John Barton VS Lou Figueroa

Or you can do as I do, state your point of view and give a rats ass with who agrees with it and what they think about your character, cause if you are concerned what someone else thinks of your character, will, then you are living for someone else approval.

Because you have no problem essentially calling those who teach anything but the Cranfield Arrow way charlatans. When you are under no obligation to prove anything you say then you are free to say anything you want whether it's truth or not. And you do.
 
True, anyone can state their opinion. The blur comes between stating fact and opinion. So are those stating that CTE PRO ONE works. Stating and opinion or fact. If they have learned to use the system and say it works. Kinda like stating a fact. Where saying the system doesn't work without even trying it. Isn't really an opinion or fact. It's just an uneducated guess. Think to counter the argument that CTE PRO ONE doesn't work. You need to learn the system to prove it doesn't work. Then you have a counter to their fact based statement.
 
We need a put up or shut up moderator. One who looks at guys like Duckie's content and says put up or shut up. Prove you can do what you claim or shut up and listen.

All the CTE guys have put up. Guys like Duckie never do.
 
John, did you not see the videos Duckie posted a few days ago?

Sure, they were from 2 years ago.
Sure, the balls weren't more than a foot apart.

He doesn't gamble, but I'd be more than happy to play him for some good ol' pride.
 
Or you can do as I do, state your point of view and give a rats ass with who agrees with it and what they think about your character, cause if you are concerned what someone else thinks of your character, will, then you are living for someone else approval.

You never contribute anything positive to this aiming forum.

Your character sucks.
 
All the CTE guys have put up. Guys like Duckie never do.

Yet Duckie DID.

Has it escaped your attention non aiming system guys are everywhere? Y'know, on TV, winning stuff left handed and that.

The burden of proof lies squarely with you lot. And I've not seen anything remotely credible in terms of that.
 
Backpack cue case

I'm buying a case. That is the best advertising gimmick I ever saw.

Me too. :D I am buying one of John's TRAVELING BACKPACK cue cases.

While this is obviously good advertising it is reaching only the AZB minions of the pool world. Sure, we are spreading the word by reading and posting in JB Cases threads but we are a small minority in the real world. Most league players still don't know what AZB is or where you go to see it. :smile:

My cue case has gotten heavier over the years and the zipper is giving me trouble so I am looking for something for travel where I have to carry the case most of the time I am gone. The BACKPACK cue case might help spread the burden around.

JoeyA
 
Yet Duckie DID.

Has it escaped your attention non aiming system guys are everywhere? Y'know, on TV, winning stuff left handed and that.

The burden of proof lies squarely with you lot. And I've not seen anything remotely credible in terms of that.

He did? Where? I missed it. Your judgment of what's credible or not is itself not credible nor important. What's important is that the video proof exists for everyone to see it. Every player on planet earth who watches Stan's or Gerry's or Mohrt's demonstrations can go to the pool table and set up the same shots and try them.

IF those players then have the same consistency then they don't need to change anything.

If they don't then they may ask themselves why they don't. They might want to try harder using their existing methods to gain more consistency. They might have success and they might not. If not then they might consider trying CTE/ProOne since it was demonstrated to them that a high level of consistency can be achieved using that method.

If they try it they will probably get better.

That's the point Tim. Your opinion doesn't matter.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vrXDrjntk



Stan, it almost looks like when you break that you do not get to a set position before you break. It almost looks like a continuous motion without a pause on your practice shots and then break...is that how you normally break? Just curious on it...Basically it looks like practice stroke, practice stroke, and then quick break with (maybe a miniscule pause).


I try to do a decent pause on my set position and actually have been tinkering with looking at the cueball when striking instead of the one with the assumption my stroke is straight and aligned to the one prior to actually getting down and breaking...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vrXDrjntk



Stan, it almost looks like when you break that you do not get to a set position before you break. It almost looks like a continuous motion without a pause on your practice shots and then break...is that how you normally break? Just curious on it...Basically it looks like practice stroke, practice stroke, and then quick break with (maybe a miniscule pause).


