Is Touch Of Inside "the teacher"
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I've been looking for a gold crown on craigslist for months to no avail; and I live in Chicago! Just as soon as I find a good home for my current table I'm going to pay $4400 for an 8 foot table and $800 for shipping to this company everyone's talking about these days. What's their name again? I forget. Oh yeah! I think I remember. They're called Diamond! I certainly hope I'm able to hit a heavy ball on my new Diamond. If not, after paying all that money, I'm going to be really disappointed.
You're right. If you're aiming center to center or center to edge, you're using a lot more than a touch of inside. You are; however, learning the fundamentals of the the T.O.I. system. After a while (maybe years!) you'll stop aiming center to center or center to edge and start creeping more towards the center of the cb. You'll then start aiming for the left side of the pocket on cut shots to the right and the right side of the pocket on cut shots to the left. At this point you'll use just a touch of inside which will send the ob into the center of the pocket: or then, maybe you'll inadvertently miss on putting the touch on the cb, which will send the ob straight into the side of the pocket you aimed for. Then; maybe you'll inadvertently put a little more than a touch of inside on the cb, which should send the ob into the opposite side of the pocket than the side you aimed for. There you have it - the 3 part pocket system! If you hit it the cb according to plan, the ob goes in the center of the pocket. If you're inadvertently off a bit, the ob still goes in one side of the pocket or the other. The system isn't error proof. You'll still miss balls. It seems to me it's about as error proof as you can get though.
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Recently, I've been working on my stance. I have (or had) no stance to speak of. I really don't (or didn't) think it made any difference how I stood. I mean, how important can it be if Jeanette Lee plays in tournaments wearing 3 inch high heals. Nevertheless, I came to the realization that stance must be important and I must be wrong for the simple reason that there are too many smart sounding players out there who emphasis it's importance. So I've been seeking out views of proper stances and trying them out for a few months. I didn't like any of them and I'd inevitably go back to my non- stance stance. A funny thing happened though. I'd be playing and become conscious of the fact that I unconsciously had been using one of those stances I didn't like for the previous 20 minutes or so. I now have a totally new stance that I use on every shot. I'm still not convinced it's all that important, but I'm warming up to the idea that it just might be.
So if there's anyone out there who's not a fan of T.O.I., my suggestion is: practice it for a while anyway. I'm sure you've wasted time on worst things. Maybe you'll unconsciously start using it some day and warm up to it...... Then again; maybe not. Has anyone ever read about these famous violinists who recount the delight that engulfed them at 5 years old when they heard Mozart for the first time. I feel no delight when I listen to Mozart. I'm fully cognizant that other people possess some intelligence that I lack which enables them to appreciate Mozart. Sometimes I tell myself that I too possess this intelligence and if I listen to Mozart for an hour or 2 and do this on a frequent basis, this intelligence will inevitably, one day, spring from it's dormancy and his music will make me writhe in ecstasy.... hasn't happened yet. I'd still rather listen to cats mate.
So if there's anyone out there who's not a fan of T.O.I., my suggestion is: practice it for a while anyway. I'm sure you've wasted time on worst things. Maybe you'll unconsciously start using it some day and warm up to it...... Then again; maybe not. Has anyone ever read about these famous violinists who recount the delight that engulfed them at 5 years old when they heard Mozart for the first time. I feel no delight when I listen to Mozart. I'm fully cognizant that other people possess some intelligence that I lack which enables them to appreciate Mozart. Sometimes I tell myself that I too possess this intelligence and if I listen to Mozart for an hour or 2 and do this on a frequent basis, this intelligence will inevitably, one day, spring from it's dormancy and his music will make me writhe in ecstasy.... hasn't happened yet. I'd still rather listen to cats mate.
Recently, I've been working on my stance.
The stance is very, very important to consistent play and there's no exceptions. The feet are the foundation of your body/stroke/game and, like any structure it's only as solid as it's foundation.
The left foot controls the angle of the left side of the body - the right foot controls the body angles of the right side of the body. Even if you make the same upper body angles they will differ relative to your feet position.
