Do you prefer practising by using drills or by playing real games?

Which do you prefer?


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Push&Pool

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Do you prefer practising by using drills/playing the ghost or by playing real games?

I've always been thinking what's more effective of the two. Naturally, it would probably be a healthy mix of the two, but if you had to choose only one, which one would it be? I've already made my choice, but I'd like to know what others think.

I couldn't play drills on a regular basis because I play only on coin ops, so it wouldn't be the best idea to waste cash only to blast balls around alone. Still, I personally find drills inferior to playing recreational games, and this is why...

If you're a novice player, you'll have a hard time shooting balls accurately. Drills could help you gain accuracy faster, but your improvement may suffer in other aspects of the game.

- First, when playing actual games against any type of opponent (although it's clearly more effective if your opponent is a seasoned player), you watch and learn how other players think and behave, how they react, what their strategies are etc.

- Second, your opponent, or other more experienced players in the room, can give you tactical advice, point out your mistakes (both in technique and strategy) and correct them, teach you about what's important in winning or losing (e.g. your and your opponent's defensive ball positions, tactical importance of each ball in a particular situation), and you can ask their opinion any time.

- Third, when you find yourself in a real game, you encounter real-life game situations. You see where your balls are placed, you also take a look at your opponent's. There are infinite possibilities how balls can be positioned during a match, however, many of those situations can be quite similar. Once you encounter a certain situation (for example, to make things simple: your ball stuck between opponent's two, an obstacles between your OB and the pocket, several clusters in the center of the table etc.), that situation is then carved into your subconscious memory and when you encounter it again (maybe much later in an important game where you intend to win some money) you remember what you played back then and how things worked out. Definitely helpful when making a decision in that moment.

- Fourth, you learn to cope with the psychological pressure and do your best in stressful situations. Even in games where othing is on the line, and you're playing your best friend, there's always at least that small tendency to win the game, to compete with your opponents and prove you can do better than them. You may want to impress a girl, show experienced players you're catching up, avoid embarrassment in front of the audience, or simply be the best among your friends. Whatever the reason is, you'll play more seriously when facing an actual adversary instead of yourself. You'll experience everything from the above a thousand times (embarrassment, loss, anger, success, pride) and with time learn to keep a cool head and not allow negative emotions influence the quality of your game, while at the same time allowing the positive ones to boost your performace. Everyone is nervous and scared before a game, but experience gives you the gift to use that of fear to increase your focus instead of losing it. Later, when money may be on the line, without those skills you won't be able to function.

- Speaking of psychology, another important factor is the psychology of your opponents. After hundreds of games you get to know what throws most people out of balance (playing a cunning safety, slopping in a missed shot, pocketing a ball they were sure you wouldn't make etc.). Using those in your favor will give you an edge in many situations, particularly against better opponents. At the same time you'll get used to (well, partially...) your opponents doing the same things to you, so you won't lose your temper completely. There same things which p*** your opponent off usually give you a positive psychological boost and help you regain confidence. That's one more reason you need to prevent your adversaries accomplishing those whenever you can.

- Last, you learn yourself what works best and what doesn't by using system of trial and error with all the things listed above. Advice from other people is always helpful, but personal experience is the best guide in your development. There are no such things as two identical players, and that's why each person has to learn what they do best.

All those things you can't get by playing drills. You may get better at certain shots, CB positioning, even trickshots, but you don't get the whole picture which real games give you. Please, correct me if I'm saying wrong stuff.
 
