The OP has over 5000 posts and he doesnt know of any case makers give me a break. Someone wanted to start a debate.
Case maker recommendations
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Al Kinghorn.
JB Cases.
Steve Price.
Al for his quality and amazing customer service.
JB for his quality and his ability to make cases that cover the entire spectrum of styles. Whether you like him or not, there is no casemaker that has done more styles than JB.
Steve for his kindness and unique design that he doesn't stray from.
Al Kinghorn.
JB Cases.
Steve Price.
Al for his quality and amazing customer service.
JB for his quality and his ability to make cases that cover the entire spectrum of styles. Whether you like him or not, there is no casemaker that has done more styles than JB.
Steve for his kindness and unique design that he doesn't stray from.
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Very nice use of my L-Zipper technique. Makes getting into the box pockets much easier.
We also do it as a Book Zipper where the pocket opens all the way up.
Koenigsegg
Banned
Wow!!! Two case makers arguing like immature kids. That will really boost your reputation and make you look good in the eyes of your customers.
Wow!!! Two case makers arguing like immature kids. That will really boost your reputation and make you look good in the eyes of your customers.
I don't see arguing about the substance of cue protection as immature. I think it's very mature to present your reasons as to why a customer should purchase your case over another's.
A cue case is supposed to protect the cue during storage and transport. If it doesn't do that properly then that should be made public.
Also if a case maker claims that their case is made in the USA then they should be fully honest and admit that the actual CASE part is made in China if that's the truth of it. Doing otherwise is not fair to all the case makers whose cases are 100% made in the USA.
Lastly, if a case maker wants to make (false) claims about a competitor then they should be willing to prove those claims or face the consequences of making those claims.
I have no problem standing in my booth and allowing anyone to compare products. No reason I should take a backseat to anyone and allow them to get away with outright lies about their product.
Koenigsegg
Banned
Well I don't think people would buy a Justis Case if the cues were clanking together like you claim they do. Never heard of anyone that has a Justis Case Cues get damage to their cues from them clanking together. If your cases are really better than they will prove it by their own merit and without you having to tell people how wonderful they are. Sounds to me like a little jealousy that he has a back log of orders for his cases and can't make them fast enough and you do not.
I could not disagree any more.
Have you ever owned either case? I suspect not. Jack makes a great case, no doubt, but those that own a JB case immediately recognize superior cue protection. You will not find a negative review for Jack's cases becasue they are great cases, but do a search for JB case reviews then come back and slam him.
We could approach this scientifically and poll those that own both and see which ones they prefer (for protection). I used to own a JB and a swfit custom. Now, I own 2 JBs.
On another note, I think I must be missing something in the video. I clearly see more rattle in th enon ultra pad case. What am I missing.
One more thing, if you created a better mousetrap wouldn't you go out and advertise? No, I suspect according to your philosophy, they should just keep quiet about it. That is as smart as your post buddy! welcome to AZ
How exactly would they do that? A case is an inanimate object. It doesn't speak for itself.
Nor do Justis cases. You see pretty pictures and what do you assume? You naturally assume that anyone who builds such a beautiful case has put as much care into protecting your cue.
Just because you have never heard of anything happening doesn't mean nothing has happened. My interiors are really better and I have every right to tell everyone that as much as I want to and however I want to. Why should I give Jack Justis a free pass to make an inferior product and lie to everyone about where it is made?
That gives him an unfair advantage. If I were in his position then of course I would never want anyone to actually look deeper at my case and discover it's inadequacies.
If you were in my position you would never allow your product to be positioned against a case that is inferior without speaking up about it in my opinion. All manufacturers compare their products to others. They all tell you why their product is better than the competition.
Owning a Jack Justice is like Owning a Bushka or a Palmer, or any other legendary manufacturers product. Sure there might be better performing products out there but this is JACK JUSTICE were talking about. Someday when he's gone (hopefully not anytime soon.) He will be held in the same regard as the other legends of our sport. Jack builds one of the best cases in the world, there's no debating that.
JB is also a legend in his own right. Arguably the most innovative, and thorough designer/builder/marketer/etc/etc... If he operated in the states, half of the knockers would go away immediately, the other half would still wind him up just for fun. JB builds one of the best cases in the world. There's no debating that.
It all comes down to preference. They've both said their piece several times over. I chose a different path from either, and still plan to get one from each someday. (assuming i'm not on any one's ban list.)
This whole thread was rather amusing, I think we can all agree on that. TheThaiger is back in full force, and snuck one in we didn't catch right away. The most impressive part of this entire thread is that JB held his shit together for 3 pages before letting loose. John I can see you patience on the interwebz is growing. Good on you man. Also Glad to see Jack post.
all the best, I'm going to bed!
