Biggest Gambler Busted By Casino

No casinos will arrest and charged dice players for "throwing" dice any certain way, just like the casinos cannot arrest and charge players for counting cards. The players only get arrested and charged because the casinos suspect cheating (swapping loaded dice, etc).

Your friend didn't tell you the whole thing. There's more to it than what he told you.

It seems like there are quite a few casino employees posting in this thread. Maybe they can verify this simple fact.

I think that's both arrested and sued:

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/oct/02/argentinian-dice-players-being-sued-wynn-resorts-a/

Kevin
 
The way you cheat at craps in a casino is to past post. When you win the dealer sees three small chips. What he don't see is the large chip underneath. When you lose the dealer gets three small chips.
Archie was good at that, most of the time.
 
The way you cheat at craps in a casino is to past post. When you win the dealer sees three small chips. What he don't see is the large chip underneath. When you lose the dealer gets three small chips.
Archie was good at that, most of the time.

So when Archie was getting Binions to lift their limits and print chips in order to keep up with him, the dealers and pit bosses were being sloppy and not paying attention during the pay-outs and collections?

Gosh I would have thought they would have been VERY vigilant. You learn something new everyday (especially here in AZland).

I also don't understand how your "cheat" works. How does the dealer missing the large chip on a winning pay-out benefit the player? And when you lose the dealer sweeps the chips right? So how does he "miss" the chip?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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Thanks. I knew it was one of them. Same principle I think that the reputation of Binion's was to take on all action no matter how high. Another part of the story was that they had to have chips made in 50k denominations for Archie's action iirc.

John, they did make special chips for him, thats true.
Heres the real story on how the Horseshoe USED to be. It was never a no limit joint, you had to come in and see either Benny or Jack and state what you wanted to do, they would tell you "Your first bets your limit". If you wanted a high limit, you had to bet it to get there, that was standard on the crap or wheel game in there, im not sure what they did with the 21 but i will just offer an opinion that it was the same way.
What kind of deal Archie made with them, i dont know but he had a limit also.

That place was a one of a kind and when the sister took over, it got ruined and is still ruined today, breaks my heart when i go in there.
The story from 1980 i think it was, was this guy came in and bet close to 1 million cash on the crap game and won it , he did it again a few years later for a similar amount and won, the third time he lost and then hung himself at the old Maxim if i remember right.
You could bet any amount but it had to be your first bet, that was your limit.
 
No casinos will arrest and charged dice players for "throwing" dice any certain way, just like the casinos cannot arrest and charge players for counting cards. The players only get arrested and charged because the casinos suspect cheating (swapping loaded dice, etc).

Your friend didn't tell you the whole thing. There's more to it than what he told you.

It seems like there are quite a few casino employees posting in this thread. Maybe they can verify this simple fact.

People have been arrested numerous time for sliding the dice, this is fact. Do the charges stick ? Most of the time, no. But the hassle they put you through is the main message they are looking to send.

I had an article from about 2 years ago about a guy sliding them at the Wynn and he got charged a few months later, was a big deal. Forget what the outcome was, but a few of the crew got fired for letting him get it on, he was georging it up for the crew so these dopes let it ride, lol.
You let some things ride, but this was so out of line, it aint even funny.
 
Indian casinos have the best security. When the cards are done they are put in bags and checked for irregularities. If found then the tapes are replayed to see who is not playing correctly. You might be able to walk out of the casino but a few weeks latter someone will knock on your door.
 
Yeah he was on the square until he wasn't. He was able to amass the fortune he had because he was willing to bet it all all the time. He was as broke as he was for the very same reason.

There are old pilots.

There are bold pilots.

There are no old bold pilots.

Check your rep. My Gramps was a rare exception. Won his officer-ship in an army craps game at age 17. Went on to get Congressional gold, Harmon trophy, and Distinguished Flying Cross. But Granma still kicked his 6'4" ass. Dean Cullen Smith. Bad mo fo. :D
 
Check your rep. My Gramps was a rare exception. Won his officer-ship in an army craps game at age 17. Went on to get Congressional gold, Harmon trophy, and Distinguished Flying Cross. But Granma still kicked his 6'4" ass. Dean Cullen Smith. Bad mo fo. :D

Look at you, respecting your Grandfather. Good for you. My green kick on your butt is on the way for making me smile with your love.

To be sure, plenty of guys that were pilots in war efforts and such were extremely bold. Hell, just getting in one of those planes at all was a brave move. Not too many of them got old doing it though.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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You will have to ask Archie how he did it or visit a magic shop.

The gimmick used to be a one hitter quiter usually with a $5000 chip on a roulette table. You walk up late and place two 10's on top of the $5000 at an angle that looks like three 10's. you place the bet on black, red, or one of the rows. If the bet wins you win, if the bet loses you act like you are unaware and you pick up your chips. The dealer tells you to put it back and so you use some slight of hand and replace them with three 10's with an apology.
 
The gimmick used to be a one hitter quiter usually with a $5000 chip on a roulette table. You walk up late and place two 10's on top of the $5000 at an angle that looks like three 10's. you place the bet on black, red, or one of the rows. If the bet wins you win, if the bet loses you act like you are unaware and you pick up your chips. The dealer tells you to put it back and so you use some slight of hand and replace them with three 10's with an apology.

