Shane w/o a Break Shot

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I know I'm probably going to start a storm with this topic, but I'd thought I'd throw it out there. I'm a Shane fan, but I can't help wondering what his game would be like if the Break shot was not a big factor in the game he's playing. Say something like straight pool, one pocket, 3 Cushion, Snooker, etc where a break and run isn't as likely. How would he compare with other of the pool history's greats? What do you all think from watching him play?
 
Great!!!!!!!!!

Shane does not have to break hard in One Pocket and he still plays with the best of them.

He is a true talent and I believe he would still be our top player in the States.

Don
 
Skratch said:
I know I'm probably going to start a storm with this topic, but I'd thought I'd throw it out there. I'm a Shane fan, but I can't help wondering what his game would be like if the Break shot was not a big factor in the game he's playing. Say something like straight pool, one pocket, 3 Cushion, Snooker, etc where a break and run isn't as likely. How would he compare with other of the pool history's greats? What do you all think from watching him play?
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He doesn't have any weaknesses. Consider that he won the Derby City one pocket back-to-back is pretty telling.
 
He doesn't play straight pool often, but I think he's put up some decent runs.

I don't know about snooker or 3C, and a lot of folks consider him to be a top tier one pocket player.

It's always annoying to hear people (not directed at you) complain about Shane's advantage with his break, when that advantage came by way of hard work and many hours of practice.
 
I believe he would still be the best player in the country, but the gap would be much closer, especially against archer.
 
BeiberLvr said:
He doesn't play straight pool often, but I think he's put up some decent runs.

I don't know about snooker or 3C, and a lot of folks consider him to be a top tier one pocket player.

It's always annoying to hear people (not directed at you) complain about Shane's advantage with his break, when that advantage came by way of hard work and many hours of practice.
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I don't doubt the immense talent and hard work he's put into it, but with his big break it makes him a beast. 10b/9b/8b, I wouldn't doubt. It's the other games that don't require the big break that I wonder how well he would compare. I also much appreciate his persona at the table. Time will tell as his legacy plays out. Glad to be around when all these great players are still around, and to count him among them.
 
Cornerman said:
He doesn't have any weaknesses. Consider that he won the Derby City one pocket back-to-back is pretty telling.
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I don't see any weakness as he is now, but time will always play a factor. I hope he can continue to play on this level for many years to come. If anything to continue to show us what he's got.
 
Imho, Shane's break is a huge extra advantage that separates him from the majority of other pros. He has perfected it. It's not just the opening shot...in many cases, it assures that the rack is in the books, his side of the ledger.

His break mastery puts big pressure on the rest of the field to work hard on their own, to remain competitive.

Shane is exceptional in all areas of the game.. a lot of different games. As stated, no weaknesses. With the great break...very hard to beat. He is in the position most often to beat you to the shot...or safety..to control the table...that's tough to overcome.

He is an exceptional player with an amazing controllable break. Turns a lot of racks into 6 ball, unclustered runnouts...almost boring to watch;););)
 
Shane does break great.....

Skratch said:
I know I'm probably going to start a storm with this topic, but I'd thought I'd throw it out there. I'm a Shane fan, but I can't help wondering what his game would be like if the Break shot was not a big factor in the game he's playing. Say something like straight pool, one pocket, 3 Cushion, Snooker, etc where a break and run isn't as likely. How would he compare with other of the pool history's greats? What do you all think from watching him play?
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When a player doesn't break as well against him it is pretty telling because your seeing the breaks back to back.

But if he does break the balls bad once in a while the player has to fade trying to out maneuver one of the best players on the planet if not the best.

And then there is the Shane factor. Trying to keep your focus when playing this monster.

Keep doin it Mr Shane.

In this day and age to do what your doing in pretty awesome.

Dominate my friend........
 
If Shane's break is such a big factor. Why don't more pro's try to emulate it? I would told to always watch my opponents break. His may be working on that table, while mine isn't. So I should consider changing my break closer to his. Shane is known for his break. Just don't understand why others don't emulate his. One of the better players I know has a horrible break. All power with no cue control. I think players are just stubborn.
 
Let's say he hadn't practiced breaking for a cumulative (imaginary number) 5,000 hours. That's 5,000 hours he would've put into kicks, banks, shotmaking, patterns...

I think you can see where I'm going with this.
 
BeiberLvr said:
It's always annoying to hear people (not directed at you) complain about Shane's advantage with his break, when that advantage came by way of hard work and many hours of practice.
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I agree 100%. You can't have a break like his if you don't put in the effort. They should quit complaining about his break and try to learn it themselves.
 
You crotchety old timers and your straight pool :)

I don't think it would matter he pockets balls so well. He could spend three days on straight pool and be running hundreds.
 
maxeypad2007 said:
You crotchety old timers and your straight pool :)

I don't think it would matter he pockets balls so well. He could spend three days on straight pool and be running hundreds.
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I believe Shane said once that he practiced for a straight pool tournament and in a few days of practice his high run was around 214 IIRC.
 
We'll I've heard him say he has spent a12 hour day doing nothing but working on his break. It's not about immulating him... It's about putting in the effort he has.
 
Does anyone know what his record is in tournaments where they have the alternate breaking format as opposed to winners break?
 
Of course shane has a fantastic break. But if you have a look at the past years at the dcc and the break stats you ll see that shane would have also won without his break.
Atm cannot remember whi put in the nice work on these game stats....but i was also impressed.

Shane wins bc he makes less mistakes in the complete game. Not just bc of his break.

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Ratta -- it is AZer At Large who always provides us those interesting break stats. Over time the stats show that Shane has a small edge in making a ball on the break, but not enough of an edge to dominate his opponents the way he does.

Pocketing, precision position play and safety play is where he kills. In other words, I don't think his break is any better than his pocketing, positioning and safeties. He's simply better in each category.

Anyway, it's like asking would Efren be as good without his CB control?

Or, Earl without his mouth?
 
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think of chuck liddell without his overhand right? instead of bein a hofer he would of @ best been a gatekeeper and @ worst he would of been a tomato can! yes this is an extreme comparison but most don't realize how huge the intimidation factor is when facing something like shane's break, only in fighting can i see 1 aspect of a sport be such a game changer

without his break shane would still be a top 5-10 american player obviously but would he be a hofer? w his drive probably but it wouldn't be so automatic without his break, it is the ultimate advantage
 
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