Make sure you have a system to get your right AND left foot in exactly the same position relative to the "line of the shot" or you will be in for a long disappointing pool experience.
If you don't know how to do this you can email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com and I'll be happy to
share a very effective technique or it's also on my video
'Ultimate Pool Secrets' if you want to see rather than read.
Play Well, the game is our teacher.
His Boy Elroy;4612213[B said:
The stance is very, very important to consistent play and there's no exceptions. The feet are the foundation of your body/stroke/game and, like any structure it's only as solid as it's foundation.
The left foot controls the angle of the left side of the body - the right foot controls the body angles of the right side of the body. Even if you make the same upper body angles they will differ relative to your feet position.
Make sure you have a system to get your right AND left foot in exactly the same position relative to the "line of the shot" or you will be in for a long disappointing pool experience.
If you don't know how to do this you can email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com and I'll be happy to
share a very effective technique or it's also on my video
'Ultimate Pool Secrets' if you want to see rather than read.
Play Well, the game is our teacher.
'The Game is Our Teacher'
Let me know how you like your new DVD.....and you're welcome.
'The Game is Our Teacher'
Let me know how you like your new DVD.....and you're welcome.
'The Game is Our Teacher'
After years of shooting with a standard maple shaft, I tried a TOI with a low deflection shaft. I had a couple of OB1s I'd bought a few years ago that were collecting dust, so I put down my Meucci Original from the 80's and my D-12 McDermott and screwed on a LD shaft.
As good a tool as TOI is in your toolbox using a standard maple shaft, the LD shaft is much, much better. You can control the amount of deflection easier and the cue ball floats better on stun shots. Short, tight position play improves and you eliminate a lot of the unwanted spin on stroke shots.
I was a skeptic of the LD shaft, but now I'm a convert. Especially with a TOI. If you think it's all hype like I did after playing for years with a maple shaft, I would say to take another look. You'll definitely see an improvement in cue ball control and ball pocketing. I did. :thumbup:
Best,
Mike
Not an old school purist/skeptic, anymore.
As good a tool as TOI is in your toolbox using a standard maple shaft, the LD shaft is much, much better. You can control the amount of deflection easier and the cue ball floats better on stun shots. Short, tight position play improves and you eliminate a lot of the unwanted spin on stroke shots.
I was a skeptic of the LD shaft, but now I'm a convert. Especially with a TOI. If you think it's all hype like I did after playing for years with a maple shaft, I would say to take another look. You'll definitely see an improvement in cue ball control and ball pocketing. I did. :thumbup:
Best,
Mike
Not an old school purist/skeptic, anymore.
Hey, I'm interested in getting a set of its still available.
Thanks.
what could possibly be easier or more effective?
You definitely make some great points about using the LD shaft for TOI. My shafts are regular, but they are taken down to the right size to deflect a specific amount on full table shots.
A friend of mine watched me play this weekend and I informed him of how the TOI effects my position play. He couldn't get over how it works, he has been watching me play for many years and never could figure out how I made my patterns so simple......it is simple, I play shape to use TOI on every shot (when possible) so ever shot starts looking the same.....what could possibly be easier or more effective?
You definitely make some great points about using the LD shaft for TOI. My shafts are regular, but they are taken down to the right size to deflect a specific amount on full table shots.
A friend of mine watched me play this weekend and I informed him of how the TOI effects my position play. He couldn't get over how it works, he has been watching me play for many years and never could figure out how I made my patterns so simple......it is simple, I play shape to use TOI on every shot (when possible) so ever shot starts looking the same.....what could possibly be easier or more effective?
The only aiming system to rely on is good fundamentals and repetition. Doing things over and over again while doing them correctly is the formula for success in anything that we do, isn't it?
CJ and other pros like Stevie Moore walking around with Pro one CDs are taking advantage of the fact that most beginners want a quick fix or that secret formula.
Common sense is the teacher.:wink:
"If it Feels Right, it's Probably Wrong".
TOI is not an "aiming system" - my aiming system is described in detail on my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' (along with the ultimate pre shot routine)...