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I have always heard from various, well known sources, that "play" is not "practicing" and is not going to raise your level of play, it is just that, "playing". I know that you learn the pattern play etc as you stated above. Personally, I always start out by making sure my stroke is "on" (short rail to short rail cue ball to OB on the rail and see if the CB bounces straight off the OB. , then do an "L" drill a couple of times (this reminds me of the speed of table and , as mosconi once said, "the touch". then, practice a shot I missed in a previous match, then throw out 5 balls and shoot in order (this helps with my position play) when it all seems okay, I then throw out all the balls and finish with the practice session that way. if during that time I miss, then I practice that one shot until I get it right a few times. then I feel I am ready. just MHO. but I am an old guy and I am too old to learn any new tricks! :sorry:
 
I have always heard from various, well known sources, that "play" is not "practicing" and is not going to raise your level of play, it is just that, "playing". I know that you learn the pattern play etc as you stated above. Personally, I always start out by making sure my stroke is "on" (short rail to short rail cue ball to OB on the rail and see if the CB bounces straight off the OB. , then do an "L" drill a couple of times (this reminds me of the speed of table and , as mosconi once said, "the touch". then, practice a shot I missed in a previous match, then throw out 5 balls and shoot in order (this helps with my position play) when it all seems okay, I then throw out all the balls and finish with the practice session that way. if during that time I miss, then I practice that one shot until I get it right a few times. then I feel I am ready. just MHO. but I am an old guy and I am too old to learn any new tricks! :sorry:

Come on don't talk like that, we all keep learning stuff till we die ;-) I agree drills have the same effect as training sessions for football players, but IMO if someone constantly plays football without having a lot of standard trainings, he could still play well, and maybe learn some tricks classic players may have missed...
 
Sure, and if new solders went to war without any training, how many would come back alive?


Come on don't talk like that, we all keep learning stuff till we die ;-) I agree drills have the same effect as training sessions for football players, but IMO if someone constantly plays football without having a lot of standard trainings, he could still play well, and maybe learn some tricks classic players may have missed...
 
If you're playing by yourself, drills can be damn good practice but be warned, they get boring real fast for most. The only time I do "drills", are on those shots I have previously encountered and struggle with during competitive play.

As for practice when I'm alone, I prefer the "play the rotation ghost" practice method. When playing the ghost you get that added sense of shooting under pressure as well, rather than just banging mindlessly or boring yourself doing drills to the point you become a stroking robot. After all, it's all about how you perform under pressure in a real world situation. If your not familiar with how to properly "play the ghost" and all of its variances, research it or pm me and I'll be more than happy to explain further.

Take note, I'm not saying drills are bad at all. But I have seen a lot of people doing drills and are not paying full attention to exactly what they are doing or why they are doing it to begin with. Approach each and every shot as if its a game situation and that's the only time you get to shot it. Wash and repeat. Practicing the wrong thing or rather re-enforcing a bad habit is not doing yourself much good in the long run. So know the "whats and whys" for doing the drills in the first place.

As for advice from friends, players or competitors. That all depends on several factors, their knowledge, ability and motivations being top of the list. This is one of those sports where everyone knows everything, if you doubt that, just ask them, they'll tell you. :wink:

If your only option is a bar table to practice on, you have a valid point as to its expense and I agree. It is frowned upon by most owners and may get you thrown out, but if you can get away with it (by asking for permission first), stuffing a towel in a hole to practice shots can go a long way. Just make sure you don't stuff the towel in to the point you can't get it back out thus breaking the tables functionality for everyone else until its repaired. That will certainly get you thrown out on the street head first.

If you are seeking the path of least resistance in your quest to improve your skill-set with the game, find a qualified instructor and pay the man (or women) a lot of money over a long period of time. If that is not an option, then I suggest reading everything you possibly can about the game and it's basic fundamentals online. There is a plethora of information available. Click here for a good start, The Dr. is in the house.

Good luck with your quest.

Dopc.

EDIT: Ut oh I just noticed the "Beginner with an attitude"... I hope I didn't just step in a pile here....
 
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If you're playing by yourself, drills can be damn good practice but be warned, they get boring real fast for most. The only time I do "drills", are on those shots I have previously encountered and struggle with during competitive play.

As for practice when I'm alone, I prefer the "play the rotation ghost" practice method. When playing the ghost you get that added sense of shooting under pressure as well, rather than just banging mindlessly or boring yourself doing drills to the point you become a stroking robot. After all, it's all about how you perform under pressure in a real world situation. If your not familiar with how to properly "play the ghost" and all of its variances, research it or pm me and I'll be more than happy to explain further.

