Gold Crown info needed

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

Hey Guy's,,great site. I've been lurking for awhile,,,now it's time for a post.

So I've run across what is supposed to be a GCII. The guy doesn't know for sure. He said someone told him if it has adjustable leg's, it's a II. But from what I've read the later GC's have that also.

He says it has 1 1/2" slate. No ball return. And it's supposed to be a oversized 8'.

Now the bad. It is took apart. So no testing the rail's. I will assume they will need replaced. He says it could use a new cloth.

He's says $650 is his bottom dollar. Is this a decent price.

So let's say it's a later model than a II. Would that necessarily be a bad thing as long as it is a GC. The reason I ask this is I've read that the Brunswick quality has really dropped off over the year's. Does this apply to GC's.

Are GC's available in standard 8', or OS only.

I guess that's enough for now. Thanks for any input.

 

[9-ball B]

GC info

In my opinion the GC I and II are the best of the older crowns, the III's are not built with the same quality of parts. The 8' tables were only available as the oversize 8'. The slate should be 1 1/8" inch thick if it's a I or II, and the piece of slate is at the foot of the table should have cut outs where the rail counters are(the cut outs keep the counters from touching the slate). If it has bronze metal trim, it's more than likely a III, and in my opinion not worth near as much. By the way, I think I know which table you are looking at if you found it on craigslist. Good luck, Barry

 

[ROB.M]

Table

The table being apart is actually a good thing, better for inspection.

There are a few of the oldies out there that play great, but it's about 9 times outa 10 is a good food 1 or 2 found. If you want a pool players table your going to want to update the rails to today's cushion rubber profile.

Rob.M

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

Let's say it' a newer table. A III, or even a IV. Is it worth $650.

What rail's would you recommend.

 

[realkingcobra]

In my opinion the GC I and II are the best of the older crowns, the III's are not built with the same quality of parts. The 8' tables were only available as the oversize 8'. The slate should be 1 1/8" inch thick if it's a I or II, and the piece of slate is at the foot of the table should have cut outs where the rail counters are(the cut outs keep the counters from touching the slate). If it has bronze metal trim, it's more than likely a III, and in my opinion not worth near as much. By the way, I think I know which table you are looking at if you found it on craigslist. Good luck, Barry

In the GC1'&2, s and early 3's they had Brunstone playing surfaces, and were 1 1/16" thick. When they switched to real slate they were 1" thick.

 

[realkingcobra]

Let's say it' a newer table. A III, or even a IV. Is it worth $650.

What rail's would you recommend.

As long as the look of the table is good, and no broken parts....yes it is. Rails depend on who's replacing them as to what kind of deal you're getting.

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

Gc ii




I found this table in South Texas for a little over 500. Had the rails reworked by Donny from SDBilliards. Artemis rubber and the pocket angles recut, table plays better than any GC I have played on.

Take a look at the table and as long as nothing is broke ( slate, legs, frame) everything else is cosmetic and can be found and replaced, it's a good price.




These were taken when I set up table here in Japan.

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

In my opinion the GC I and II are the best of the older crowns, the III's are not built with the same quality of parts. The 8' tables were only available as the oversize 8'. The slate should be 1 1/8" inch thick if it's a I or II, and the piece of slate is at the foot of the table should have cut outs where the rail counters are(the cut outs keep the counters from touching the slate). If it has bronze metal trim, it's more than likely a III, and in my opinion not worth near as much. By the way, I think I know which table you are looking at if you found it on craigslist. Good luck, Barry

So which table do you think it is. Tell me and I'll let you know if you are right. :grin:

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

Well we bought it. That would be my Son and myself. He says this is going to be a Father/Son project. In other word's, a lot of work for me. I have to tear down a wall in my basement to make it fit.

We almost passed. Someone painted the thing a baby poop brown. And there is a piece of plastic that is broke/missing that connects to the ball holder.

We ended up getting it for $500. I think that's ok,,, but not great. Do you guy's agree.

As far as the plastic skirting goes, from the pic's I've seen on google, it looks like everyone is just taking it of. Is the true. Kinda hard to tell from the pic's.

I don't think it would look right if we took off the plastic that connects to the ball holder. Any idea's of where I might find one of those.

I could have sworn I seen a pic of some orange GC II's. But I sure can't find any pic's now. Did they make them orange. I can see some orange paint where the brown is peeling. And it had an orange cloth at one time.

