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Not too bad, pretty good.
Your arm is still angled in toward your body & not straight down.
See Mike's comments.
Check out those elbow drops the only times your forearm was really visible on the :40 & 2:40 shots, especially the 2:40 shot.
I know, I know it was probably after contact but I'd guess that the tip went straight through on those.
Your arm is still angled in toward your body & not straight down.
See Mike's comments.
Check out those elbow drops the only times your forearm was really visible on the :40 & 2:40 shots, especially the 2:40 shot.
I know, I know it was probably after contact but I'd guess that the tip went straight through on those.
go straight towards the cue ball,
It appears to me right off that you aren't approaching the shot on the "line of the shot"....It looks like you are standing to the right, then stepping on a slight angle going in to each shot.
Try getting behind the "line of the shot" (just shoot straight in shots for this is necessary) and to down to the cue ball WITHOUT moving your head to the left.....go straight towards the cue ball, this will connect you to the shot much better and give you much more confidence in the process. imho
It appears to me right off that you aren't approaching the shot on the "line of the shot"....It looks like you are standing to the right, then stepping on a slight angle going in to each shot.
Try getting behind the "line of the shot" (just shoot straight in shots for this is necessary) and to down to the cue ball WITHOUT moving your head to the left.....go straight towards the cue ball, this will connect you to the shot much better and give you much more confidence in the process. imho
That was my argument against pro one. That and the fact that I don't believe it works in the way he says it does.
In the long run I think you are better off lining up on the line of the shot.
Well at least now you can fully admit you were just trolling the Aiming Section and Stan, and had no real interest in learning the system.
I did only miss one shot, and as already pointed out, was due to a flaw in the stroke.
I really don't want to hijack my own thread, so there's no need for you to reply. Let's keep the rest of the posts on topic.
How can I fix that?
No you are wrong. I was not trolling. You can trace my posts back to the beginning and you will find that my initial thoughts about CTE left me with two major concerns, both being what I mentioned in this thread. But I wanted to get more Information about the system before I made my final opinion. My questions to Stan were legit and an opinion that I feel has been formed based on an adequate investigation is complete. There is no need for me to go there anymore. My curiosity is satisfied.
Overall you look fine, when doing this type video analysis
I guess I haven't seen many "Pro 1" players, it doesn't make sense to start to to the right side and step diagnally. It would be like shooting a pistol and bringing it across the aiming line. Oh, well, if it works I guess it's ok.
The angle of your cue isn't ideal, but that's a tough one to adjust without a chain of body adjustments taking place.....it's slight, but would give you some advantages over how you're doing it now, I have a feeling you struggle with longer "draw" shots. You may want to experiment with cocking your wrist out, away from your body to see how that works for you.
Overall you look fine, when doing this type video analysis you need to be hitting a specific repertoire of shots and without seeing your feet positioning it's difficult to give a really helpful evaluation.
I"m not really sure what "speed" you play, do you have a league rating?
I guess I haven't seen many "Pro 1" players, it doesn't make sense to start to to the right side and step diagnally. It would be like shooting a pistol and bringing it across the aiming line. Oh, well, if it works I guess it's ok.
The angle of your cue isn't ideal, but that's a tough one to adjust without a chain of body adjustments taking place.....it's slight, but would give you some advantages over how you're doing it now, I have a feeling you struggle with longer "draw" shots. You may want to experiment with cocking your wrist out, away from your body to see how that works for you.
Overall you look fine, when doing this type video analysis you need to be hitting a specific repertoire of shots and without seeing your feet positioning it's difficult to give a really helpful evaluation.
I"m not really sure what "speed" you play, do you have a league rating?
which is why I don't do Pro1. I just use Hal Houle system. I just see center cue ball line up to either LE,LQ,CENTER,RQ AND RE onto different angles. I am alway on the shot line. I make sure my back foot is on the shot line and my right foot step offset. I don't think Pro1 is good to me. I try doing what Stan does and being offset 1st looking center to edge......i mean if we going to be offset 1st then looking so we gotta bend over every time to see center and I don't wanna do that. I stick with 2 aiming systems I got for myself. one that is for making all kind of shots and my other one is using edge of the cue ball to edge of object ball then pivot to center for hard cut shot.
I don't know the Pro One system but I couldn't imagine that it would include crowding your shooting arm with your torso over the line of the shot as CJ has pointed out that you are doing.
No matter how you slice it, your right arm will always be on the right side of your body. Forcing it under your torso will cause other potential issues, like turning your wrist under your cue and crooking your arm under your torso.
You are almost there with your stance but I think you need to stand just a little more to the left so your arm hangs straight down over the line of the shot. Right now, your right foot is to the right of the line of the shot and so is your right arm.
So many people, including instructors, have declared in this forum that it doesn't matter what you do with your feet as long as you can deliver the cue in a straight line. Yours is a classic example of how that statement is so untrue. You may be delivering the cue in a straight line but you are fighting your body's anatomy. So you have to work harder to keep your arm in line.
Depending on what you have to do to keep your arm straight, you could tire quicker or even cause some muscle strain over time.
Your rhythm around the table and stroke rhythm look very good. I think you are doing very well in that regard.
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Nearly every pro player on any stream or accustat tape routinely, whether they realize it or not, lines up with an offset and bends or turns into the shot line. It really surprises me that you are not aware of this occurrence, particularly since you primarily line up with offsets yourself.
