D Bag pool move.

[scsuxci]

I didn't think of that angle. My wife and I are very friendly and that maybe was the case and I just took it too seriously.

Or, she may have thought she was being funny and chose the wrong way to go about it.

It is easy to try a joke sometimes and get taken the wrong way.

I should know as I am always being the class clown, even after 40 years.

Either way, next time we play them, I may try it back and see if she thinks it is just as funny.

BIH is the Teacher.

Besides, no wimens allowed in DBag Club.

I know how ya feel.I'm 42 and my
kids think I brain damage cause I act to immature. I just tell them I got
that Benjamin Button virus:smile: Sometimes people are hard to read.You'll have
to update us on her reaction when you guys play again.

 

[hang-the-9]

Not too brag but I play pretty lock up safes and I have guys just pick it up all the time I think its kinda funny I love getting in there head sorry but if I can't get out or get a break out ur getting hooked part of the game and if u hand it too me I'm eather gonna get out or ur gonna get hooked again may as well try too shoot

Just picking up the cueball would be a loss of game, same as grabbing the cueball as it's on the way to break something out on a scratch or trying to hit things with the cue as you are shooting.

 

[Cornerman]

Ok, that answers one question. 6 fouls, 3 by each.

I was unsure of that as had never run across it before.

So what I should have done is return the foul if I felt it necessary by shooting the cue into a pocket and returning BIH.

I will remember that for next time.

I'd have to see the layout, but if you thought that playing a safe off of the cluster would end up losing the game, then maybe an intentional foul was in order. I like the other shots already mentioned on this thread.

As far as the speech goes Freddy, you would have had to be there to hear it.

Okay. She was mocking, I assume then?

 

[KRJ]

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Thats fine, as I originally posted, I felt and knew it was perfectly legal move, just unsportsman like. The unsportsman like statement came from the fact of the speech afterward.

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I would not take this personally, she was just trying to be cute. You say you don't do this at your "level" but she knew right away she was NOT going to attempt to break out the cluster. That is a level much higher than a banger level or low level APA shooter.

Should have just laughed and said, no need for the speech, if you don't wanna shoot it, just announce it, and hand me the cueball.

then play another lock up safety, and smile

 

[gregcantrall]

The Hollywood

I think the speech afterward was what they call a Hollywood in poker.
The Hollywood

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

RJ, as witty as I think I can be sometimes, it was one of those moments, that like I said, set me back a bit because I wasn't expecting it. I was temporarily lost for a good come back.

As soon as I read your post, I thought, Damn, that would have been so perfect.

As it was, I was able to clip the side of my 10 and get it out of the pack, leaving them in an equally, or at least, them having to break theirs away from the 8 for us.

That move didn't do them any good in the long run. Play a safety, expect for your opponent to give one back.

Anyway, no biggy as I have fairly thick skin. I have seen a player shoot a cue ball into the pocket once and now last night on myself.

It was something that I wanted to relate and ask a question.

I know now that an intentional foul is perfectly acceptable, 6 fouls, 3 by each side is a stale mate.

And Greg helped me out probably more than he thought he did.

All is well at the Terry house. I have some new info.

Yes Greg, after clicking on your link, I think that I got Hollywooded a bit. That actually made the situation funny to know that.

 

[Maniac]

I have read all the posts...lots of good information/advice.

FWIW....there are few (VERY few) situations where I could NOT skull-f*ck the sh*t out of an opponent that wants to give me a free BIH!!! In other words...I have seen many a cue ball picked up and handed to me over the years, and I never once considered it bad sportsmanship. I did however, consider it poor strategy (in most of the cases).

I would have had to have been there to comment on her "speech".

Hope you have no more league issues for the rest of the session. Shoot 'em well, my friend from the North!!!

Maniac

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Thanks Bud. yep, there was lots of good stuff that came out of the thread.

And ya know, your post made good sense as well. Rather than consider it to have been a D Bag move, it is better to consider it a bad move on their part.

I did take advantage of it but now I know that I should have studied the table better than I did and really took full advantage of that BIH.

