Female players

Tommy Joe said:
This is strictly opinion. Most of what I've read in this thread is opinion, sure - but what I'm about to say is supported by nothing but my own observations. Many reasons have been given why women on the whole do not play on the level of men, and many of those reasons make sense from both sides. I have a new reason though, one I haven't seen yet. I feel simply that women are not as creative as men. I'm talking about across the board. Now of course you're going to have exceptions to all rules. There are going to be rare males who are good at female pursuits and vice versa. But as a whole I believe that women are just not as creative as men, at just about most things, except of course for creating babies, and even there they need a little help. You can trot out examples to challenge my contention, and of course some of those examples will be good ones. Those are the exceptions. I'm talking about the rule. And the rule is, repeat after me in as creative a style as humanly possible, "Women are not as creative as men." Say it again. Alright! Now we got it.

TJ
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Fully disagree. In the sciences and the arts women are well represented. In leather working, my "sport", women are well represented and some of them are among the best of the best.

That said creativity is also a partially learned behavior. The brain is also a muscle that has to be trained and when it's not then whatever sparks of creativity that are there are not nourished and do not flourish.

I am sure if we look hard enough we can fjnd studies on this.

So to restate, I 100% disagree that women are less creative than men. Try raising kids, you had better be very creative to get through that.
 
golubushka said:
Jennie Finch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_de3HJvO-N8
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43 foot mound ?? WTF My 13 year old throws 70 mph, same as an Olympic gold medal winner, but he was to throw it from 54 feet for another year, then it goes back to 60 feet.

Geez, no wonder they throw no hitter after no hitter...and have ERA's of less than 1.00.
C'mon ladies, move the mound back after grade school, you're in the pro's or Olympics for heavens sake..... time to play on a "professional" size field ...geez, at least the woman pool players play on 9 foot tables, NOT five foot tables so they could dominate one another :)

You know how old the boys are that have to throw from a mound from 43 feet away..... 8 year olds :)
 
Tommy Joe said:
This is strictly opinion. Most of what I've read in this thread is opinion, sure - but what I'm about to say is supported by nothing but my own observations. Many reasons have been given why women on the whole do not play on the level of men, and many of those reasons make sense from both sides. I have a new reason though, one I haven't seen yet. I feel simply that women are not as creative as men. I'm talking about across the board. Now of course you're going to have exceptions to all rules. There are going to be rare males who are good at female pursuits and vice versa. But as a whole I believe that women are just not as creative as men, at just about most things, except of course for creating babies, and even there they need a little help. You can trot out examples to challenge my contention, and of course some of those examples will be good ones. Those are the exceptions. I'm talking about the rule. And the rule is, repeat after me in as creative a style as humanly possible, "Women are not as creative as men." Say it again. Alright! Now we got it.

TJ
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golubushka said:
A softball is a little heavier than a baseball, (do 13 year olds use major league weight baseballs), huh...and there is no mound in softball...let your kid try it with a softball, and pitch underhand...and the OP was saying that the ladies don't have the hand eye coordination like the guys...is that what you saw in the video...(anyway get your thinking cap on before you answer next time dude huh)....

Edit: And since a softball is bigger it has more air resistance making it harder to throw as fast too....
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What I saw was a guy who never played softball before. After about an hour or two, and he adjusted his swing, he'd had been drilling her like a Texas oil rig.
The ball is bigger, so what. They are still throwing it from 43 feet away, the same distance as 8 year old boys. That's just ridiculous, and maybe why professional womans softball was a bust, maybe why it got booted from the Olympics, maybe why nobody cares about the game at all... it's just brutal to watch... and the reason why is the 43 feet mound distance. In HS it's only 40 feet. You know, hitters gotta make a living too :)

And yes, 13 year old boys use the same size ball and weight as a professional major league player...not the same quality (I'm guessing the leather may not be TOP grade) I could respond about your thinking cap nonsense but I'm not going down to your level,,, enjoy...

And I ain't got nothing against the ladies... played on a mixed team in 1996 and won the IL state Championship....We had some very talented woman players that we would NOT have won without them ....
 
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golubushka said:
FYI...Men pitch fast pitch underhand softball from only 46 feet, (and can throw up to 85 MPH while the ladies can go to nearly to 75 MPH)...and AFAIK softball was invented in Chicago...also you can find videos of Jennie pitching against the men (including major leaguers ) and no, they don't drill her pitching...you can find all this out and more by just just using google...I assume from your comments that you played slow pitch softball (with the larger softer softball) otherwise you'd understand why it's 43/46 feet in fast pitch softball....Thanks for you time...
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Of course they don't, they did not practice for it. But if they tweaked their stroke they'd smoke her, that is not a guess, but a fact.

Our mens baseball team plays in a local college complex, and the local womans college team "challenged" our team of "old" guys... all over the age of 30 to a game, who all played HS, college, semi-pro and a few ex pro players.

The first few innings, nothing, but by the 2nd or 3rd at bat, we hit pay dirt, and starting hitting the ball up the box so hard, they agreed to end the game so they would not get hurt.

We pitched two innings at full speed, and nobody touched the ball, so we lobbed it the rest of the way. It's not much of an adjustment to hit softball pitching... but you have to adjuster your swing..... or you will never hit it.

And yeah, I stopped playing fast pitch softball for the same reason... the numerous no- hitters, one-hitters and two-hitters gets kind of boring real quick (well, for everyone except the pitcher). Played slo-pitch for awhile, but went back to baseball...

