Female players

BRussell said:
That's why I asked what you meant by "sporting activity or pursuit." By adding "pursuit" you made it sound like men are better than women at all "pursuits," i.e., everything, not just sports.
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According to the Declaration of the United States, all people are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That said, according to higher power(s), let no man take your joy. :)
 
Men and woman are DIFFERENT.. there is a lot of things that make us different

Men are better at everything that requires focus and skill! its a simple fact of life and not something to get mad over..

even video games.. there are a lot of girl gamers but the boys will smoke them every time!

P.S. I love woman

Men's focus>Woman's focus

Now girls can spot guys the 7ball when it comes maturity and priorities and stuff like that..


... ok that is my man view.. please spare me
 
btown said:
Men are better at everything that requires focus and skill! its a simple fact of life and not something to get mad over..
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What about academics? I'd say that requires focus and skill. Despite being kept out of equal education until a few generations ago in the US, I think all the studies show that women have fully bypassed men today in academic pursuits.
 
BRussell said:
I want to answer this, but I don't know what you think I'm jesting about. That academics takes "focus and skill?" That women outperform men in academics today?
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It's Tim, he thrives on drama and it's why he was banned before. He asks questions in as rude a fashion as possible, that make you hunt for the answer but he only does that so you will go look up the answer. It's just a carrot he dangles, there's no reward. He has no interest in the topic.
 
Ghosst said:
It's Tim, he thrives on drama and it's why he was banned before. He asks questions in as rude a fashion as possible, that make you hunt for the answer but he only does that so you will go look up the answer. It's just a carrot he dangles, there's no reward. He has no interest in the topic.
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Isn't it you who claims to know how someone plays based solely on their posts?

:rolleyes:
 
JAM said:
Woman: Do you drink beer?

Man: Yes.

Woman: How many beers a day?

Man: Usually about three.

Woman: How much do you pay per beer?

Man: $5, which includes a tip.

Woman: And how long have you been drinking?

Man: About 20 years, I suppose.

Woman: So a beer costs $5 and you have three beers a day which puts your spending each month at $450. In one year, it would be approximately $5,400. Correct?

Man: Correct.

Woman: If in one year you spend $5,400, not accounting for inflation, the past
20 years puts your spending at $108,000. Correct?

Man: Correct.

Woman: Do you know that if you didn’t drink so much beer, that money could have been put in a step-up interest savings account and after accounting for compound interest for the past 20 years, you could have now bought a Ferrari?

Man: Do you drink beer?

Woman: No.

Man: Where’s your Ferrari?
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Entertaining and gets the point across.

TJ
 
JB Cases said:
From Jean's perspective there wouldn't be any reason why women can't compete in billiards. But from a social and math perspective there are many reasons why women in general and any particular woman can't compete.

First the social, women are treated differently no matter how much we pretend otherwise. They are coddled and treated gingerly. If you're a boy you are taught to treat women differently and naturally, hormonally, you treat women differently. So women in the pool room are unlikely to be treated like one of the guys. The way guys bark at each other, they way they match up, they way they swagger, the jokes they trade, all this is different when a woman is involved. If SVB were going to match up with a top woman player would he ever send a text saying he was going to "destroy with equine intercourse" her the way he said it when talking about Mike Dechaine? I doubt it. Then comes the social stigma that men feel competing with women, no guy wants to be the one who lost to a woman, and the better player they are the more it stings.

Even today when there are more women in the game it's still a social knock when a guy loses to a woman. And women who play well are still described as playing good for a girl. They are not yet treated as simply players. And partly this is because there are still segregated tournaments.

Now the numbers. Well this one is easy, the percentage of women who play competitively is very small compared to the men. And when I say competitively I mean going out every night looking for tournaments and hunting action. There are very few women who do that. So the odds are very slim that women as a group or any individual woman would be able to dominate in a group of equally skilled men. The fact is that the men vastly outnumber the women and as such they have a lot more competitive (and thus learning) opportunities. Mass makes class and the women don't have the numbers. IF women played pool in equal numbers as men then AND they didn't face social discrimination THEN they would be about equally represented in the top ranks of all players in my opinion.

But now, even now in 2013, a really great woman player is still an oddity. They are still well in the minority.

Jean Balukas was the greatest woman player of her era but she wasn't close to being the greatest player of her era. When she stepped into a men's event then she became one of the field only and every player she faced was near to or better than her speed. So it would be tough for ANY player to dominate those fields and the odds that a woman would have the chops to be as good as Mike Sigel are simply too great. Now if Jean had been treated like Mike Sigel then it's entirely possible that she might have developed into the same caliber of player but I am 100% sure that she was not treated that way.