That's a one-hitter for sure. To make the move work you have to pick up your chips on a loser before the sweep?

Kevin
 
That move is called the Savanna . No dealer thinks twice about picking 3 of the low units. Invented by Richard Marcus.
 
The gimmick used to be a one hitter quiter usually with a $5000 chip on a roulette table. You walk up late and place two 10's on top of the $5000 at an angle that looks like three 10's. you place the bet on black, red, or one of the rows. If the bet wins you win, if the bet loses you act like you are unaware and you pick up your chips. The dealer tells you to put it back and so you use some slight of hand and replace them with three 10's with an apology.

Lol, I said $10 chips, shows you how much I go into casino's these days.
 
I'll give everyone 1 shot to pull. You need to find BREAK IN dealers. Best area
is a new casino town, with fresh trained dealers. Also need to find a fast, action packed table.....


Walk up and call out 32 across, before a point is established (come out roll)
If the dealer books 32 across, and a number hits 4-5-6-8-9-10 you drop
3200.00, then call them all down, after you get paid, this is right before they ban you from the table..........

Call right before the dice's launch
Have 32 in one hand
3200 in the other

If any other number rolls' you drop 32

A experienced dealer will call NO BET! A new dealer, struggling to keep up with a FAST game might book it. The box man will pay you off, and ask you to please leave. It's a one shot deal.


I would never pull a shot like that, i was the one receiving these shots, years ago.
 
One unnamed pool player was caught on camera throwing the dice a certain way that would make them land on certain numbers. He/she had to go to court for it. I'm not sure how they did it, but there is a technique. :embarrassed2:

I cannot see how that is even possible. Every 2nd person throwing dice in the casino sets up the dice a certain way to try and increase their odds of the dice landing a certain way, that is an understood aspect of the game and as long as the dice hit the end wall the dealers are completely OK with it. If someone ended up being "too" good at throwing the dice then the most a casino might do is bar the player from playing craps or even kick them out of the casino, which is as much as they do these days with card counters as well because it is not actually illegal in any way.
 
I'll give everyone 1 shot to pull. You need to find BREAK IN dealers. Best area
is a new casino town, with fresh trained dealers. Also need to find a fast, action packed table.....


Walk up and call out 32 across, before a point is established (come out roll)
If the dealer books 32 across, and a number hits 4-5-6-8-9-10 you drop
3200.00, then call them all down, after you get paid, this is right before they ban you from the table..........

Call right before the dice's launch
Have 32 in one hand
3200 in the other

If any other number rolls' you drop 32

A experienced dealer will call NO BET! A new dealer, struggling to keep up with a FAST game might book it. The box man will pay you off, and ask you to please leave. It's a one shot deal.


I would never pull a shot like that, i was the one receiving these shots, years ago.

32 Across !! Lmao, you know how old that is ? Back in the day, most joints would just tell you to hit the road if you pulled that, and if you beefed they would make sure you were escorted to the door. Its a downtown move for sure, but youre correct though, if a crap dealer dont know you and you yell it out, they should say no bet.
 
The gimmick used to be a one hitter quiter usually with a $5000 chip on a roulette table. You walk up late and place two 10's on top of the $5000 at an angle that looks like three 10's. you place the bet on black, red, or one of the rows. If the bet wins you win, if the bet loses you act like you are unaware and you pick up your chips. The dealer tells you to put it back and so you use some slight of hand and replace them with three 10's with an apology.

Thats another move like someone else said by Richard Marcus, another self promotional idiot. He MAYBE got it on a few times, then got bounced.
Any floorman with half a brain would toss the guy as soon as he saw the bet and heard the claim story, another wannabe.

When it comes to the moves that were used to beat the joints,the general public and most of the half smarts dont even know what was what. And the worst and i mean the absolute worst are the magician idiots and the expose artists, none of them had the balls to make serious moves so they write about stuff they have no clue about.

Except one guy, and i aint naming him.
 
Earlier this month there was a similar thing that happened, a man was arrested in Connecticut for marking cards at the poker table. His name is Bruce Koloshi, 54.

Here is part of the story from the link below:


"He was the subject of a security bulletin issued two weeks earlier by officials in Louisiana. He had cheating convictions in Iowa and Nevada and was facing charges in Louisiana that he marked cards last month at the L'Auberge Casino in Baton Rouge.

After the surveillance officer spotted him, Koloshi was seen moving his hands away from the Mississippi Stud poker table, allegedly for the marking substance, and cameras detected the ink that wasn't visible to the naked eye. Koloshi wore special contact lenses to see the ink, authorities said. He was arrested and charged with cheating, conspiracy to commit larceny and being a fugitive from justice. His bond was set at $300,000.

When he was questioned in Louisiana, he surrendered $3,300 in winnings though authorities did not have enough evidence to charge him at the time, according to Capt. Doug Cain, a spokesman for Louisiana State Police. Mohegan Sun officials said Koloshi was arrested at their casino before winning a significant amount."



I thought it was kind of funny that although the State of Louisiana did not have enough evidence to charge him, they did have enough evidence to take his money. Usually if you get caught cheating playing poker in Louisiana, you just have to sit out a round.:D


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