NO Match for Harriman/Schmidt

Dont know who str8shots are but if I see anything with that name make sure I dont buy. Thanks str8shots
 
I read the 40 something page thread on the match between these two but never read what the bad blood stems from? Why do they dislike each other?
 
so basically Str8shots squashes the match, just to drum up conflict so they can then put on a PPV between the same two players.

And screw TAR out of the money they wouldve received instead.

I hope Harriman says no and sticks it in ya Str8shots.
 
2andOUT said:
so basically Str8shots squashes the match, just to drum up conflict so they can then put on a PPV between the same two players.

And screw TAR out of the money they wouldve received instead.

I hope Harriman says no and sticks it in ya Str8shits.
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Here I fixed it for ya
 
Apparently this didn't go over well.

Regardless of the explanation provided for not wanting their contract player to play, it does look like if they aren't the ones profiting or getting a cut, they won't allow it to happen.

At this point, it will be difficult to convince the masses otherwise.

If a person is under contract, their is a certain decorum that they must adhere to, but if anyone stepped in the way of myself possibly making a few thousand, it would be a short lived contract.

If you are signed with a Pro Hockey Team, of course you don't play for another team when you are on days off but this is pool. Players still have to go where the pay day is.

Is this the first and last time it will happen to John or will this be the start of a rocky relationship.
 
man i just dont get some of you guys. all i ever hear on here any more is " whats wrong with pool ".

ya'll pissed because you are not going to see the train wreck you were hoping for between these 2 players. much like people want to see earl " hoping he goes off " on one of his tirades.

now ya'll on here bashing a woman who is trying to clean up the image of pool.

in case you dont know it john is contracted along with karen corr and others under str8shots.

it is her biz to run it any way she sees fit. she is heavily involved in jr leagues and donates to charities and our military perssonel as well. her players are under contract to do shows for jr leagues " and i am not trying to speak for her " it seems that she does not think this match between john and danny is not good for the image she wants her contracted players to portray.

as for them trying to cut tar outa the picture mark cantrill " who works for str8shots" was trying to put this match together before he realized the bad blood between john and danny.

i may be wrong but according to the dates posted on here tar offered to put on the match after mark was already working on it. so tell me who is trying to cut out who. remember tar said after the last matchup between them he would never do another but i guess $ signs changed his mind.

now talk about taking care of pro pool players, she said she would compensate john for the lost revenue of this match. john said part of it would go to charity. class act by both of them.

speaking of charity , world pro stuck his nose in it with john. john said he would play worldpro for a 1,000.00 and if he won it would all go to charity, again another class act by john. as for the remark about john being a puppet for str8shots i like the influence that organization is having on him.

as for the remark about danny being compensated for the lost revenue also. i have yat ro see his response that he would play. how can you expect some one to be compensated for a match that they have never agreed to ?
 
Str8 Shots said:
It has been brought to our attention that there are multiple threads about a possible Schmidt /Harriman match. We know Mark Cantrill started working on this match a couple of days ago and that he has spoken to both players. We were informed last night by Mark Cantrill that both players had agreed verbally with him to do the match. We were told a few hours ago that TAR came in and also made an offer to host the Schmidt /Harriman match.

When Mark Cantrill set about putting this match together, he really had no idea that the level of hostility that existed between the two players was so intense. It did not become apparent until late yesterday afternoon. At that time that he contacted us and shared what he had learned.

Marc and I spent several hours last night and again this afternoon discussing this match. A few minutes ago we had a conference call with both Mark Cantrill and John Schmidt. During that conversation we explained to John Schmidt, who is a Str8 Shots signed player that we did not feel this match was in line with the direction that Str8 Shots intends to take the players, the team, or the company. We understand why this match is such a hot topic and why it would be an exceptional PPV event. The reasons that make this match so attractive to those that would buy it, are the very reasons we feel it is not in John’s best interest.

We chose several professional players to be a part of team Str8 Shots because they are all great people. Every one of them has a contract with us. In that contract it states that they will get permission from Str8 Shots management before engaging in activities, or aligning themselves, with individuals or activities that could be potentially harmful to their images, the company’s image, or the industry’s image.

When we plan matches, we have a purpose for them above and beyond providing the players with opportunities to test their skills or generate some additional income. Our opinion is that this match only serves to create additional animosity between these players and that is not what we want for any player; whether they are associated with this company or not.

We understand that both offers made to the men provided them with the potential to make several thousand dollars. We are also aware that the money to be made off of this PPV match by Str8 Shots or TAR could be quite substantial. That being said, we have asked John Schmidt NOT to do this match. John Schmidt will be compensated by Str8 Shots for the potential loss of income. He has generously offered to donate a portion of those monies to the Str8 Shots Juniors program.

Thank you for your time. I hope you all have a wonderful evening.

Kimberly Griffiths
(877)921 -9511 ext. 121
kimberly@str8-shots.com
www.str8-shots.com
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Kim:

1) No one on planet earth has a clue who you are or what Str8 Shots is. Therefore, this PPV can't possibly tarnish your direction or rep.

