I know it's been bounced around a ton of times. Just curious what everyone finds best for breaking. Also, anyone know what Shane uses? Just curious.
Break Tips - Phenolic or Hard Laminated
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Shane does alot of ice fishing. He has custom made break tips from laminated fish skin.
Just kidding. Never know tho, maybe it would work.
When breakers or phenolic tips came out, I thought they were the next best thing since sliced bread and definitely had to try them out.
Quickly found out that I didn't care for the sound nor for what I feel is much lack of cue ball control.
As far as leather break tips, a person has many good options. I use and install, mainly Super Pro tips.
People like them and so do I.
Very inexpensive and they last a long time. Players use and have good service from many other brands as well.
Some people like the Mad Man tips that Juan sells in the Machinery Forum. They work great too but very hard. I tend to use them for jump tips. They work specially well for that job.
I have a baggy full of phenolic tips that will probably not get used up in a hundred or so years.
Just kidding. Never know tho, maybe it would work.
When breakers or phenolic tips came out, I thought they were the next best thing since sliced bread and definitely had to try them out.
Quickly found out that I didn't care for the sound nor for what I feel is much lack of cue ball control.
As far as leather break tips, a person has many good options. I use and install, mainly Super Pro tips.
People like them and so do I.
Very inexpensive and they last a long time. Players use and have good service from many other brands as well.
Some people like the Mad Man tips that Juan sells in the Machinery Forum. They work great too but very hard. I tend to use them for jump tips. They work specially well for that job.
I have a baggy full of phenolic tips that will probably not get used up in a hundred or so years.
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I wonder if anyone has ever tried to make a layered tip out of shark skin? It is tough as hell and I bet it would work... Shark skin boots last forever.
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to make a layered tip out of shark skin? It is tough as hell and I bet it would work... Shark skin boots last forever.
I bet that they do. I have a couple pair of Bull hide lace ups and one pair has been to Hell and back. On about my third or fourth resole and the uppers are still good.
Sad to say but you just got to hit with differnt tips and see what you like.
Hard tips, phenolic or leather do what theya re supposed to.
I think the main two reasons people don't like phenolic is because of the sound and the control.
For a beginner I would recommned a hard leather tip. There is a little more forgivness if you hit off center.
First of all, not all phenolic is not the same.
Some breakers are made in ways to make the sweet spot larger on the tip.
Personally I could care less about that. If you buy into at then good for you.
The main thing I look for is a cue is that I can make a ball, give me a good spread on the break and good cue ball control so I have a shot after the break.
Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can help and add why phonetic if hit off center is worse than with a leather tip.
My understanding is that the phenolic is a hard resin material that is somewhat similar to the cue ball. Kind of like hitting a hammer onto a steel plate.
Leather on the other hand will compress and retract some and thus you get the grip form the tip to the cue ball. This is kind of like hitting a hammer into a piece of wood.
If the hammer on the steel plate is not struck exactly at 90 angle will slide some.
The hammer into wood - the hammer has an opportunity to compress the wood some and the hammer would not slide as much.
Hope that makes sense.
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Have you try this new tips leather in the out side phenolic in the in side....
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I prefer the phenolic on my sledgehammer, but not for home use, as is damages the cb.
I also have a j/b with a super hard leather tip and it is fine too, really. I would say that I probably break with my playing cue most often though. I find the control is better and I don't hit em full bore anyway.
I also have a j/b with a super hard leather tip and it is fine too, really. I would say that I probably break with my playing cue most often though. I find the control is better and I don't hit em full bore anyway.
Always interested by this.... So phenolic is not for home use, as it damages the cue ball... But you'll use it out where it'll damage a ball others play with and someone else has to replace... Sigh...
Please note- my wife (who doesn't break hard) uses one as it helps her... But she doesn't stroke hard enough to damage a cue ball, I generally don't (unless I'm using a cue ball I own)
Joe
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Please note- my wife (who doesn't break hard) uses one as it helps her... But she doesn't stroke hard enough to damage a cue ball, I generally don't (unless I'm using a cue ball I own)
Joe
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Just for he switched to Cuetec, he was breaking with his playing cue. In a interview, he said he was using Triangles.
Freddie <~~~ uses Triangles
Phenolic Tips Damage Cue Ball? Really?
In order for this to be true the Tip would have to be harder than the Cue Ball.
Is that possibly the case here? Why would the industry produce such a tip?
I've heard this before and just thought, well, that's just so much horseshit.
A few calls to some manufactures would put an end to this. They are aware of the density and hardness factors of their products, but I won't be calling.
Instead, I'll take action, even money, that the tips and cue ball are at the most equal in hardness.
10% Vig will be in place
In order for this to be true the Tip would have to be harder than the Cue Ball.
Is that possibly the case here? Why would the industry produce such a tip?
I've heard this before and just thought, well, that's just so much horseshit.
A few calls to some manufactures would put an end to this. They are aware of the density and hardness factors of their products, but I won't be calling.
Instead, I'll take action, even money, that the tips and cue ball are at the most equal in hardness.
10% Vig will be in place
empiric evidence
well to be honest, I've not had density tests done… but …
I put a brand new aramith cue ball into play in September for APA league (our home Valley bar box NEVER gets the balls cleaned)… after 7 weeks of shooting with it… (forgot them one night) you should check out the cue ball… you can see the marks from the break sticks. I've taken them to the local hall and had them cleaned, they simply won't clean off… 7 nights x 6 hours of play is 42 hours… that's it…
Take it for what it's worth…
-Joe
BTW - the room owner comments about having to replace cue balls more often than the rest of the set because of this (its the cost of doing business for him
)
well to be honest, I've not had density tests done… but …
I put a brand new aramith cue ball into play in September for APA league (our home Valley bar box NEVER gets the balls cleaned)… after 7 weeks of shooting with it… (forgot them one night) you should check out the cue ball… you can see the marks from the break sticks. I've taken them to the local hall and had them cleaned, they simply won't clean off… 7 nights x 6 hours of play is 42 hours… that's it…
Take it for what it's worth…
-Joe
BTW - the room owner comments about having to replace cue balls more often than the rest of the set because of this (its the cost of doing business for him
)
More accurately, I use the phenolic where others do too. Others cannot use phenolic on my balls.
Think it through, you should know the Internet proves things
It has been well documented on the azb. Perhaps someone will dig up the link. We had an Azbro who was on a mission to get aramith to acknowledge it.In order for this to be true the Tip would have to be harder than the Cue Ball.
Is that possibly the case here? Why would the industry produce such a tip?
I've heard this before and just thought, well, that's just so much horseshit.
A few calls to some manufactures would put an end to this. They are aware of the density and hardness factors of their products, but I won't be calling.
Instead, I'll take action, even money, that the tips and cue ball are at the most equal in hardness.
10% Vig will be in place
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Its like Icebreaker?
No the icebreaker is leather in the in side phenolic in the out side. The price is over $20.00 Plus shipping......
Those you've posted are your own line or others? Can't seem to find any on your site.