Pathetic Shark
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As long as it's fair to both sides, who cares?
Rodney Morris Challenges the Top 25 European Players
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As long as it's fair to both sides, who cares?
I believe it's a conflict of interest and should be fully disclosed or prohibited
I believe it's a conflict of interest, and should at least be disclosed publicly and at the strictest should be prohibited. No player should get preferential treatment unless everyone knows who it is and why.....I really don't care if the #1 - #4 (or whomever) gets a bye first round or play later in the day, but it should be publically stated.
Especially with Refs that may have direct influence on matches.....or Promoters that seed players or can influence draws.....I know this goes on, but should not be allowed without full disclosure and the draws should ALWAYS be publically done....none of this "behind closed doors" business......this wasn't allowed when I was playing all the time, they did it right out in front of everyone (there may have been exceptions that I'm not aware of).
I believe it's a conflict of interest, and should at least be disclosed publicly and at the strictest should be prohibited. No player should get preferential treatment unless everyone knows who it is and why.....I really don't care if the #1 - #4 (or whomever) gets a bye first round or play later in the day, but it should be publically stated.
Especially with Refs that may have direct influence on matches.....or Promoters that seed players or can influence draws.....I know this goes on, but should not be allowed without full disclosure and the draws should ALWAYS be publically done....none of this "behind closed doors" business......this wasn't allowed when I was playing all the time, they did it right out in front of everyone (there may have been exceptions that I'm not aware of).
let's not try to create problems where there are none. LoL
That's exactly right!
Bowlers don't want to look to make sure the pins are setting perfectly, they just take if for granted that it's fair as possible and try to make a strike.......if any Pro player complains about not getting to look at the rack they should be barred permanently.
This situation is exactly fair for both players, let's not try to create potential problems where there none even exist. LoL
That's exactly right!
Bowlers don't want to look to make sure the pins are setting perfectly, they just take if for granted that it's fair as possible and try to make a strike.......if any Pro player complains about not getting to look at the rack they should be barred permanently.
This situation is exactly fair for both players, let's not try to create potential problems where there none even exist. LoL
That's exactly right!
Bowlers don't want to look to make sure the pins are setting perfectly, they just take if for granted that it's fair as possible and try to make a strike.......if any Pro player complains about not getting to look at the rack they should be barred permanently.
This situation is exactly fair for both players, let's not try to create potential problems where there none even exist. LoL
You sure are blind to a lot about the game for someone that's always preaching "real eyes".
That's exactly right!
Bowlers don't want to look to make sure the pins are setting perfectly, they just take if for granted that it's fair as possible and try to make a strike.......if any Pro player complains about not getting to look at the rack they should be barred permanently.
This situation is exactly fair for both players, let's not try to create potential problems where there none even exist. LoL
Seriously bro?!
Now you're comparing the setting of pins in bowling (which is done by a freakin' machine, by the way), to a human racking the balls in pool. The professional bowler doesn't have to take anything for granted. They are going to have the same set up each and every single time.
Has anyone went back and looked at the Mosconi Cup footage to see?
Do you really think the rack makes that much of a difference if the Referee is trying to rack them well? So the Mosconi Cup could be rigged because the players don't look at the rack?
Has anyone went back and looked at the Mosconi Cup footage to see how many players check the rack before breaking each time......I'm sure they would want to get that advantage......if there is one.....but guess what........
You won't find one Champion player that will agree with you, sorry, that's the facts. If a Referee is honestly trying to rack them well, it will make 0% difference......no advantage either way for the players.
Please prove me wrong, get one player that's ever won a major tournament to agree that it makes any difference and I'll admit I'm wrong.....just one player, sure there's one.
Good luck, you're' going to have an easier time finding a dead ball in a 6 Ball Rack.
Do you really think the rack makes that much of a difference if the Referee is trying to rack them well? So the Mosconi Cup could be rigged because the players don't look at the rack?
Has anyone went back and looked at the Mosconi Cup footage to see how many players check the rack before breaking each time......I'm sure they would want to get that advantage......if there is one.....but guess what........
You won't find one Champion player that will agree with you, sorry, that's the facts. If a Referee is honestly trying to rack them well, it will make 0% difference......no advantage either way for the players.
Please prove me wrong, get one player that's ever won a major tournament to agree that it makes any difference and I'll admit I'm wrong.....just one player, sure there's one.
Good luck, you're' going to have an easier time finding a dead ball in a 6 Ball Rack.
Do you really think the rack makes that much of a difference if the Referee is trying to rack them well? So the Mosconi Cup could be rigged because the players don't look at the rack?
Has anyone went back and looked at the Mosconi Cup footage to see how many players check the rack before breaking each time......I'm sure they would want to get that advantage......if there is one.....but guess what........
You won't find one Champion player that will agree with you, sorry, that's the facts. If a Referee is honestly trying to rack them well, it will make 0% difference......no advantage either way for the players.