So did I do ok for $500, or did I get screwed,,,, lol. Thanks

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

Forgot to ask.

I found "K9042" stamped on the wood frame. Is this a serial number. Is there any way to date this thing.

What year's were the GC II's made.

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

I'm kinda excited here. Is this the figure 8 bracket that make's this a GC I.

Go ahead. Burst my bubble.

 

[realkingcobra]

Yes, when Brunswick switched to the floating capture nut, it was in the GC2.

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

Yes, when Brunswick switched to the floating capture nut, it was in the GC2.

Forgive my ignorance.

Are you saying the pic above is a 1 or a 2. Thanks

 

[ROB.M]

Table

Do the apron have a hinge along the whole top edge that locks into the rail or is it segmented?


Rob.M

 

[Col_Cotton_Hill]

Do the apron have a hinge along the whole top edge that locks into the rail or is it segmented?


Rob.M

No hinges anywhere. There are 4 bracket's along the wood apron that goes in the rail groove.

 

[ROB.M]

Table

I'm sorry, what I meant was the bracket that attaches the apron to the rails. The apron hinges to the rail in segments. When I take those apart I like to use masking tape for alignment marks, especially the ball box.

You have what I know as a GC twone

But we have all seen some heinz 57 GC's.
There is hundreds of thousands of GC's on this planet, parts get mixed up all the time and sometimes its from the manufacture or supplier.


Rob.M

 

[A-1 billiards]

The Gold crown 1 tables were manufactured from 1961-1973, they had several changes from the early models to the later ones. For example, the first few years the feet were non adjustable, they used a figure 8 plate to attach the rails, monarch (rather than super speed cushions) and a plastic Brunswick emblem in the head rail. By the late sixties the Gold crown 1 had a metal emblem plate, a captured nut (rather than a figure 8 plate) for attachment of the rails, super speed cushions and the use of more slate rather than Brunstone.

In 1974 The Brunswick Gold Crown 2 was introduced, it was different than the Gold Crown 1 models in the following ways. The GC 2 was sold as a mahogany finished apron and base from the factory. The GC1 was always sold from Brunswick as a painted table, white base with gold, blue, tangerine or white aprons. The Gold Crown 2 also had the bronze feet and castings. The GC 2 did retain the white fiberglass underskirts like the GC1. This GC 2 was only sold from 1974-1976, in 1977 the Gold crown 3 came out and was sold in tremendous numbers until 1997.

From my experience, what most people call a Gold Crown 2 is actually a late model Gold Crown 1. Also keep in mind that many Gold crown 1 tables had the paint striped and the sides refinished to look like later model tables.

I hope this clears up some of the confusion about which model is which.

Jay

 

[A-1 billiards]

Here is a link to a post by Mr Bond.


This Comparison Chart has been discussed here before. I made a screen capture of it so it can be inserted into a thread:

 

[fastone371]

The Gold crown 1 tables were manufactured from 1961-1973, they had several changes from the early models to the later ones. For example, the first few years the feet were non adjustable, they used a figure 8 plate to attach the rails, monarch (rather than super speed cushions) and a plastic Brunswick emblem in the head rail. By the late sixties the Gold crown 1 had a metal emblem plate, a captured nut (rather than a figure 8 plate) for attachment of the rails, super speed cushions and the use of more slate rather than Brunstone.

In 1974 The Brunswick Gold Crown 2 was introduced, it was different than the Gold Crown 1 models in the following ways. The GC 2 was sold as a mahogany finished apron and base from the factory. The GC1 was always sold from Brunswick as a painted table, white base with gold, blue, tangerine or white aprons. The Gold Crown 2 also had the bronze feet and castings. The GC 2 did retain the white fiberglass underskirts like the GC1. This GC 2 was only sold from 1974-1976, in 1977 the Gold crown 3 came out and was sold in tremendous numbers until 1997.

From my experience, what most people call a Gold Crown 2 is actually a late model Gold Crown 1. Also keep in mind that many Gold crown 1 tables had the paint striped and the sides refinished to look like later model tables.

I hope this clears up some of the confusion about which model is which.

Jay

My GC was new in 1971, was painted white, has the white plastic gulley blinds, captured nut rail hold downs, multi-piece apron hinge, adjustable feet, Superspeeds, and Brunstone. I am the 3rd owner and was able to trace the table back to the original owner. there are so many differences on the early GCs seems like they should be numbered everything up to a 3 should be a one. Then the ones with bronze casting should be a 2 etc...