Winning from opponents mistake.

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R3DS!X

professional failure
I don't like it. At all.

Tonight I had a really good match and it was very close. My opponent was on the 8 and I had one ball left. I played safety and blocked the 8 with my ball. The guy tried to break it out but when doing so he scratched and I won as a result.

I didn't feel very good about wining like that.

Anyone else feel like this?
 
why would anyone feel bad about forcing your opponent to make a mistake? :confused:
do you play safes in 9 ball? if yes, do you feel guilty if you got ball in hand?
 
Thats silly... why would you feel bad. Your safe did what it was supposed to do. Stop playing safes then if you don't want to force your opponent into a bad situation lol
 
I look at it a little differently than you do.

Many safeties take a lot of skill to perform, in some instances, more skill than making a ball.If you excecute a good safety, and your opponent craps and then falls back in it, be proud that you put him in a bear trap that won you the game. The entire reason for playing safe is to put maximum pressure on your opponent which hopefully results in him making a mistake. The mistake hopefully will cost him the game be it leaving you an easy out, ball in hand, or even if he scratches. I don't see much difference. You played the safety to win the game, period.

If you want to win by NOT making your opponent make a mistake, try running out every rack no matter the layout. Every single shot you try to make no matter how difficult, even if there is an easy safety at hand, you pass it up and shoot the impossible shot. If you are playing a decent player, you will most likely get tired of losing, go back to playing safties, and then will rejoice when he craps in his mess kit and scratches. You will most likely be jumping for joy so much, he might want to put a knot on your head. :smile:

Safeties win games.
 
I'm confused. Other than winning the lag, and breaking and running out the set, how is it possiable to win without your opponent making a mistake?
You'd never see the table if your opponent didn't make a mistake.

Now, if you mean that you don't like winning racks when your sitting in your chair then I understand that, but you should be upset when your opponent wins because of your mistake, not the other way around.
 
I am not trying to spam this thread and sorry in advance if it seems I am. I tried posting a new thread on the question I am about to ask but I guess a mod needs to approve of it before it gets posted and I need an answer asap. Is this table a Gold Crown?



 
onepocketron said:
I look at it a little differently than you do.

Many safeties take a lot of skill to perform, in some instances, more skill than making a ball.If you excecute a good safety, and your opponent craps and then falls back in it, be proud that you put him in a bear trap that won you the game. The entire reason for playing safe is to put maximum pressure on your opponent which hopefully results in him making a mistake. The mistake hopefully will cost him the game be it leaving you an easy out, ball in hand, or even if he scratches. I don't see much difference. You played the safety to win the game, period.

If you want to win by NOT making your opponent make a mistake, try running out every rack no matter the layout. Every single shot you try to make no matter how difficult, even if there is an easy safety at hand, you pass it up and shoot the impossible shot. If you are playing a decent player, you will most likely get tired of losing, go back to playing safties, and then will rejoice when he craps in his mess kit and scratches. You will most likely be jumping for joy so much, he might want to put a knot on your head. :smile:

Safeties win games.
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This is brilliant writing. I hope everybody on AZB reads this, and learns from it.

Ron rocks!

-Blake
 
If I'm happy with my game (meaning shotmaking, safeties, mental aspect) I don't care what my opponent do at the table. I made no errors, and he made some, I'm the winner, it's easy.

Indeed I'm very unhappy when my game is awful and I win some racks due to the unforced errors of my opponent. Such wins don't help me.
 
I will echo what the others have said...safety shots are as valid as any other shots. One chooses to execute the option with the greatest perceived benefit, each time he gets up to bat.

I understand that winning from another's error is not as gratifying as taking the win for yourself, but as mentioned by others, also...we aren't all svb. When we turn over the table, it is usually not by choice.
 
onepocketron said:
I look at it a little differently than you do.

Many safeties take a lot of skill to perform, in some instances, more skill than making a ball.If you excecute a good safety, and your opponent craps and then falls back in it, be proud that you put him in a bear trap that won you the game. The entire reason for playing safe is to put maximum pressure on your opponent which hopefully results in him making a mistake. The mistake hopefully will cost him the game be it leaving you an easy out, ball in hand, or even if he scratches. I don't see much difference. You played the safety to win the game, period.

