Not sure i wanna get into the middle of this, but I'm pretty sure Ray Martin uses a different screen name. I can't remember it right now.
That shouldn't matter. Ghost has been here for some time. I don't believe he was trying to deceive you.
What cue stroke are you using?
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Not sure i wanna get into the middle of this, but I'm pretty sure Ray Martin uses a different screen name. I can't remember it right now.
That shouldn't matter. Ghost has been here for some time. I don't believe he was trying to deceive you.
Good answer. And that brings up another timing point. What if you slightly deviate from your PSR? I know this is sacrilegious, but what if it's not such a bad thing?
We aren't machines and things change from day to day. Why couldn't we make small adjustments and pick up on these changes? Consistency is had by doing the same thing the same way so your subconscious mind can obediently take over. But what if the physical body is off?
You may be tired, pissed off at something that happened that day, or just over amped. Your subtle timing may be affected and you can't get there. You steer the cue ball and jump up on shots. It could happen...:grin-square:
I adjust slightly by paying close attention to what my body is telling me as I address the cue ball. I get down on the shot with my PSR distance, but I go quiet mentally and feel if a slight movement is in order. Many times I start to get a good feel and begin hitting the cue ball more solidly. Then my normal PSR may come back.
Best,
Mike
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How it affects you, and by how much, depends on how much experience you have. With each shot you take, you are making a memory for your subconscious to "pull" of off. The more you repeat something, the more pathways you have for your subc. to use. So, with enough experience, you can just plop down and still make the ball and get perfect position.
The problem arises in that it won't work everytime for you. It will work just enough of the time for you to think you can trust it. But then, when you get to playing the higher levels, you find out that just one mistake costs you dearly. So, the better player you want to be, the more precise in everything you have to be.
No I'm not Ray Martin. Nor am I the Bruce who believes in giants. Many people here know me offline. I don't however feel the need to have everyone know who I am until they actually talk to me and I decide I want to share a Bourbon with them. Female stalkers get a free pass if they're cute.
My demonstration showed .0375" variation from straight in 5" of travel, 1 millimeter=.0394".
I find it disingenuous that you would publicly proclaim Neil as being on your ignore list and then quote him to bolster your position.
I was testing to see if you were indeed looking for an explanation. You have failed that test. You are either being deliberately obtuse or not able to comprehend normal thought.
I would consider it an honor to be added to your published ignore list. Pretty sure I will be in good company.
Hi Bruce,
Mr. Martin's handle has 'ghost' in it in some way. I made the mistake but thought to myself that it did not sound like Mr. Martin to me.
So, I asked for a clarification. None was forth coming. I am not & did not say that any 'misleading' was intentional but I was allowed to be left in my doubt.
Then after that all of a sudden Ghost was here. Then someone else informed me that Ghost was not Mr. Martin.
Given that I am 'attacked' from so many directions as well as several past PM maneuvers I am often suspicious.
My civics teacher taught me to always consider the source & any possible ulterior motives that they might have.
I was also an investigator in the Marine Steamship Industry for many years. I've seen my share of distortions, deceptions, & down right cheating & lying.
I think that you & I are both nice guys but I also think that I am a bit older than you & have seen more...both good & bad.
Best to Y'a,
Rick
Hey Mike:
I hope you don't mind me jumping in, as Neil is obviously answering questions very completely and succinctly.
Concerning your "what if" question, for the longest time -- I'd say up until recently -- I was bothered by an inconsistency I had that I couldn't put my finger on. It concerns playing against much slower players -- i.e. players that don't have a ball-pocketing rhythm and instead agonize/scrutinize every single shot.
To make a long story short, I was being shoved out of my stroke rhythm. Since I'd have to sit there and watch my opponent agonize over three hangers, when my turn at the table did come, I had found I'd placed myself into the role of "match timekeeper" -- i.e. that I was the one that had to make up time that was lost during my opponent's agonizing stretch at the table. What does this have to do with my stroke, you ask? Simply put, everything -- including my setup, my PSR, my practice strokes, and my cue delivery -- was put on the "fast track." I was rushing through it all, because when everything is on a "rhythm," it's an easy matter to just speed up that rhythm.
The problem was, that my cue delivery straightness was suffering, and I couldn't even see it. Take me away from the table (i.e. take me away from that slow opponent), film me, and I was returned back to normal. My stroke looked fine. Put me back at that table, and everything fell apart.