This year, I started sparing for a team that is in the highest division that our League has. I have been more aware of playing safeties than ever and actually getting much bettter at making them work. Before it could be a hit and miss thing for me.

So next go round, it will be my pleasure to lock that team up when we can. My wife is fairly good at playing safe so we will go over some of the points made in this thread and perhaps our Scotch safety strategy will help us out.

Perhaps I will make them wish that they didn't hurt Little Hogs feelings.

 

[lorider]

My wife and I are playing scotch tonight. Against a couple that we usually have a fun night with.

To us, Scotch is just a fun sociable night out to mix it up a bit. We have done well in the past in end of the year tourneys where we will buckle down a bit harder.

Ok, close to the head string, we have the eight ball out front, one of ours and one of theirs behind in almost a perfect 3 ball rack.

We have one ball left in the open. My wife calls a safety and shoots our ball down.

Good call on her part because obviously she doesn't want to break our ball out, with theirs and risk giving a BIH.

So, the female opponent walks up to the table, picks the cue ball up and drops it on the table, giving us BIH.

Then she starts in with this, OMG, what was I thinking, why did I just pick the ball up, yada yada yada.

I have seen high level players do almost the same thing in tourneys, but at least they take the cue ball and shoot it directly in a pocket.


This is something that I certainly didn't expect to see in a fun Scotch division and certainly have never seen any of the Scotch players ever do this in the many years that we have been playing.

I could have reciprocated in kind and shot the cue ball down a hole but I set the cue ball up, slightly skinned our 10 ball, the ten hitting the rail and coming back almost where it was before.

The cue ball being left in an equally difficult shot for them.

I consider what she did to be perfectly legal, (in an unsportsman like way), and also douchy times ten to have to give the speech that she did afterward.

I guess that I was a bit shocked mainly because I have never seen this done before in Scotch and didn't expect it from this team.

A couple of people that were watching mentioned later that they thought it was a pretty unsportsman like move on their part.

What do you guys think about moves like this?

Also, I can't remember the rule exactly on this. How many times could a person purposely foul in a situation like this before it would be considered a stalemate and a re rack?

i have not read all the posts so forgive me if its already been said. just too tired to read it all " hard day at work"

several scenarios come to mind ...but it supposed to be a fun night out with the wife so i would just laugh it off regardless her intent. who knows what her intent was ?

if her intent was to give you bih ....just picking up the ball is not a d bag move in my opinion. done it plenty of times myself when i did not want to break out a cluster. other times i would just hit the cueball with it being obvious i was not trying to hit anything.

as for her lil speech

it coulda been a failed attmpt at humor. or feigned attempt at innocence . it coulda been a brain fart and she was embarrased and covered up her embarrasment with her lil speech. i have actually walked up to the table and picked up the cue ball with out having bih and my opponent asked ...what are you doing ? you don't have bih. justa brain fart by me.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

And yer probably correct too. I most likely took it the wrong way.

As Maniac mentioned, it may have not been in their best interest to be handing out BIHs.

I like to see it that way, as it didn't benefit them for that game anyway.

 

[gregcantrall]

A little more on eight ball strategy.

I think in terms of percentages when making my plan. I look at the table and try to figure the odds of me getting out against the odds of them having a return if I play safe or even the odds of them getting out if I just miss my shot. With that in mind I will often opt for a more difficult shot because it leaves the cue ball in a position that is favorable for me if I make and unfavorable for them if I miss.
Until you get to the grand master or pro level eight ball is not a run out game. Some racks will be run from the break but many more will be fought in the trenches. In trench warfare your balls are your pawns. Try to use them strategically.
One of my mentors used to say, "You know I have lost a million games of eight ball.........but I have won eight million." So I just try to play the percentages and on the occasions that it does not work out......oh well, on to the next game.
A move that can be a strategic good move but could be considered a DB move would be to take an intentional foul by pocketing your opponents break ball. This shot can be done with or without the Hollywood("I thought I had the stripes?!"). Really gets the tempers flaring if you are not playing ball in hand on fouls.

 

[KRJ]

RJ, as witty as I think I can be sometimes, it was one of those moments, that like I said, set me back a bit because I wasn't expecting it. I was temporarily lost for a good come back.

