packaged it for mass consumption.

Hell, what's next, make TV shows about bass fishing and create an industry around that... What a joke, never happen. Right?

Someone that believes besides me, Great post. Best I have heard. Bullshit has become a word I find myself thinking when no one thinks pool can have a true future.
Gary
 
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