It was a friend who caught me on video during a match with one of these Mr. Molasses, and showed me the video. I was aghast at what I saw. Looking down the length of my cue (which fortunately he was able to capture), there was a hitch there that I was not catching in this "sped up" mode.
The fix? I had to re-assert a slow pullback into my final delivery, and integrate this as a permanent part of my PSR. I'd long lost the slow pullback because of the "rhythm" aspect -- when I'm in that rhythm, it's nature and feels great. Some of my best runs in straight pool came from that natural cadence in my stroke.
However, during times of duress (i.e. slow/excessively deliberate opponent), that cadence -- that rhythm -- is easily broken, and I'd lost the "check" that a slow pullback gives you.
It was not easy to put this slow pullback back in; I've had to tear my PSR down and build it back up again. But it was the best thing I ever did. Recently, I ran a 98 against one of these Mr. Molasses, and I'm confident I would've ran the match out, if I hadn't tried to be "fancy" on the breakshot for the 8th rack (i.e. instead of just pocketing the ball and letting the natural path of the cue ball do its work, I tried to stun HARD into the rack to have the cue ball bounce out towards the center of the table). But live and learn. The short of it is that a crucial thing had been "trimmed" from my stroke and PSR over the years for the sake of rhythm, and I had to identify it and rebuild it back in. Now that it's back in, that monkey is off my back concerning playing slow/deliberate players.
I hope that helps answer the question of "what to do if the physical body [read: timing] is off." Sometimes it's just as simple as having someone film you during a time of duress, and showing you the result. Often, your own eyes will show you what you're doing wrong.
-Sean
Thanks for making that clear as I was not sure that the person who informed me was correct. Although I assumed that they were.
Was that 'personal' stuff of your earlier post in reference to us?
My name actually is Bruce, and i don't believe in giants.
Matter of fact, as a Patriots fan, I have a strong aversion to Giants.
I do like bourbon, but have recently been made aware that Jack Daniels isn't necessarily "real" bourbon.
So many issues
My name actually is Bruce, and i don't believe in giants.
Matter of fact, as a Patriots fan, I have a strong aversion to Giants.
I do like bourbon, but have recently been made aware that Jack Daniels isn't necessarily "real" bourbon.
So many issues
I am sure you have tried Woodford Reserve?
Good stuff.
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I though that we were having a civil discussion but apparently you are just another one that just wants to dictate & have your dictates accepted by all or perhaps you were just being a puppet for Neil.
'They' are 'posted' in my signature so as to explain why I am not responding to them should anyone wonder.
I'm sorry that I gave you the benefit of doubt.
If I have my hands up that many guys rears, I want proctologist pay!! (man oh man, I guess sometimes helping others is a crappy job)
Jeeeez it is one big conspiracy theory isn't it.
The grassy knoll comes to AZ.
Wow.
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The grassy knoll comes to AZ.
Wow.
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My name actually is Bruce, and i don't believe in giants.
Matter of fact, as a Patriots fan, I have a strong aversion to Giants.
I do like bourbon, but have recently been made aware that Jack Daniels isn't necessarily "real" bourbon.
So many issues
Thanks for the chuckle. I can use as many as can get here lately.:wink:
Please tell me you're joking.
No. I'm not joking but I thought you must have been.
Do you (or was it Neil) that honestly think posting a high speed video of a cue stroke proves anything.
But if you do some pause/play one can see that the butt end of the cue raises up about 3 inches. That means that the tip arcs down & you can see it if you look close BUT since his bridge length just about matches his back stroke length the tip is force back up as it nears his bridge. so in affect the whole cue has been lifted above where is was at address. Then he delivers the cue like in that video of Oyster's student so the cue fires down on the new angle. You can see it much better in Oyster's video.
Now.. since it is a high speed video you really can't see what the fast moving tip really does EXACTLY just prior to contact & certainly not during contact. BUT the tip goes dramatically down to the cloth as the hand goes to 90* & past.
So ... that video proves nothing & it certainly explains nothing.
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hmmm. applicable here?
“The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.”
― William Harwood, Dictionary of Contemporary Mythology
“The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.”
― William Harwood, Dictionary of Contemporary Mythology