Take note, I'm not saying drills are bad at all. But I have seen a lot of people doing drills and are not paying full attention to exactly what they are doing or why they are doing it to begin with. Approach each and every shot as if its a game situation and that's the only time you get to shot it. Wash and repeat. Practicing the wrong thing or rather re-enforcing a bad habit is not doing yourself much good in the long run. So know the "whats and whys" for doing the drills in the first place.

As for advice from friends, players or competitors. That all depends on several factors, their knowledge, ability and motivations being top of the list. This is one of those sports where everyone knows everything, if you doubt that, just ask them, they'll tell you. :wink:

If your only option is a bar table to practice on, you have a valid point as to its expense and I agree. It is frowned upon by most owners and may get you thrown out, but if you can get away with it (by asking for permission first), stuffing a towel in a hole to practice shots can go a long way. Just make sure you don't stuff the towel in to the point you can't get it back out thus breaking the tables functionality for everyone else until its repaired. That will certainly get you thrown out on the street head first.

If you are seeking the path of least resistance in your quest to improve your skill-set with the game, find a qualified instructor and pay the man (or women) a lot of money over a long period of time. If that is not an option, then I suggest reading everything you possibly can about the game and it's basic fundamentals online. There is a plethora of information available. Click here for a good start, The Dr. is in the house.

Good luck with your quest.

Dopc.

Thanks for the long answer :-)
 
Most people believe they have a better game than they really do. As long as all they do is play, they can keep that illusion. Other guy got lucky, ect. But, when you do drills, your real abilities are right there in your face, you can't avoid the results. Few people can stand to face reality for very long.

If you do drills just to say you did them, they aren't going to do much if anything for you. The idea of drills is to learn how to repeatedly perform a task. Paying attention to what works, and what doesn't. Actual learning. That's also something else few care to do, spend time in "pool school", they just want to go out and play and bang the balls around and see what happens.

I didn't vote in the poll because there is no place for "both". Which is what the proper answer should be for fastest improvement. It's not a one or the other choice if you have the proper mindset for improvement.
 
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Thanks for the long answer :-)
I just went back and reread your post word for word..I see what you did there, well played....

I'm an idiot, thats what I get for being up for over 20+ hours without sleep and posting. Oh well, hopefully one or more people are laughing their a$$ off at my expense. I am......

Dopc.
 
Master the drills and take them to the game.
Kicks & banks are hard to learn under combat conditions. Take a survey of how many players learned them during the game.
One pocket break shot. Who learned it without drilling.
Spot shots?
Drills are boring. So is racking. I just voted.
 
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I am old and playing only two years so, from past experience in other "games" I chose drills. One of my favorite sayings is " Practice doesn't make perfect, but perfect practice will make progress". I am a believer in, if you don't practice good form like pendulum, you will have a bunch of bad habits later on that will be near impossible to correct. I understand that there are players out there with horrible form that I never will beat , but I feel those guys have built a wall for themselves that the won't get past.

I do believe you have to play to get past the nerves. You have to have both but first for me are drills.
 
In my mind there are three components.

Practice
Training
Playing

Practice - stroke development, eyepatterns, speed control, cueball control

Training - playing the ghost, working on specific shots that are troublesome, i.e working those elements that need refinement based upon the needs of the player.

Playing - Playing the game is the culmination of practice and training, the results of which are used for further practice and training sessions.

Relying on getting your practice in while playing, restricts the player to get the types of repetitions required to make a change in their game.

This was my point with the war analogy, when you play top flight players ONE mistake is enough for you to be sitting down for the rest of the set. At that point you need to learn by observation.
 
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Oh, I forgot. My all time favorite coach would say " don't practice at the shoot. if you did not bring it, you're not going to find it here" He would poke his finger in my chest and say "just let Lou do it"
 
I just went back and reread your post word for word..I see what you did there, well played....

I'm an idiot, thats what I get for being up for over 20+ hours without sleep and posting. Oh well, hopefully one or more people are laughing their a$$ off at my expense. I am......

Dopc.