JB is also a legend in his own right. Arguably the most innovative, and thorough designer/builder/marketer/etc/etc... If he operated in the states, half of the knockers would go away immediately, the other half would still wind him up just for fun. JB builds one of the best cases in the world. There's no debating that.
It all comes down to preference. They've both said their piece several times over. I chose a different path from either, and still plan to get one from each someday. (assuming i'm not on any one's ban list.)
This whole thread was rather amusing, I think we can all agree on that. TheThaiger is back in full force, and snuck one in we didn't catch right away. The most impressive part of this entire thread is that JB held his shit together for 3 pages before letting loose. John I can see you patience on the interwebz is growing. Good on you man. Also Glad to see Jack post.
all the best, I'm going to bed!
Koenigsegg
Banned
Well its not like your case is a new product out in the market. If it was I would say go ahead and toot your horn. Do you actually have proof that his cases have damaged peoples cues or are you just talking out the side of your neck. I doubt he would have a waiting list to get his cases if his cases actually did damage to cues. I think it has a lot to do with envy John.
Jealously? Hardly. Just want a level playing field.
If people were happy with Jack's interior then no one would ever change them to ours.
Some people have bought Justis cases with no idea that the cues are inadequately protected. They simply bought what they thought would be a great case all the way around only to find that they were not happy with the interior.
Anyway, this has all been said dozens of times. I have hundreds of customers on this forum and around the world who know both products and chose ours.
We are not the only ones doing better interiors. Volturi cases does padded interiors that they claim are even more protective than ours. Chuck Fields uses better interiors than Justis. Al Kinghorn trusts our interiors more than Justis-style interiors.
In fact most other custom case makers put much more emphasis on cue protection than Justis does. So jealousy???? Not in your wildest dreams.
Where in this thread did I say cue have been damaged in Justis cases? But since you asked yes, several people have testified on this forum in the past that their cues were dinged up in Justis cases. Justis called some of them liars.
And Jack Justis himself warns people that cues can be damaged in his cases.....he sends out a note telling them not to put the cues in pin down because the lack of padding at the bottom could allow the pin to be bent. Also he should warn those who have bumperless ivory hoppe style cues that this is also a situation where the lack of padding could cause issues.
Koenigsegg
Banned
Would you say Porper cues adequately protect a cue?
I can attest to the fact that my old Justis did not keep my cues in place when the lid came open... I accidentally caught the snap on my trunk lid taking it out of the car and both my cues and all 4 shafts hit the pavement.... nothing like road rash on your pool gear :angry:
I chalked it up to being an idiot... And I continued to carry my Justis... I got lucky and ended up with one of John's cases and realized I was indeed an idiot for not knowing there were cases out there that would not have let the cues slide out when something like that happened...
The cues I damaged were a $750 player and a $300 break cue.... These days I carry a $1400 player, a $750 player a $300 break cue and a $225 jump cue plus $750 in OB shafts... I don't worry about anything happening to them anymore aside from someone thinking man that's a cool case and stealing my whole kit.........
Chris
TheThaiger
Banned
Well, that wasn't very kind, was it?
And how do you know what my intentions are regarding cases? I've just sold a couple I didn't like and am now looking to reinvest the proceeds. I sold one of yours, I think, an old instroke buffalo. Too heavy, and strangely sterile.
Anyway, a couple of things:
1. This thread was created to hear about other case makers, so kindly stay out of it. Your sandwich board ads are all over it. Let other case makers have a go for a change.
2. You don't want people questioning the benefits of one item for sale - aiming systems, say - but you see it as your moral duty to inform the world about minor differences in production techniques employed by a rival casemaker. One criticism is hurtful and damaging to the reputation of the seller, whilst the other is a public service and your mission in life to keep people fully informed and protected. John 'Both Ways' Barton.
As ever, dude, gotcha.
Anyway, that's rhetorical. No need for an 80 paragraph response on your hypocrisy, as utterly amusing as that would be.
You don't like John, we get it...
This thread is not about other case makers, this thread is about "Case maker recommendations." What if we all refer you to John? His ultrapad interior is far superior than just about everything out there.
If you don't want a case from John, I recommended Chuck Fields. I guess you were too busy bashing John to notice that. You only poke the fire when you want to keep it burning; So stop playing the victim.
Jack Justis also posted here. While I wouldn't recommend his cases, because I'm biased to Ultrapad, his leather work is phenomenal! Anyone who has seen one, in person, can attest to that.
Volturi, Dennis Swift, and other case makers have also been recommended, but it seems as though you are waiting for the "I DON'T RECOMMEND JB CASES" type post.
This goes hand in hand with a post in your other thread, if you don't like AzB and it's members... feel free to leave at anytime.