As soon as I read your post, I thought, Damn, that would have been so perfect.

As it was, I was able to clip the side of my 10 and get it out of the pack, leaving them in an equally, or at least, them having to break theirs away from the 8 for us.

That move didn't do them any good in the long run. Play a safety, expect for your opponent to give one back.

Anyway, no biggy as I have fairly thick skin. I have seen a player shoot a cue ball into the pocket once and now last night on myself.

It was something that I wanted to relate and ask a question.

I know now that an intentional foul is perfectly acceptable, 6 fouls, 3 by each side is a stale mate.

And Greg helped me out probably more than he thought he did.

All is well at the Terry house. I have some new info.

Yes Greg, after clicking on your link, I think that I got Hollywooded a bit. That actually made the situation funny to know that.

I hear ya Hog... but if you guys are "buddies", you should have smiled, she was just busing chops.... no dbag move... if she was a league player, and you didn't know her very well, that's another story... but friends always get the benefit of the doubt

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

This couple out of all the Scotch players are not our favorite people. We have fun playing against them but thats about it.

Her partner, and maybe you have read myself talking about him, is the guy that pays $300 for custom made Milk Dud tips that take 6 months to make.

The guy that has a SS joint Predator sneaky that he claims is worth $1500.

The guy that has beaten earl Strickland. FK, he never leaves the bar long enuff to play anyone so I was wondering when he beat Earl.

Thats just 3 of the BS stories. The people in the bar, including staff and owners laugh at him, not with him. I think, or he thinks that he is also a helicopter pilot. So many BS stories, hard to remember them all. He comes up with a new one every week.

Sometimes I purposely get him going. My wife justs shoots darts at me with her eyes when I do it so had to tone it down a bit.

It was probably him that told her to pick up the ball anyway, otherwise I doubt that she would be smart enuff to do it on her own.

She uses red chalk. That should tell you enuff right there. By the end of a match, the entire table is red. On occasion, I have had to go to the washroom and get wet towels to wipe the rails down with part way thru the session.

Oh, I forgot, his gambling sessions on the table are for $1100 a ball. Thats another one. Thats what I mean, very annoying people to begin with, without pulling off stunts.

When my wife and I won Scotch a couple of years ago, they were the only couple to not shake our hands and say congrats. The story was later that we cheated.

The rest of the Scotch players are a pleasure to hang with. Sorry if I gave anyone the impression that these people were our Buds.

 

[KRJ]

This couple out of all the Scotch players are not our favorite people.
It was probably him that told her to pick up the ball anyway, otherwise I doubt that she would be smart enuff to do it on her own.

She uses red chalk. That should tell you enuff right there. By the end of a match, the entire table is red.

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Ok, but you gotta give us the "scoop" up front if you want the very best advice

Here is what I read in your first post; "My wife and I are playing scotch tonight. Against a couple that we usually have a fun night with. To us, Scotch is just a fun sociable night out to mix it up a bit"

Ok, i'm busting chops a little, but I could not resist this one.

Oh, and the red chalk part is enough to thoroughly tells us she is a dbag... the cue ball story was not even necessary

Later Hog !!

 

[Luxury]

Btw, if your wife had called safe and left the ball in front of the pocket, your opponent would have just intentionally fouled and made the hanger for you.

There are situations where it's better to make the ball and call safe to make the runout easier and there are times to leave it hanging.


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[Blue Hog ridr]

Thanks Lee, I can understand that. Just have to figure out when and when not to.

I can pot balls pretty good but need to learn a bit more of the chess game that is called 8 Ball.

I guess after she did that, I should have been a smart A and asked if with BIH, I could put the ball anywhere on the table that I wanted. When when they answered yes, I could have dropped the ball down a pocket and did the same back but I chose to try and do the best I could with what I had to work with. It worked out ok this time.

RJ, I can take some ball busting back anytime. I don't mind at all.