2) The sole purpose of this match is NOT to create additional animosity. It's a tie breaker of one of the best rivalries ever in our sport. Every single elite rivalry in any sport involved animosity. Saying you don't want Schmidt to walk into the heat of battle while being associated with your company is like having Nike tell the public they don't want Tiger to match-up with Adam Scott because words might be said.

3) Earth to Kim: The revenue to be collected off this PPV will NOT be substantial. In fact, TAR is taking a huge risk just to cover their nut. There's NO such thing as substantial revenue in PPV in the pool sector. In fact, it's almost never worth the hassle and it's more of a labor of love than a revenue stream. Ask me how I know this.

4) You're coming across as someone who "Thinks" there's a lot of money to be made by TAR with a player that you're sponsoring, so you put the kabash on it hoping to produce it yourself. This is a huge mistake because a) there's no money to be made b) you're committing corporate brand suicide by looking jealous of TAR over money that isn't being made c) The ONLY audience for this match is the AZB population and no one will buy it if you produce it because it's TAR'S to produce. They've earned that right by producing the first two. Don't be the noob who shows up out of nowhere and talks like they're Jack Welch when they run the smallest unknown outfit in billiards. Be the noob who supports the sport by not getting in the way of the players. It's NOT about Str8 Shots
... it's about the players. You're along for the ride, not the other way around.

5) You have illusions of grandeur thinking this match is bad for your company. You NEED this match to take place. Otherwise, your brand will be remembered as the company that squashed a great match over BS nonsense.


If this were football, I'd be telling you the NFL stands for NOT FOR LONG when you make these shit calls.

Sorry for the brutal straight talk, but someone needs to talk sense to you since your crew clearly isn't. I'm hoping you sleep this one off and wake up tomorrow and take a mulligan with this whiff of a corporate decision.

Good luck with Str8 Shots....you'll need it with these calls.



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lorider said:
man i just dont get some of you guys. all i ever hear on here any more is " whats wrong with pool ".

ya'll pissed because you are not going to see the train wreck you were hoping for between these 2 players. much like people want to see earl " hoping he goes off " on one of his tirades.

now ya'll on here bashing a woman who is trying to clean up the image of pool.

in case you dont know it john is contracted along with karen corr and others under str8shots.

it is her biz to run it any way she sees fit. she is heavily involved in jr leagues and donates to charities and our military perssonel as well. her players are under contract to do shows for jr leagues " and i am not trying to speak for her " it seems that she does not think this match between john and danny is not good for the image she wants her contracted players to portray.

as for them trying to cut tar outa the picture mark cantrill " who works for str8shots" was trying to put this match together before he realized the bad blood between john and danny.

i may be wrong but according to the dates posted on here tar offered to put on the match after mark was already working on it. so tell me who is trying to cut out who. remember tar said after the last matchup between them he would never do another but i guess $ signs changed his mind.

now talk about taking care of pro pool players, she said she would compensate john for the lost revenue of this match. john said part of it would go to charity. class act by both of them.

speaking of charity , world pro stuck his nose in it with john. john said he would play worldpro for a 1,000.00 and if he won it would all go to charity, again another class act by john. as for the remark about john being a puppet for str8shots i like the influence that organization is having on him.

as for the remark about danny being compensated for the lost revenue also. i have yat ro see his response that he would play. how can you expect some one to be compensated for a match that they have never agreed to ?
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People aren't upset because they wanted to see John and Danny fight.

They're upset, because now they don't get to see two great players play great pool.
 
As was stated by someone before, the reason for this or any match is not because the players don't like each other...it is because people want to see great pool. I wouldn't watch two bangers just because there was animosity. Both of these matches were top flight pool. If I wanted the animosity I would just watch two guys fight.

I really hope this match can get played. If Schmidt is under contract and isn't allowed then there's nothing any of us can do. With that being said, based on their stance, if str8shots at some point in the future tries to put on this match I will not be giving any money to support it. Justin and TAR have proven themselves to this market and str8shots has started off on a bad foot.

It seems based on the comments from the original post and the actions of Mark by starting this matchup again that they are intending to set up PPV matches with their team. Right now I doubt that I will support them in that endeavor. I will stick to supporting TAR.

Let's move on to SVB and Corey next weekend and leave str8shots to their own devices.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Apparently this didn't go over well.

Regardless of the explanation provided for not wanting their contract player to play, it does look like if they aren't the ones profiting or getting a cut, they won't allow it to happen.

At this point, it will be difficult to convince the masses otherwise.

If a person is under contract, their is a certain decorum that they must adhere to, but if anyone stepped in the way of myself possibly making a few thousand, it would be a short lived contract.

If you are signed with a Pro Hockey Team, of course you don't play for another team when you are on days off but this is pool. Players still have to go where the pay day is.