TOI is an overall BALL POCKETING SYSTEM....and, yes, we all do need a repeatable pre shot routine that gets our feet AND upper body angles in the same position (relative to the line of the shot) consistently.
There's no short cut for playing great pool other than getting the best knowledge available and practicing it under an experienced eye. Making solid improvements by doing what "feels right" is next to impossible....we were NOT put on this earth to play pool, sooooooo "If it Feels Right, it's Probably Wrong".
'The Game is Our Teacher'
TOI is not an "aiming system" - my aiming system is described in detail on my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' (along with the ultimate pre shot routine)...
TOI is an overall BALL POCKETING SYSTEM....and, yes, we all do need a repeatable pre shot routine that gets our feet AND upper body angles in the same position (relative to the line of the shot) consistently.
There's no short cut for playing great pool other than getting the best knowledge available and practicing it under an experienced eye. Making solid improvements by doing what "feels right" is next to impossible....we were NOT put on this earth to play pool, sooooooo "If it Feels Right, it's Probably Wrong".
'The Game is Our Teacher'
The only aiming system to rely on is good fundamentals and repetition. Doing things over and over again while doing them correctly is the formula for success in anything that we do, isn't it?
CJ and other pros like Stevie Moore walking around with Pro one CDs are taking advantage of the fact that most beginners want a quick fix or that secret formula.
Common sense is the teacher.:wink:
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The only aiming system to rely on is good fundamentals and repetition. Doing things over and over again while doing them correctly is the formula for success in anything that we do, isn't it?
CJ and other pros like Stevie Moore walking around with Pro one CDs are taking advantage of the fact that most beginners want a quick fix or that secret formula.
Common sense is the teacher.:wink:
Perhaps a very poor choice of words, but I haven't seen Stevie Moore attempt in any way to take advantage of anyone. He is a very competent Teacher of Pro One but I guarantee you he'll never tell anyone it is a quick fix or silver bullet for their pool game.
"Common Sense is the Teacher, AND the Student"
This may be the only place people try to say that teaching advanced knowledge is an attempt to "take advantage" of someone.....of course there's no "magic bullet" - and that applies to everything worthwhile in the world....including reading, writing and arithmetic.
It's like taking advantage of a kid by teaching them the "A,B,Cs".....they still have to take the time to practice reading and writing (also with a teacher that knows how) before they can say "The A,B,C s don't work". "Common Sense is the Teacher, AND the Student"
This may be the only place people try to say that teaching advanced knowledge is an attempt to "take advantage" of someone.....of course there's no "magic bullet" - and that applies to everything worthwhile in the world....including reading, writing and arithmetic.
It's like taking advantage of a kid by teaching them the "A,B,Cs".....they still have to take the time to practice reading and writing (also with a teacher that knows how) before they can say "The A,B,C s don't work". "Common Sense is the Teacher, AND the Student"
Perhaps a poor choice of words. But, its tiring to see Pros promote aiming systems, when they themselves know that there is no substitute for working on your technique of shooting straight and then practicing different angles over and over again. They have done the same. I guarantee you, most will have an automatic aiming, meaning relying on their muscle memory so that they don't think about the mechanics of aiming. If you are thinking of an aiming system while shooting, you will never last.
'The Technique is the Teacher'
I've never met a woman that didn't like to be "touched".....in an appropriate way, technique, and situation of course.
'The Technique is the Teacher'
I've never met a woman that didn't like to be "touched".....in an appropriate way, technique, and situation of course.
'The Technique is the Teacher'
you go ahead and believe that.
Feel isn't even close to accurate enough to consistently pocket balls.
The problem with using feel is that there are to many variables to isolate problems in your mechanics. When you're learning it's vital to be able to determine when you are making errors.
Because there are so many variables you are often rewarded when you make an error. You can be aiming correctly and a stroke flaw will cause you to miss, and inversely you can be aiming incorrectly and a stroke flawCan cause you to make it.
This negative reinforcement for good behavior and positive reinforcement for bad behavior on top of bad behavior Can destroy your feel over time. Feel will teach you to repeat these mistakes and will never lead to improvement.