I try to do a decent pause on my set position and actually have been tinkering with looking at the cueball when striking instead of the one with the assumption my stroke is straight and aligned to the one prior to actually getting down and breaking...

What you described is correct but I actually prefer for myself more of a definable structure for my break. I do like a longer set as well as a definable pause. I was likely in a flurry mode for that video and not dialed in as well as I could be.

Stan Shuffett
 
We need a put up or shut up moderator. One who looks at guys like Duckie's content and says put up or shut up. Prove you can do what you claim or shut up and listen.

All the CTE guys have put up. Guys like Duckie never do.

Why do you think you need this type of moderator? Just put the moron on ignore. I've yet to see him post a single thing of value so why would I want to continue to view his posts? Or even worst, waste time responding to a troll.
 
What you described is correct but I actually prefer for myself more of a definable structure for my break. I do like a longer set as well as a definable pause. I was likely in a flurry mode for that video and not dialed in as well as I could be.

Stan Shuffett

Gotcha, thanks for the reply. The ol break is on the list to work on along with my stance and playing off the rail the next time I get the fire to play a lot of pool again (if that happens). Thanks again.
 
There's no burden. Plenty of proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vrXDrjntk

Are you prepared to call Stan Shuffet a liar and a fraud?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7X2M1lt6Zk

Are you prepared to call Gerry Williams a liar and a fraud?

Put up or shut up.

What do you mean? Are you comparing Stan and Gerry with Stephen and Ronnie?

When Stan and Gerry improve enough to be top pros, I'll take note. Until then, they'll remain where they are and the top pros will continue winning things - the overwhelming majority WITHOUT an aiming system.
 
Nowhere was that comparison made.

We are talking about CTE/Pro One and whether it works as described - it does, end of statement.



What do you mean? Are you comparing Stan and Gerry with Stephen and Ronnie?

When Stan and Gerry improve enough to be top pros, I'll take note. Until then, they'll remain where they are and the top pros will continue winning things - the overwhelming majority WITHOUT an aiming system.
 
What are we...

Children? "Do it my way! No! My way!" LOL

If someone doesn't believe what I say to be true then I don't need to force my beliefs or opinion upon them. I don't teach anyone anything unless they are receptive to my ideas. I may express myself but its a case of "when the student is ready the teacher will appear"

We don't need to validate ourselves as good players (although its entertaining to watch) or good shot makers. That's for ourselves to know. I could care less if no one else learns CTE bc that's just one edge that I BELIEVE helps me be better. He may have something he believes to be superior, does that mean that I'm gonna jump all over his method? Noooo.

All my fellow CTE'rs please take a moment to think about the situation you're being dragged into. It's an argument that u can never win. You can only live by being an example of what u represent.

A beautiful plant does not tell every onlooker that its beautiful. It only takes in water, sunlight, and soil and is what it is. It's the onlooker that makes the decision not the plant.

If someone doesn't know me and doesn't know that I use CTE sees me making more than the average pool player they may think "wow he's a good shot maker, how did u get good at that?"

As opposed to me walking in the room not taking a shot and saying CTE is the best way to make shots. Then start shooting.

I retract one of previous statements here. I do want ppl to learn CTE bc I believe it can help some ppl become better shot makers. Anything that promotes the betterment of our sport should be welcomed but that's for the player to decide not me.

Math, geometry, & physics are all a part of pool. They represent the game on paper or on a video game perfectly. But the game is physical as well. We are not programs or equations. We are people.

While Math and Science may explain what is happening. It's the physical that's performing the action.

:rolleyes:
 
There are a boatload that play like me. Nothing special there. It is a hobby.

I enjoy sharing my experiences with a great system is all.

I love the game and would like to see it advance.

Most of he comparisons came about because of people who trash a great system without trying it. It isn't for everyone but it works.

Maybe not but it is certainly implied. Why else would non system users be asked to show videos of themselves shooting, if not for the advocate to scream "look! he can't play as well as Stan or Gerry!"
 
Gerry, why waste your time. Thaiger obviously can't play a lick and more obviously, is a boorish Troll. The IGNORE function here is your friend.
 
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