Please prove me wrong, get one player that's ever won a major tournament to agree that it makes any difference and I'll admit I'm wrong.....just one player, sure there's one.
Good luck, you're' going to have an easier time finding a dead ball in a 6 Ball Rack.
See, you are what others refer to as "unteachable". People spell it out for you, but you don't have "ears to hear". You already think you know it all, so any new information you dismiss without even really hearing what others are saying. You are so close minded and stuck in your thinking, that you STILL are equating a less than perfect rack with the rack being "rigged". You just don't "get it", because you are too full of yourself to even listen to what others are saying with an open mind.
You keep saying "real eyes", and "the game is the teacher", but, you refuse to listen to what the game is saying to you. You have "your way" of doing things, and always want to dismiss everything else about the game. You are the only "teacher" I have ever seen that is unwilling to learn anything themselves.
Please teach me something, what do you have in mind?
Please teach me something, what do you have in mind?
I'm an open book to your vast wisdom, don't, Neil, hold back, let your knowledge flow.
'The ? is the Teacher'
Please teach me something, what do you have in mind?
I'm an open book to your vast wisdom, don't, Neil, hold back, let your knowledge flow.
'The ? is the Teacher'
I know you said that only as a smart-ass comment. However, try doing what you dismissed in the past and since then....get Joe Tuckers Racking Secrets, and you will learn what he, and we, are talking about. Those gaps, even those unintentional gaps, those inevitable gaps, can mean something if you learn how to utilize them properly.
Second, try actually READING what others say. Don't just dismiss most of it like you always do. Just because you did good for a few years, does NOT equate to you knowing all there is about pool. There is MUCH you can and should learn if you want to be a good teacher. That's not an insult in the least. Just a fact. REAL EYES it. You could become a great teacher if you want to.
Thanks again, Joe, (if you read this) I appreciate you sharing your vision
So you're teaching me to seek out Joe Tucker's Racking Secrets? Thanks, I really appreciate you teaching me that, it will certainly help me "real eyes" some things.
He did give me one of his videos, as a matter of fact he gave me his second one too. Wow, I just looked and noticed he also sent me his video on Pocket Billiard Drills too.
Both were really well done, and Joe was around back in the 90's tournaments passing out free racking/playing information - he's always been a great student of the Game....as we all were, after all "the game is the teacher".....hmmm, that has a nice ring to it.
Many of us had the chance to learn {some of} his information before the videos, I remember seeing Joe at our Major Tournaments back in the 90s, and could tell he knew his stuff.
We actually shared 2 hours of pool conversation when he was in Ft. Worth around two months ago and it was intense - he's a super nice, and knowledgeable man. We both share the same aspiration for the positive future of Pocket Billiards, and I will always help him anyway I can if requested.
Thanks again, Joe, (if you read this) I appreciate you sharing your vision with your new game and I see it's starting to catch on. I hope you enjoyed my demonstration on the art of 'Two Shot Shoot Out' (excuse my passion for explaining the intricacies of that game), I can get carried away showing all the cool shots that come up......maybe one day we can join forces and put a few of our concepts together. 'The Game is Our Teacher'
So you're teaching me to seek out Joe Tucker's Racking Secrets? Thanks, I really appreciate you teaching me that, it will certainly help me "real eyes" some things.
He did give me one of his videos, as a matter of fact he gave me his second one too. Wow, I just looked and noticed he also sent me his video on Pocket Billiard Drills too.
Both were really well done, and Joe was around back in the 90's tournaments passing out free racking/playing information - he's always been a great student of the Game....as we all were, after all "the game is the teacher".....hmmm, that has a nice ring to it.
Many of us had the chance to learn {some of} his information before the videos, I remember seeing Joe at our Major Tournaments back in the 90s, and could tell he knew his stuff.
We actually shared 2 hours of pool conversation when he was in Ft. Worth around two months ago and it was intense - he's a super nice, and knowledgeable man. We both share the same aspiration for the positive future of Pocket Billiards, and I will always help him anyway I can if requested.
Thanks again, Joe, (if you read this) I appreciate you sharing your vision with your new game and I see it's starting to catch on. I hope you enjoyed my demonstration on the art of 'Two Shot Shoot Out' (excuse my passion for explaining the intricacies of that game), I can get carried away showing all the cool shots that come up......maybe one day we can join forces and put a few of our concepts together. 'The Game is Our Teacher'
Do you really think the rack makes that much of a difference if the Referee is trying to rack them well? So the Mosconi Cup could be rigged because the players don't look at the rack?
Has anyone went back and looked at the Mosconi Cup footage to see how many players check the rack before breaking each time......I'm sure they would want to get that advantage......if there is one.....but guess what........