What systems do odds let you know that your aim is correct so that when you miss you know it is a mechanics issue and you can correct the mistake without damaging your good behaviors.
Ultimately as you improve it will be unnecessary to think about it but during the learning process it is essential.
You thinking that because at the top levels it's about feel doesn't mean that you can skip the steps necessary to develop that correct feel and learning to aim properly and isolate stroke flaw s by being aware that you are aiming correctly is one of the steps to developing the right feel.
Just hitting balls at different angles typically won't be enough for most people.
Jaden
Almost every top player has used an aiming system at some point in their development. Whether they still do is besides the point.
Feel isn't even close to accurate enough to consistently pocket balls.
The problem with using feel is that there are to many variables to isolate problems in your mechanics. When you're learning it's vital to be able to determine when you are making errors.
Because there are so many variables you are often rewarded when you make an error. You can be aiming correctly and a stroke flaw will cause you to miss, and inversely you can be aiming incorrectly and a stroke flawCan cause you to make it.
This negative reinforcement for good behavior and positive reinforcement for bad behavior on top of bad behavior Can destroy your feel over time. Feel will teach you to repeat these mistakes and will never lead to improvement.
What systems do odds let you know that your aim is correct so that when you miss you know it is a mechanics issue and you can correct the mistake without damaging your good behaviors.
Ultimately as you improve it will be unnecessary to think about it but during the learning process it is essential.
You thinking that because at the top levels it's about feel doesn't mean that you can skip the steps necessary to develop that correct feel and learning to aim properly and isolate stroke flaw s by being aware that you are aiming correctly is one of the steps to developing the right feel.
Just hitting balls at different angles typically won't be enough for most people.
Jaden
You use muscle memory in everything you do. It is the most consistent. Just like I am typing these words without looking at the keyboard. My mind remembers where the keys are. See where this is going?Go back and read my post again. When I say work on shooting straight, that's what I mean. Correct your stroke flaws. That would include exercises like shooting the cue ball up and down the table on the spots etc.
Also, the reason muscle memory works IS because of all the variables. Good luck calculating all the variables like distance, english, speed, angle in your head and adjusting your "aiming system" in a match.
Again, you are twisting my words. I did not say just hit balls. I said practice angles over and over again. Most people are intelligent enough to adjust if they are cutting a ball incorrectly at a certain angle. There is no substitute for practice.
Anyways, I think I am done with this post. If you want to buy some aiming/pocketing system DVD, go ahead. Then be honest to yourself and use the aiming system in every situation, on every shot, in every match. Let me know when you quit using it.
that will only work if you develop a straight stroke...
That only works if you develop a straight stroke before you EVER try to pocket a ball. Otherwise you're working up hill.
But you're right. If you develop perfect mechanics and stroke right all the time then you can develop aiming from feel.
It's about being able to isolate where you make mistakes. I teach people to practice good fundamental mechanics before ever hitting a ball.
But I still also teach ways to aim accurately. There are situations where knowing that your aim is right is essential.
Jaden
Go back and read my post again. When I say work on shooting straight, that's what I mean. Correct your stroke flaws. That would include exercises like shooting the cue ball up and down the table on the spots etc.
Also, the reason muscle memory works IS because of all the variables. Good luck calculating all the variables like distance, english, speed, angle in your head and adjusting your "aiming system" in a match.
Again, you are twisting my words. I did not say just hit balls. I said practice angles over and over again. Most people are intelligent enough to adjust if they are cutting a ball incorrectly at a certain angle. There is no substitute for practice.
Anyways, I think I am done with this post. If you want to buy some aiming/pocketing system DVD, go ahead. Then be honest to yourself and use the aiming system in every situation, on every shot, in every match. Let me know when you quit using it.
That only works if you develop a straight stroke before you EVER try to pocket a ball. Otherwise you're working up hill.
But you're right. If you develop perfect mechanics and stroke right all the time then you can develop aiming from feel.
It's about being able to isolate where you make mistakes. I teach people to practice good fundamental mechanics before ever hitting a ball.
But I still also teach ways to aim accurately. There are situations where knowing that your aim is right is essential.
Jaden