And really not much has changed with the exception that the general speed of the women players is much stronger now. Kelly Fisher beats the ten ball ghost on tight equipment. That's world class speed no matter what genitalia the player has. But can she bring that when the heat is coming back at her? Can she make it through a field of killers who are all just as good or better than she is? Well, probably not without massive experience against that type of competition. That IS the next level and unfortunately because she is a woman, and because there are still tournaments that are women only, she has little opportunity to test herself and go for it. And if she does go ahead and enter the few tournaments that allow women then she is knocked for beating the men who aren't allowed to play in women's events. And that argument does have some merit EXCEPT for the fact that any C-player can also enter any open Pro event but no pro can enter a C-player tournament.

In other words the lesser player can ALWAYS go up in class and try it. And in effect when the women have a league of their own they are acknowledging that they are as a group weaker than the men. Which is fine but we have to realize that as long as it exists then women will continue to face the double standard that they face. And as long as that is the case then in my opinion women will have a really hard time proving Jean right. And I agree with Jean, there seems to be no physical reason why women can't play as well as the men.
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This is strictly opinion. Most of what I've read in this thread is opinion, sure - but what I'm about to say is supported by nothing but my own observations. Many reasons have been given why women on the whole do not play on the level of men, and many of those reasons make sense from both sides. I have a new reason though, one I haven't seen yet. I feel simply that women are not as creative as men. I'm talking about across the board. Now of course you're going to have exceptions to all rules. There are going to be rare males who are good at female pursuits and vice versa. But as a whole I believe that women are just not as creative as men, at just about most things, except of course for creating babies, and even there they need a little help. You can trot out examples to challenge my contention, and of course some of those examples will be good ones. Those are the exceptions. I'm talking about the rule. And the rule is, repeat after me in as creative a style as humanly possible, "Women are not as creative as men." Say it again. Alright! Now we got it.

TJ
 
What I think really would have been great is for all the nice guys to take back control of their pool playing environments from the troublemakers. But that rarely, if ever, happens because troublemakers often won't go down without a fight. How many times do you know of nice guys who look the other way and pretend they didn't see or hear anything? I saw it over and over again.[/QUOTE]


Why didn't YOU do something about it? I don't think you get the point, that men have to deal with whatever environment exists, and they don't all like it or handle it any better than you or other women. I have never enjoyed being around a lot of hustlers. I don't like the bullshit. I felt the same as you but I didn't have gender to hide behind. You just can't accept that men have to put up with the same crap you don't care for and it's not their duty alone to change things. You seem to feel that all these roadblocks were put up to detour you alone, but everyone has to go through them. I am not a lover of competition - the grind of life, I don't like it - but that's the way it is - and if women ran things (which they do as surely as every puppet has a puppeteer behind it), openly ran things, I believe things would be no different - just as countries run by females are no less likely to get into wars. In this discussion I get the feeling that some women feel about men the same as many large retail stores feel about Walmart - that they're the evil giant - when in reality all the stores beneath them are aspiring to be the same. I'm not condoning the boorish behavior in poolroom, but it is a competitive atmosphere, and I'm sure it's that way at it's highest level in all sports including even the so called gentlemanly ones such as golf.

TJ
 
Drag racing, jockeying (horse racing), shotgunning (skeet and trap), and benchrest rifle shooting are just a few of the sports that women are just as adept at as a man, but JUST LIKE POOL, there are so very few competing in these sports (by ratio to men) that they only make small ripples on the surface.

Maniac
 
Hand-eye coordination.

Hand-eye coordination.

Observe a woman throwing a ball. Strength aside, she has the same muscles, bones and joint configurations as a man. But her brain doesn't interpret the images and pass orders along to the muscles in the same way. It's simply a difference in hand-eye coordination.

With a lot of practice a woman can learn to throw a ball quite well, but it will take her a lot of practice to accomplish what a 10-year old boy does naturally. That's why women who work hard at it can play a mean game of softball, but none of them can play Major League Baseball.

Yes, women are discriminated against in most sports including pool. And that makes it even harder to obtain the skills. But imagine how different the dynamic (harrassment/intimidation), would be in the pool hall if women won 90% of the matches. The men would be discriminated against because of their lesser skill. Humans discriminate against lesser skilled humans in just about every walk of life.
 
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