You won't find one Champion player that will agree with you, sorry, that's the facts. If a Referee is honestly trying to rack them well, it will make 0% difference......no advantage either way for the players.
Please prove me wrong, get one player that's ever won a major tournament to agree that it makes any difference and I'll admit I'm wrong.....just one player, sure there's one.
Good luck, you're' going to have an easier time finding a dead ball in a 6 Ball Rack.
Ask and you shall receive.
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Brandon Shuff standing right next to the ref as he's racking the balls. Even though the camera is on Dechaine, I'm certain Shuff wasn't standing there to socialize with the ref, and did check the rack. You would know for sure though. You were there, after all.
One thing that's not a good practice in life is creating problems
They did that to make sure the Referee knew they were there (even the Refs get nervous and rack quickly, I had them show presence to assure they took their time), however, they didn't look to see if there were any "gaps" or "imperfections" in the rack to "take advantage of"......this didn't happen in your example.....and it didn't happen in the entire tournament.
There's a difference between watching the Referees rack and going up to "check their rack"...... this discussion has been about seeing some imperfection in the rack so that it influences where and how you break......I know you guys desperately want to "prove CJ wrong" and that's your prerogative, but it's not a very good use of time and effort. imho
Checking the Referees rack is NOT a good practice, they rack and the players break.....very simple, very easy. Allowing "racking" controversy is a silly practice and accomplishes nothing positive or entertaining.
One thing that's not a good practice in life is creating problems that don't exist. I recommend players use your "mental horsepower" to focus on finding solutions, not creating problems......just a suggestion to players reading AND, please "be at choice" it won't effect me, it will only effect you.....'The Game is the Teacher'
They did that to make sure the Referee knew they were there (even the Refs get nervous and rack quickly, I had them show presence to assure they took their time), however, they didn't look to see if there were any "gaps" or "imperfections" in the rack to "take advantage of"......this didn't happen in your example.....and it didn't happen in the entire tournament.
There's a difference between watching the Referees rack and going up to "check their rack"...... this discussion has been about seeing some imperfection in the rack so that it influences where and how you break......I know you guys desperately want to "prove CJ wrong" and that's your prerogative, but it's not a very good use of time and effort. imho
Checking the Referees rack is NOT a good practice, they rack and the players break.....very simple, very easy. Allowing "racking" controversy is a silly practice and accomplishes nothing positive or entertaining.
One thing that's not a good practice in life is creating problems that don't exist. I recommend players use your "mental horsepower" to focus on finding solutions, not creating problems......just a suggestion to players reading AND, please "be at choice" it won't effect me, it will only effect you.....'The Game is the Teacher'
Like I said C.J., you don't have "real eyes or ears". You try and make it sound like I don't know what I'm talking about here by stating that you have his DVD,s and have talked to him. Yet, you still don't understand what he is teaching. You still think the rack doesn't matter and shouldn't be checked. You still think it is low class to do so because you think it says that the racker cheated.
So, thank you for proving my point for me. Maybe some day you will humble yourself enough to actually learn something.
They did that to make sure the Referee knew they were there (even the Refs get nervous and rack quickly, I had them show presence to assure they took their time), however, they didn't look to see if there were any "gaps" or "imperfections" in the rack to "take advantage of"......this didn't happen in your example.....and it didn't happen in the entire tournament.
There's a difference between watching the Referees rack and going up to "check their rack"...... this discussion has been about seeing some imperfection in the rack so that it influences where and how you break......I know you guys desperately want to "prove CJ wrong" and that's your prerogative, but it's not a very good use of time and effort. imho
Checking the Referees rack is NOT a good practice, they rack and the players break.....very simple, very easy. Allowing "racking" controversy is a silly practice and accomplishes nothing positive or entertaining.
One thing that's not a good practice in life is creating problems that don't exist. I recommend players use your "mental horsepower" to focus on finding solutions, not creating problems......just a suggestion to players reading AND, please "be at choice" it won't effect me, it will only effect you.....'The Game is the Teacher'
So, to defend your earlier wrong statement, you now are saying the refs at the Mosconi Cup are incompetent and needed watching. And, to top it off, they only did that because YOU told them too! You sure are doing a good job of "making our case" for us, and destroying your own case. Good thing you aren't a lawyer!
Pathetic Shark
Banned
Your 'case' appears to be an insistence on the game becoming slower, more methodical, more technical and ever more baffling to the casual viewer/player.
Perhaps you could make a case for why that is a good thing for this game, because I, and the vast majority of planet earth, cannot see it.
The carcass is twitching and you're interested in gaps.
If you really think that speed is what makes the game interesting, then watch speed pool, or play 9 ball where you can shoot the balls in any order.
The casual viewer, I really don't care about. The casual player, well, these things have always been there, just because they are now being brought to more peoples attention, your defense is state that you were better off being ignorant about them. hmmm...
Pathetic Shark
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You are very selfish.