You say you are unfamiliar with Pro One type players. You have to look no further than Efren, Ralph, Johnny, Francisco and the list is endless. Check out the Caras/ Mosconi match that is on AZ and watch Caras run his first 28. The movements of Pro One are nothing new.
Stan Shuffett
Stan:
That's because you're equating the classic Dr. Lance Perkins taught pool stance of "hips 45-degrees to the shot line" as indicative of an "offset." Sure, it makes sense, if while viewing the shot line, your body doesn't actually conform to that view (i.e. you're actually positioned 45-degrees in relation to it), so you "see" some kind of "sweep" or "offset" taking place. Stan, when you get into your shooting position, look at your feet (your right foot specifically, since you're a right-hander). Is your right foot pointed into the shotline (as in a snooker stance)? Or is it in the classic 45-degree angle to the shotline? I've watched you play, so I already know the answer.
However, please do not think that just because you see this "offset" taking place with a repositioning/resorting the body over the shot line, that it has anything to do with an "aiming system" being employed. You tried this in an earlier thread with a video from reknowned snooker coach Nic Barrow, but folks that actually know Nic's teachings (as I do) know that Nic doesn't employ any alternative aiming systems such as pivot-based aiming systems. He's a dyed in the wool Back-of-Ball (BoB) aimer as taught in snooker. Keeping on topic with pool, watch Tony Robles. You'll see some of the same movements that you attribute to "offsets," but careful -- Tony is a dyed in the wool ghostballer. (Tony's a good friend, and I'm very familiar with his teachings and his game.)
The fact remains that one's stroke arm is on one side of the body (one's stroke arm isn't growing out of his/her chest), and thus the body has to be positioned "to one side" of the shot -- most especially in the classic Lance Perkins pool stance. Even the square-shouldered-to-the-shotline snooker stance has to deal with the stroke arm on one side of the body, but does so in a way that is "top down" -- i.e. stepping *onto* the shotline (with that same foot pointed into the shotline, and not 45 degrees away from it) and folding the body over "on top of" the shotline. In the snooker stance, as many body/appendage joints are pointed *into* the shotline as possible, vs. the pool stance's 45-degrees thing. Thus, you'll see less of what you seem to be calling an "offset" with snooker players than you do with pool players.
Just FYI,
-Sean
100% agree with Fran's post -- especially the bolded part above. All too often, it's easy to get caught in the trap of "wanting to move over the shotline," and try to position the cue directly underneath the torso, crowding the shooting arm and forcing it into a "chicken wing" stroke, because one feels as though the cue must "come from under the chest."
Jon, I agree that your rhythm (both stroke as well as movements around the table) are very good. You're careful, but not excessively deliberate. You have a noticeable cadence around the table, and that's always a good thing. No "paralysis through analysis" with you! :thumbup2:
But you might want to look at the placement of your feet as Fran states. All too often, this necessary part of fundamentals is overlooked or glossed-over. Aiming systems can be a good thing, but remember, pool is an *execution-based* sport. Visuals are one thing; being able to execute on those visuals is quite another. Repeatability is the name of the game with fundamentals, and that includes placement of the feet. If your feet are not in the same place *every time* on every shot, you end up ever-so-slightly leaning one way or the other (varying between shots, even), and inconsistency creeps in.
You might want to make a part of your PSR to be aware of where your feet are in relation to the shot line. I know, I know, CTE/Pro1 says to position yourself according to the visuals, but what you see "up there" (i.e. your face) does not necessary correspond to where your feet are "down there." Not always is it true that "what the eyes see, is what the body does."
Hope this is helpful,
-Sean
Sean,
I am not equating anything that I do with Lance Perkins. My position at ball address is based on vision and not a 45. The 45 is great for some ball address positions but it's a position that I sometimes use as a reference only. The 45 is too limiting by itself.
My right foot is typically angled for balance. CTE is a visual system and does dictate feet positioning. So, feet placement is a separate matter from what one does visually with CTE PRO ONE. I like what you and CJ and Fran say about stance. I take notes all the time.
We will just have disagree about the connection of CTE offsets and aiming. If all CTE offsets are equal and when followed by a slight rotation to CCB result in a desireable overcut aim line, then that has everything to do with aiming and connecting with pockets. I can show you or anyone this in short time. And there will be no problem in experiencing what I have put forth. Move the pockets and the system does not work. Change the 2x1 table ratio and the system does not work.
CTE PRO ONE is all about a consistent, objective visual offset that is essentially a connector to pockets. I can demonstrate and teach this to anyone.....CTE is not just some conjured up offset that has zero to do with connecting to the pockets.
Anyway, your thoughts are much appreciated and I look forward to us working together on a table some day.
Stan Shuffett
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I wouldn't say I struggle that much with the long draw shots. I can definitely do them, but I'm not as consistent as I would like to be. I think I know exactly what you're talking about with the wrist as I've seen other players do it, so I'll give that a go.
Never played on a league in my life, so not sure what I'd be rated. I do know my personal highs though.
36 in 14.1
Multiple 8 and outs in 1pocket. I'd say my offense game is leaps and bounds ahead of my moving game.
I can beat the 6 ball ghost, and did run a 3 pack once in 9ball. Never ran more than a single in 10ball.
If I'm being modest, I'd say I'm probably a high C/low B level player.
What level are you seeking to reach and in what time frame?
....Then, the OP doesn't understand the system because he claims he's standing the way he is due to the CTE PRO ONE offset.
As high as I'm able to get with the limited amount of practice time I have (about 10-15 hours a week).