Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN

The Renfro said:
I was not privy to the back and forth between them so I cannot speak to the reasons behind a confrontation... I applaud Johnny sticking to his guns if that is what it came down to... Looking at Walsh's post it appears more to be about ego and wanting the checks to have had his name on them but there is the rub of only piecing together events from speculation and innuendo....

I can see where asking for the funds to be xferred to Barry's account could be perceived as a move but to conclude that it was going to be for a plan to stiff the players and staff again you would have to see into his intentions... most don't own a crystal ball......

I am sure at some point the complete story will surface but until then I will wait with bait on my breath.....

Chris
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It seems like these DETAILS you speak of would have been discussed PRIOR to abp and archer getting involved! I also find it hard to believe the LEGAL COUNCIL for ABP gave the green light to the ABP escrowing the money after the BCA held escrow in prior years with negative results!!!

KD
 
NYC cue dude said:
Except Jay and I aren't anonymous posters, unlike you. In fact, we have a fairly long and respectable track record in the industry. If we aren't telling the truth (and I have had no contact with Jay on this subject) we have something to lose. You on the other hand, can post without fear of tarnishing your good name, bless you'd like to share that with us.
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The two of you lost credibility just by speaking about something that nobody can confirm.

Whether it's true or not, nobody will confirm, therefore why even bring it up?

The two of you are just like me, nothing to lose. He said, she said.

The fact is, the players got paid. Are you saying they didn't? I enjoy the Open as a spectator and will continue to do so. You guys speak of it as something more personal.
 
please correct me if i'm wrong, but the last thing i remember was asking @ JAM's thread a week ago, the shortage of players - and how that would/could/should affect the $175K payout posted.

so they got shorted?
(albeit paid)
 
NYC cue dude said:
No one is disputing the earned money was paid out. There was something that happened before the checks were dispensed that was completely reprehensible. The money was only paid after Johnny had to spit blood and force Barry to pay. Johnny should share those events publically.
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So you two are not disputing about players being paid or not. It's something else that happened before?

Did somebody sleep with somebody's wife?

Did they run out of beer?

No toilet paper in the bathroom?

Did Barry blackmailed Johnny?

Who cares. The point is they got paid and nobody cares how it was done. The money was already held in escrow.

If you want to thank Johnny and others for actually getting the money in escrow, so last year didn't happen than fine but to bring up something as irrelevant of what happened before is pointless.

I don't think the players will care. All they want is their money and play for the title and they got that this year.
 
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PINKLADY said:
please correct me if i'm wrong, but the last thing i remember was asking @ JAM's thread a week ago, the shortage of players - and how that would/could/should affect the $175K payout posted.

so they got shorted?
(albeit paid)
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Next year is going to be amazing if they fill up to 256. A lot of money and international players will hopefully show up.
 
dom_poppa said:
Next year is going to be amazing if they fill up to 256. A lot of money and international players will hopefully show up.
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thanks, but can you answer my question?

that's what was posted originally - 256 @ $500: $128K plus additional $50K.
if what i quoted previously is true, then isn't that Breech?

if the fans don't come (and my 6 men were there last week dropping $$$$), then there's no overage for the promoters, based on these #s.
 
dom_poppa said:
The two of you lost credibility just by speaking about something that nobody can confirm.

Whether it's true or not, nobody will confirm, therefore why even bring it up?

The two of you are just like me, nothing to lose. He said, she said.

The fact is, the players got paid. Are you saying they didn't? I enjoy the Open as a spectator and will continue to do so. You guys speak of it as something more personal.
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You asked, why was it brought up. In case you missed this previous post I made,
"Go back and read my original comment in this thread, 2 or 3 days ago. I had called on Johnny to make public the truth of what happened. I felt it was going to be in his best interest because the incident was going to get out eventually and he was going to appear foolish at that time. I also said it wasn't my place to give the details. I left it alone for quite some time. Then, jay confirmed it. There was a significant incident at the US open. Johnny should share the truth of what happened."

This should explain why.

Furthermore, something serious happened during the Open, before the checks were dispensed. At great risk to himself, Johnny made sure that Barry paid what was owed. Johnny has an obligation, IMO, to share with the public what occurred.
 
NYC cue dude said:
....Furthermore, something serious happened during the Open, before the checks were dispensed. At great risk to himself, Johnny made sure that Barry paid what was owed. Johnny has an obligation, IMO, to share with the public what occurred.
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the players & vendors & fans alike, come out-of-pocket, for an event. if there is risk of non-payment / no shows / cancellations, then all are affected.
 
nb92 said:
but if not Barry who?

Mark has thrown in the towel on running anymore US Opens (10 ball, 8 ball, 1 pkt) because he doesn't like dealing with the pros anymore... I am not sure if Mark is willing to lease the naming rights but if he isn't then the LAST US Open 10 Ball, 8 Ball and 1 Pckt champions have been crowned........

Barry has put up with the pros for 38 years.. the pros have put up with Barry for 38 years..

Diamond is keeping the DCC but Tunica is dead....

Ultimate 10 Ball dead....