I didn't want to start the thread off B itching about our opponents in that manner.
When I mentioned that we enjoy playing pool against them, its like saying that my wife and I just like playing pool. It is the only night she comes out so it is like a date and I try and make it fun for her. Her Mom is going to pass soon and I have been trying to do little things with her and for her to take her mind off for a few hours. So saying that, altho she can hold her own, she isn't worried about the kind of strategy of taking intentional fouls. So when things like this happen, she can get a little disillusioned and wonder why we can't just play pool and shoot balls in the hole.

Hey, I admitted that it did set me back a bit also as I had never had this happen to me either.

With other opponents, we enjoy the camaraderie along with playing. With these guys, altho we do get along ok, its more us just playing the table rather than them.

We chat back and forth with them but it is just meaningless banter. With other couples, we have honest good times and laughs for the most part.

Yet for myself, this thread strangely turned into a bit of a teaching session and I don't mind that part at all either.

Like I said, I need to know the cat and mouse chess part of the game better.

 

[Vegas Al]

I hate that sh*t!

While I do realize it's a legal move in the rulebook,having your opponent simply pick up the cueball after you've played a great lockup safety strikes me as a chickensh*t move. Touch the cueball with your tip,pretend to try something without hitting anything,put one of my balls in a worse position,ANYTHING! Picking up the cueball should be considered a forfeit in my opinion.

 

[justadub]

I know that its already been addressed, but add me to the group that finds it completely normal to pick up the cue ball and hand it over/roll it over to their opponent. Primarily in 8-ball, tho I did see someone do it in 9-ball once

As a matter of fact, I try to teach my lower level players to remember that it is an option for them. Rather than take a flyer where they have no idea what could happen, perhaps completely open up the table for their opponent, or worse, knock the 8-ball in early. I have often done it for my players by calling time out, rather than letting them give the game away to their opponent.

I rarely see the better players do it, because they generally know how to make a controlled attempt that shouldn't cost them the game.

I've done it, on occasion.

What's viewed as more of a d-bag move around here is intentionally moving your opponents balls directly, clustering them up, instead of shooting at your own ball. I don't feel that way, but I've seen that reaction occasionally.

The "speech", well that wasn't an elegant moment, certainly

 

[lorider]

I know that its already been addressed, but add me to the group that finds it completely normal to pick up the cue ball and hand it over/roll it over to their opponent. Primarily in 8-ball, tho I did see someone do it in 9-ball once

As a matter of fact, I try to teach my lower level players to remember that it is an option for them. Rather than take a flyer where they have no idea what could happen, perhaps completely open up the table for their opponent, or worse, knock the 8-ball in early. I have often done it for my players by calling time out, rather than letting them give the game away to their opponent.

I rarely see the better players do it, because they generally know how to make a controlled attempt that shouldn't cost them the game.

I've done it, on occasion.

What's viewed as more of a d-bag move around here is intentionally moving your opponents balls directly, clustering them up, instead of shooting at your own ball. I don't feel that way, but I've seen that reaction occasionally.

The "speech", well that wasn't an elegant moment, certainly

i done it also dub ...depending on the situation. other times i would just hit the cue ball some where....obvious i was not trying to take a flyer at my ball breaking up a cluster.

never just hit the cue ball straight in a pocket. mainly because i still got some bar banger mentality in me. hated when a guy scratched on purpose with me being on the 8 ball sitting in the kitchen. all ways thought that was a douche bag move. lol

 

[Rasputin]

It was probably him that told her to pick up the ball anyway

There is NOTHING wrong in taking an intentional foul in eightball. Quite the opposite. Eightball is a game of strategy.

Yes, it should be done by touching the cueball by the tip of your cue, but WTF is this nonsense about this here being a douche move. Taking an intentional foul is basic 8ball strategy, no matter if it was a friendly game or for real.

Now, bragging about your great strategy afterwards, particularly after the shot, that's an other thing.

But in any case, there is some serious need for balls in this thread.

What's viewed as more of a d-bag move around here is intentionally moving your opponents balls directly, clustering them up, instead of shooting at your own ball. I don't feel that way, but I've seen that reaction occasionally.

There is nothing wrong with this neither. If someone wants to play a game without tactics, then they can go and flip the coin for ****'s sake.