Is this the first and last time it will happen to John or will this be the start of a rocky relationship.
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hey hog.. did you read he is being paid what he would have made in this match not to play it ?he aint out nothing, in fact he is being paid not to play, who can gripe about that.

like i said in my other post , it seems to be about the image they are trying to portray.

can you imagine john going to a jr league seminar and working with kids who may have seen a match between him and danny with a lot of fvck you moments during the match? not exactly the image str8shots seems to want their players under contract to portray.
 
lorider said:
hey hog.. did you read he is being paid what he would have made in this match not to play it ?he aint out nothing, in fact he is being paid not to play, who can gripe about that.

like i said in my other post , it seems to be about the image they are trying to portray.

can you imagine john going to a jr league seminar and working with kids who may have seen a match between him and danny with a lot of fvck you moments during the match? not exactly the image str8shots seems to want their players under contract to portray.
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That would be some what true if:
1) they paid Danny too
2) Kim didn't start her post out by saying that they tried to make this match happen days before TAR did.

She flip-flopped on her own vomit.
 
lorider said:
hey hog.. did you read he is being paid what he would have made in this match not to play it ?he aint out nothing, in fact he is being paid not to play, who can gripe about that.

like i said in my other post , it seems to be about the image they are trying to portray.

can you imagine john going to a jr league seminar and working with kids who may have seen a match between him and danny with a lot of fvck you moments during the match? not exactly the image str8shots seems to want their players under contract to portray.
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Allow me to translate the PR propaganda:

Str8 Shots is not paying John anything. His contract states he needs Kim's permission. The contract doesn't state she has to offset his opportunity revenue, just based on how she worded her post. The story about John donating it is nonsense.... she pays him and he donates it back to her - nets zero. Good PR on a forum, but utter nonsense to anyone with half a brain reading the post.

Sent from my Galaxy S4
 
lorider said:
man i just dont get some of you guys. all i ever hear on here any more is " whats wrong with pool ".

ya'll pissed because you are not going to see the train wreck you were hoping for between these 2 players. much like people want to see earl " hoping he goes off " on one of his tirades.

now ya'll on here bashing a woman who is trying to clean up the image of pool.

in case you dont know it john is contracted along with karen corr and others under str8shots.

it is her biz to run it any way she sees fit. she is heavily involved in jr leagues and donates to charities and our military perssonel as well. her players are under contract to do shows for jr leagues " and i am not trying to speak for her " it seems that she does not think this match between john and danny is not good for the image she wants her contracted players to portray.

as for them trying to cut tar outa the picture mark cantrill " who works for str8shots" was trying to put this match together before he realized the bad blood between john and danny.

i may be wrong but according to the dates posted on here tar offered to put on the match after mark was already working on it. so tell me who is trying to cut out who. remember tar said after the last matchup between them he would never do another but i guess $ signs changed his mind.

now talk about taking care of pro pool players, she said she would compensate john for the lost revenue of this match. john said part of it would go to charity. class act by both of them.

speaking of charity , world pro stuck his nose in it with john. john said he would play worldpro for a 1,000.00 and if he won it would all go to charity, again another class act by john. as for the remark about john being a puppet for str8shots i like the influence that organization is having on him.

as for the remark about danny being compensated for the lost revenue also. i have yat ro see his response that he would play. how can you expect some one to be compensated for a match that they have never agreed to ?
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I'm not sure if I've seen more junior leagues or purple unicorns in my life. It's pretty close.

How about John donate Kim's generous duck-money to St. Judes Children's Hospital. Let's turn this into a real donation and not an imaginary one.

John's one of my very favorite players and is a vicious competitor. I know deep down he's either embarrassed or this entire thing was conjured up because he didn't want to play Danny because of the stress and drama it'd bring.

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Most companies that are pool related start ups need to keep a good relationship with AZB members. This won't be the first company that has been sent away in flames. Very poor judgment. She should let this match go on and THEN make it clear that she will be the judge of when and where her contracted players play. I know you feel it's all right and legal to stop this match with TAR. But this is pool baby, not the corporate world. You better learn that quick, but it's probably way too late for that now. Good luck with biz...NOT.

Does anyone have a list of players under contract with her company?
And Mark...Joining up with str8 will be good for pool? I think not. Johnnyt
 
Well John did express his good fortune with your group so I guess he will let you speak for him. I was aghast that the head bottle washer (self described) came on the forum "lookinf or Harrinan" unbeknownst to the boss. I was figuring JCIN was expecting to try to close this finally after seeing John being affable. Props to him. Why not just take a slice of the PPV instead of being such a Buzz kill. Folks can get over their differences you know. Big props to Schmidt for his attitude and words for Chamberlain and his willingness to match up with Harriman again.

He probably has found a more accurate ferrule laser.
 
Wow this is like pacquiao and mayweather finally happening but a management team pulling out because they're worried someone might say something mean.
 
Johnnyt said:
Does anyone have a list of players under contract with her company?
And Mark...Joining up with str8 will be good for pool? I think not. Johnnyt
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John Schmidt
Jayson Shaw
Karen Corr
Eleanor Collado
Nick Varner

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