Mark might do some invite only tournaments (so better stay on his good side!)...

If he wanted too Barry could cap the field at 64 and hold it at Q-Masters......

So who exactly is fighting for the chance to run the event for the NEXT 38 years that is not getting the chance because Barry owns the name? Lets have the names. Who are these people that WANT to take it over, IF only they had the chance. (not who COULD do it.. but who WANTS to do it..) Anyone?
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Has Diamond posted something saying Tunica is dead?
 
All I've seen on this board since I joined earlier this year was worry about whether the players would get paid on time this year. Now that they were,the same b*tchers move onto other stuff,like unsubstantiated rumors about blah blah blah. I see the word "nit" used a lot on here. Well,this thread is full of nits.

jay helfert said:
I apologize for my tone with you. But I must respectfully disagree that everything went smoothly, when I KNOW it did not! I'm not talking about the past either. I'm speaking about this year! I do not want any event to fail, you're dead wrong about that. But if not for the efforts of Dennis, Johnny and Art, things may well have looked just like past years at the Open. And it wasn't all smooth sailing either, contrary to what some on here would have you believe.

I will continue to speak up on behalf of our sport and be a voice for fairness and honesty. If someone has a problem with that so be it.
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Respectfully, Jay, didn't you state, in this thread an others, that you were not there? If that is the case, then, well, all you "know," is heresay. In a court of law, that and $5 will get you a sandwich at Subway.
 
PINKLADY said:
please correct me if i'm wrong, but the last thing i remember was asking @ JAM's thread a week ago, the shortage of players - and how that would/could/should affect the $175K payout posted.

so they got shorted?
(albeit paid)
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256 x 500 = 128000

135,000 - 128,000 = 7,000 Added Money! not $50,000 as advertised!!!

170 x 500 = 85000 135,000 - 85,000= $50,000 added as advertised!!!

pinklady's photo of the prize money breakdown is important!!! payout of $175,000 posted ???


Based on my math money is funny!!

i added it ALL up and get $131,400 prize fund not $135,000 like on poster!!! 85,000 from 170 players $131,400 - 85,000= $46,400 added not 50,000 as advertised

30,000
15,000
10,000
7,000
2 x 5000 =10,000
2x 3500=7000
4 x 2500= 10000
4 x 1900=7600
7 x 1400= 9800
7 x 1000=7000
15 x 700 = 10500
15 x 500=7500

$131,400
kd
 
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dom_poppa said:
The thing that everyone is arguing about is whether the players got paid and they did. It's a tournament for players to entertain the spectators and win some money doing it. The players got paid.

We are not here to judge if the tournament was profitable or if it lost money. Just like we go to a restaurant to eat a nice dinner and we are not concerned how he pays his employees or staff.

I find it sad that people have to bring up employees that were hired to work a the tournament. If they didn't get paid that is between Barry and his staff. I'm sure the players don't care about it either. They want to get paid.

The bashing of Barry is about paying players and he paid.

Should we now bring up the fact that he doesn't pay his credit card on time, water bill and PG&E.
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And I find it sad that you only read what you want to read, not what was posted. I stated that people are saying it was a successful Open just because the players got paid. There is a lot more to it than just the players getting paid to make it successful. Obviously, you only care about the players. Why, I don't know. But, to have another one, all of it has to be successful. Even the parts you don't want to look at.
 
NYC cue dude said:
Furthermore, something serious happened during the Open, before the checks were dispensed. At great risk to himself, Johnny made sure that Barry paid what was owed. Johnny has an obligation, IMO, to share with the public what occurred.
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He has no obligation and will not intend to do so, in my opinion.

You don't bite the hand(Barry) that feeds you. Also, if something went down, do you honestly think Johnny is going to come out and admit it. It would make him look like a fool. Nothing is going to come out, regardless if anything happened or not.
 
Neil said:
And I find it sad that you only read what you want to read, not what was posted. I stated that people are saying it was a successful Open just because the players got paid. There is a lot more to it than just the players getting paid to make it successful. Obviously, you only care about the players. Why, I don't know. But, to have another one, all of it has to be successful. Even the parts you don't want to look at.
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This thread and most of the pool community's concern IS whether the players will get paid. They did and I believe that makes it a successful tournament.

Now whether Barry made money or lost money, is not of our concern, in determining whether it was a success. From the standpoint of competition and prize it was a great success and we have a back to back champion.

Just like I mentioned before, we go to a restaurant and eat a fabulous dinner. We shouldn't be concerned whether the landlord is charging the owner too much money for rent or care how much money the restaurant or tournament is making in determining success.

As a spectator/customer it was a success. We are not here to judge the other stuff.
 
spktur said:
Has Diamond posted something saying Tunica is dead?
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To the best of my knowledge, Diamond has not.

However, I spoke with someone today who I feel to be highly and intimately familiar with these issues and I can tell you with a high degree of confidence that Tunica, otherwise known as the Southern Classic, will not return in 2014.

The US Open 10Ball and 8Ball will also not return in 2014.

The US Open 1Pocket may return in a modified, relocated, and rescheduled form in 2014.

Lou Figueroa
 
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