Sorry, I was reading from my mobile, and I wasn't in the mood to write a longer response that way, so I waited till I got to the PC. I got your advice, and I'm not really familiar with playing the ghost. I'll include that one in the poll as well. Feel free to clarify that kind of practising to me, I'll be grateful :) At the moment I don't really have time to read pool books, but maybe one day I will. I agree that you always need to be careful who you're asking for advice, so I always observe how the guy actually plays before letting him teach me anything. I did try drills, they're effective and actually fun if they don't last too long, but I still think I learned much more from actual play.
 
In my mind there are three components.

Practice
Training
Playing

Practice - stroke development, eyepatterns, speed control, cueball control

Training - playing the ghost, working on specific shots that are troublesome, i.e working those elements that need refinement based upon the needs of the player.

Playing - Playing the game is the culmination of practice and training, the results of which are used for further practice and training sessions.

Relying on getting your practice in while playing, restricts the player to get the types of repetitions required to make a change in their game.

This was my point with the war analogy, when you play top flight players ONE mistake is enough for you to be sitting down for the rest of the set. At that point you need to learn by observation.

I'm sorry if I didn't explain it well in the OP, I wanted to say that by playing constantly you actually get many repetitions for a certain type of shot. When I first needed to slide the OB precisely along the rail into the corner pocket, I don't remember being very successful. After I've done it a thousand times, I still won't do it every time, but if I'm in goos condition, tat shot won't be a big issue. Same with everything else. Of course, I never said drills are bad, I said that mixing in both would be the best option. I only said I find playing both more effective and more fun option overall.
 
Sorry, I was reading from my mobile, and I wasn't in the mood to write a longer response that way, so I waited till I got to the PC. I got your advice, and I'm not really familiar with playing the ghost. I'll include that one in the poll as well. Feel free to clarify that kind of practising to me, I'll be grateful :) At the moment I don't really have time to read pool books, but maybe one day I will. I agree that you always need to be careful who you're asking for advice, so I always observe how the guy actually plays before letting him teach me anything. I did try drills, they're effective and actually fun if they don't last too long, but I still think I learned much more from actual play.

At the possible cost of even more self humiliation, I will gladly answer the question about playing the rotation ghost. There are many variations but all share the same simple concept. The rules are as follows.

1) You break and run out the rack, congratulations you win the rack.
2) The ghost NEVER misses. EVER. So if you miss any shot and fail to run out the rack, you lose. Game over start again.

As for the variations, thats up to you and I'll list a few examples.

1) You either play the break as it lies, or take ball in hand for the first shot. decide this before you start. Easier if you take ball in hand obviously.
2) You either have to make a ball on the break to continue, or you don't. Decide before you start. Typically people don't force a ball made on the break, but makes it much tougher and true to life if you do.
3) A scratch on the break does or does not count as a miss, decide before you start.
4) You may allow one or more misses per rack, decide before you start. (I don't like this rule, in my opinion it defeats the purpose of the drill) Ideally work your way up to allowing no missed shots.
5) Before you start, decide what the race will be. Race to 5,7 or whatever you wish.

This is a real tough workout, beating the 9 ball ghost is no easy task. even tougher is moving to the 10 ball ghost playing by 10 ball rules (I.E. no slop, call ball & pocket every shot). You beat the 9 or 10 ball ghost in a race to 11, your a very strong player, period.

Once you give this a try and discover, theres no way you can beat the 9 ball ghost in a race to 5 or more, you've now accepted the fact your game has room for improvement. Now make the game a little easier and start with only 4 balls numbering 1-4. once you master that and beat the ghost frequently, move to 6 balls, then 8 and so on until you reach a full rack.

This method is as close to stressful competition as you can get playing alone. What this game does not allow you to work on, is your defensive play, this is strictly an offensive drill type game play. What it does work on is everything else. To beat the ghost you must have a good break, play good shape and be consistent at making balls.

To practice defense, find a one pocket sparing partner that knows how to play the game properly. That will teach you defense or you die trying.

Good luck.

Dopc.
 
You have to do both.

Play, evaluate performance, tailor appropriate practice, play, evaluate prerformance......
 
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