The game should have been adjuster a long time ago... but when a game stays out of touch and does not "change" it doesn't grow too much...Mens Fast Pitch softball is almost impossible to find now a days in these parts...I'd say it is in MUCH worse shape than pool will ever be....
 
JB Cases said:
Fully disagree. In the sciences and the arts women are well represented. In leather working, my "sport", women are well represented and some of them are among the best of the best.

So to restate, I 100% disagree that women are less creative than men. Try raising kids, you had better be very creative to get through that.
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As I said the first time, there are exceptions. Supporters of the woman's side to this discussion made it clear themselves that if women aren't as good at men at things it's because there aren't as many women as men competing. That's a good point. But that's also my point. Women over the history of time have not needed to be as creative as men. Their role has always been and continues to be that of the home maker. Even if there are exceptions to this, and surely there are many - the point is there will never be as many women as men in fields of brutal competition because that's just the way it is. On the surface they cry that they are not "allowed" to play on an equal field with men, but underneath they are glad they have their own leagues. It seems they want it both ways. As for women "trying" to raise kids - hey, that's the thing they want most in life, kids - and that's the way it's always been and always will be - and that alone will serve to keep them from ever competing on the same level with men in most fields. Even if things get brutal all over and women are forced into the same arena as men, even then they will play it both ways, holding on to their female advantages, of which they have many but to which they rarely admit. So they have kids, and raising kids is tough - it's not like anyone forced them to do it. They want to do it. And they don't all do a good job of it either. I am living proof of that.

TJ
 
Tommy Joe said:
As I said the first time, there are exceptions. Supporters of the woman's side to this discussion made it clear themselves that if women aren't as good at men at things it's because there aren't as many women as men competing. That's a good point. But that's also my point. Women over the history of time have not needed to be as creative as men. Their role has always been and continues to be that of the home maker. Even if there are exceptions to this, and surely there are many - the point is there will never be as many women as men in fields of brutal competition because that's just the way it is. On the surface they cry that they are not "allowed" to play on an equal field with men, but underneath they are glad they have their own leagues. It seems they want it both ways. As for women "trying" to raise kids - hey, that's the thing they want most in life, kids - and that's the way it's always been and always will be - and that alone will serve to keep them from ever competing on the same level with men in most fields. Even if things get brutal all over and women are forced into the same arena as men, even then they will play it both ways, holding on to their female advantages, of which they have many but to which they rarely admit. So they have kids, and raising kids is tough - it's not like anyone forced them to do it. They want to do it. And they don't all do a good job of it either. I am living proof of that.

TJ
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I think women throughout history have had to be extremely creative to live in a "man's world".

You're alive so someone did a good job of keeping your that way :-)

I think that the next 100 years will see women rising to a new level of competitiveness where a lot of historical stereotypes will be overturned. And in a 1000 years people might think it was silly that there was ever a time in human history when a woman's brain was thought to be inferior to a man's in any aspect.
 
golubushka said:
Modern women want to do it all...in my (family oriented) neighborhood there are many more women that participate e.g. in triathlons and marathons than men...they had their kids and now they want to compete...same with ladies that are CEOs and so on...and now the Dads can play more of a part in raising the kids too...and men want to have families too...also if you look at the statistics, about 1/3 of the men *and* the women here in the US never do get married...so as time goes on, you may need to update your story about the way things have to/used to be in the "traditional" Leave it to Beaver family....
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So they run triathalons, so what? So they like to compete, so what? I never meant to convey that women should be stay at home moms, my contention is that deepdown most if not all women want kids. No crime in that. But it's hard wired into them same as certain male traits are hard wired into men. I never said there aren't competent and even highly talented women in many fields of endeavor. I am saying that wanting to compete, or playing at it, is not the same as doing it because one has to. There are more men on skid row and death row than women. That's because the jobs of men require them to take more direct action than the jobs of women. Even in criminal pairings of men and women, it's usually the women who take less risk. Men are no more violent than women, they are only better equipped to carry it out - and lots of times when they do so it's for both themselves and their female partners. The jobs of men are always more brutal than those of women, and more risky. Turning tricks can be risky, but it's not as hard core, in your face ugly like dealing drugs on the street or robbing convenience stores. In the legit world and the criminal one as well it is the men who have always taken more chances, which explains why they are more creative and also possibly more stupid than women. Ok, are we even now?

TJ
 
JB Cases said:
I think women throughout history have had to be extremely creative to live in a "man's world".

I think that the next 100 years will see women rising to a new level of competitiveness where a lot of historical stereotypes will be overturned. And in a 1000 years people might think it was silly that there was ever a time in human history when a woman's brain was thought to be inferior to a man's in any aspect.
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First of all, you're using the term "A Man's World", which is a misnomer for sure. Just because you read somewhere that this is a "mans world" doesn't mean it is or ever was. When it comes to humans, it's a human world. Men did not force women to their current position, favorable or otherwise - it was a joint effort from the start. I never said women aren't as smart as men, or as capable. My only complaint is how they want to be in the arena with the men but only at their own choosing. Men are forced into that arena whether they like it or not. This discussion was about female pool players. From there it can branch off into many related topics. My main purpose in jumping into this thread was to point out that for years women have cried about not be "allowed" to play on the same field as men, when surely that is not the case at all. They want to take their shots against the men in many fields while at the same time retaining their own safe haven to run back to when things get too tough. Just admit it and I'm out of here. In fact, I think I'm out of here anyway.

TJ
 
This is like watching Fox News and MSNBC have an online debate. LOL.....I really can't believe how often this argument pops up on here and lasts for days at a time! It's comical.
 
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