ok. So, credible science is that which confirms your belief?
The funny thing about these forums is that whenever a person states an opinion the assumption by those who differ is that the opposing person has ALWAYS held that opposing opinion.
In my case that is not true. I was once in the natural talent and limits camp just like you. But over time I have come to understand that it's a myth. The fact is that the only limits are physical ability and mental capacity.
If so then please show me one world champion that didn't put the time in. Or show me one single person who did put the time in and didn't get to world class. Just one. Show me any person who put a solid 8 hours a day of DEEP practice with a coach for years who did not become world class.
You can't.
Now show me any person who is world class who got there with less than deep practice for years.
You can't.
If you're right then the fact of it is that there ought to be dozens ad hundreds of such examples of champions who didn't have to work AS HARD as their peers to reach championship level.
But the facts show that ALL champions had to work as hard and the ones who did the best at championship level worked EVEN HARDER, doing more, going the extra distance, studying deeper than their peers. In short, what they displayed was a deeper DESIRE than their peers which then guided them to the greatest heights.
So along with the aiming system debate the talent vs. work debate will never die. It's much more romantic to believe that some people are just born to play pool and nothing else. But that's just not true. People are born with certain traits but as far as what they can DO as humans and what each person's limits are in any endeavor that is not fixed at birth if they fall in the normal range of physical and mental ability.
Some people are wired differently though, some are retarded and so they cannot ever reach the logical levels to play high level one pocket, some people are very intelligent and able to quickly recognize patterns and so they have a greater ability to play high level one pocket.
But are grandmaster chess players smarter than an average person at anything but chess? The studies prove that they are not. They are smarter at chess because they have trained their brain to be smarter at chess. They may have been drawn to chess because their brain understood it easily.
Now let's look at learning in general. In a typical class some kids appear to be smarter and race ahead through the information while other kids appear to be dumber and struggle with the information when all kids are taught at the same pace and expected to learn at the same pace. When the learning process is flipped to a situation where each kid is allowed to progress at their own pace the results are that the quicker kids finish the easier work faster then slow way down and struggle with the harder work while the slower kids absorb the easy work slowly and then go faster on the harder work. The end result is that all the kids end up with the same level of knowledge and mastery of the subjects, just at different rates.
But our school system says that those who race ahead are gifted and talented while those who lag a little are retarded or just normal.
But then that type of study and science-based learning based on real-world experience and data doesn't fit in your paradigm does it?
I was in G&T classes from sixth grade onward. I doubt very many here would consider me gifted or talented and for sure you and Dick and probably Jay consider me to be retarded.
Notable savants[edit]
The following are well-known people with savant syndrome, noted for their talent in their identified fields:
Tom Wiggins, blind American pianist and composer
Alonzo Clemons, American clay sculptor[18]
Tony DeBlois, blind American musician[18]
Jason Hughes, English sociologist[19]
Leslie Lemke, blind American musician[18]
Jonathan Lerman, American artist[18]
Derek Paravicini, blind British musician[20]
Anthony Torrone, American Christian writer[21][22]
Gilles Tréhin, artist, author[23]
James Henry Pullen, gifted British carpenter[24][25]
Matt Savage, American autistic jazz prodigy[26][27]
Henriett Seth F., Hungarian autistic savant, poet, writer, and artist[28]
Stephen Wiltshire, British architectural artist[29]
Richard Wawro, British artist[18]
George and Charles Finn, calendar calculator twins[30][31]
Florence 'Flo' and Katherine 'Kay' Lyman, calendar calculator twins[32]
Daniel Tammet, British author[33]
Rex Lewis-Clack, blind American pianist
Jason Padgett, obtained fractal drawing skills following a mugging incident.[34][35]
Kim Peek, American "megasavant" with exceptional memory
Some people are just wired different. And people like us who believe we can get there with them with better information and more hard work are just mad at our money...lol
the west coast is on the menu for sure but later in the year. Don't worry Jay I am not scared of you either. I always have five hundred ready to donate to any senior citizen who can take it. I know how I bank and its good enough to play you. And if you find any bank I won't shoot that you will you can have a free $100.