If you want to win by NOT making your opponent make a mistake, try running out every rack no matter the layout. Every single shot you try to make no matter how difficult, even if there is an easy safety at hand, you pass it up and shoot the impossible shot. If you are playing a decent player, you will most likely get tired of losing, go back to playing safties, and then will rejoice when he craps in his mess kit and scratches. You will most likely be jumping for joy so much, he might want to put a knot on your head. :smile:

Safeties win games.
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just what he said!!
 
R3DS!X said:
I don't like it. At all.

Tonight I had a really good match and it was very close. My opponent was on the 8 and I had one ball left. I played safety and blocked the 8 with my ball. The guy tried to break it out but when doing so he scratched and I won as a result.

I didn't feel very good about wining like that.

Anyone else feel like this?
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It is not a foul unless the opponent calls it. Just take the cue ball and finish the game the way that makes you feel better.
 
How about losing from your opponent's mistake in 9 ball?? They miss a ball by two diamonds, stick you where you can't possibly hit a ball and get ball in hand when you miss the kick shot. Just the way the game is, right:rolleyes:
 
R3DS!X said:
I don't like it. At all.

Tonight I had a really good match and it was very close. My opponent was on the 8 and I had one ball left. I played safety and blocked the 8 with my ball. The guy tried to break it out but when doing so he scratched and I won as a result.

I didn't feel very good about wining like that.

Anyone else feel like this?
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If you feel bad about it, why did you play a save? The point of a safe is to make the shot harder so the guy gives you a chance to win, which is what happened. It would like like spraying oil all over steps and then saying you feel bad people are slipping and falling.

I do feel bad for the guy when he does a great run out and then misses on the last ball or last few to leave me an easy win, or scratches off a really tough shot that goes in but cue ball does also. On the other hand, we all have gifted enough games to our opponents that the giving equals out the getting.
 
How about this: IF your opponent NEVER makes a mistake how many games do you think you are going to acually win against him? Don't miss because you're possibly never getting back to the table and if you do then you won't have a shot.

The whole idea about a safety is to NOT to leave your opponent a shot and in many cases to to give yourself BIH. And as already stated, in many cases playing a good safety is much more diffcult than pocketing a ball.

You played safe and forced your opponent to make a mistake, goal accomplished now move on!
 
There is an old bromide in poker that can also apply to pool.

There are two ways of consistently winning at the poker table. One is by one's own brilliance and the other is through the frailty of your opponents. The latter is the more reliable.
 
If you don't develop a do, or die, him, or me attitude, regarding the outcome of your matches, then you'll never do well at pool. Your skill level will never reach it's full potential, your friends will abandon you, and your dog will piss all over your shoes.
Beat your opponent until his uncle hollers uncle. After that, buy him a burger and a cup of coffee. :)
 
Nope, never had a problem with that.

When people say "Sorry man, hate to win like that" it never struck me as sincere.
At best they feel your pain so they're saying something nice so you won't feel so shitty.
A more cynical view is they're pulling this fake 'noble gentleman' routine because
they want everyone to say "wow, that bob, what a good sport he is!"

No offense. I just honestly have trouble imagining anyone being bothered by this.
Anyone who's played a while understands that rolls are part of the game.
Why feel bad for something normal that happens every day?
Might as well feel bad because someone somewhere is getting soaked by rain.
 
CreeDo said:
Nope, never had a problem with that.

When people say "Sorry man, hate to win like that" it never struck me as sincere.
At best they feel your pain so they're saying something nice so you won't feel so shitty.
A more cynical view is they're pulling this fake 'noble gentleman' routine because
they want everyone to say "wow, that bob, what a good sport he is!"

No offense. I just honestly have trouble imagining anyone being bothered by this.
Anyone who's played a while understands that rolls are part of the game.
Why feel bad for something normal that happens every day?
Might as well feel bad because someone somewhere is getting soaked by rain.
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What?!?! Someone's getting wet?
But... but...I have an umbrella! I could have done something!!!! :(

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On the other hand, I just love running a rack or two then locking someone up.
Just to get ball in hand and repeat the process. :D

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