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Gareth Potts vs SVB.. who wins?
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One million percent agree. Said near enough the same from the start
No need. He has publically said as much already.
Then you have a source you can link to?
I will amend my statement and give you the benefit of the doubt on Darren's mindset.
If polled, I think that the VAST majority of professional players would consider the US Open to be a world title is the statement I will go with.
In other words whether the US Open is "sanctioned" by any acronym to win it is the same level of accomplishment as winning any other event anywhere else on the globe BECAUSE of the strength of the field.
Why this is even a discussion point is really silly.
Just concede the point and move on.
Then you have a source you can link to?
I will amend my statement and give you the benefit of the doubt on Darren's mindset.
If polled, I think that the VAST majority of professional players would consider the US Open to be a world title is the statement I will go with.
In other words whether the US Open is "sanctioned" by any acronym to win it is the same level of accomplishment as winning any other event anywhere else on the globe BECAUSE of the strength of the field.
Why this is even a discussion point is really silly.
Just concede the point and move on.
http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/print.php?sid=2323
Does Darren use an aiming system at all?
Styles Styles Styles - Murrkin - Britt - Pinoy
I say that the rules can be precisely the same and the equipment can be precisely the same for a given sport and the approach to playing the game will more than like be markedly different from two different societies. Such is the case we have with any cue sport where American . Philipino or British styles are concerned. Each has their own method and madness.
Americans are direct, creative and use a good deal of finesse (TO MY EYES). Philipinos are more calculating precise than Americans and have a good head for creativity in bad situations. Britts tend to be 2-dimensional unless they spend a great deal of time playing people from around the world..... Appleton is likely the best example of an English player that has learned to grow beyond the shackles of the snooker stroke slave oar. Which is not to say that other style have nothing to learn from English snooker style precision and consistency (far be it).
As far as chances of survival against each other wish regard to each player being of a pure breed of pool style Like American, Phlipino or English, I would have to say that I like a pure Philipino style player because it has melded the best traits from many types of cue sports. The genetic code is just a tad deeper in pinoy pool. Americans have trouble adjusting to playing freaks like philipinos, but not as much trouble as Britts do on the average.
Like anything else, people can learn.... and they do. But that is my take on the differences between styles in any cue sport, and I am so grateful that there are differences in styles. It just means I have that much more to learn and enjoy.
Lesh
I say that the rules can be precisely the same and the equipment can be precisely the same for a given sport and the approach to playing the game will more than like be markedly different from two different societies. Such is the case we have with any cue sport where American . Philipino or British styles are concerned. Each has their own method and madness.
Americans are direct, creative and use a good deal of finesse (TO MY EYES). Philipinos are more calculating precise than Americans and have a good head for creativity in bad situations. Britts tend to be 2-dimensional unless they spend a great deal of time playing people from around the world..... Appleton is likely the best example of an English player that has learned to grow beyond the shackles of the snooker stroke slave oar. Which is not to say that other style have nothing to learn from English snooker style precision and consistency (far be it).
As far as chances of survival against each other wish regard to each player being of a pure breed of pool style Like American, Phlipino or English, I would have to say that I like a pure Philipino style player because it has melded the best traits from many types of cue sports. The genetic code is just a tad deeper in pinoy pool. Americans have trouble adjusting to playing freaks like philipinos, but not as much trouble as Britts do on the average.
Like anything else, people can learn.... and they do. But that is my take on the differences between styles in any cue sport, and I am so grateful that there are differences in styles. It just means I have that much more to learn and enjoy.
Lesh
TheThaiger
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Then you have a source you can link to?
I will amend my statement and give you the benefit of the doubt on Darren's mindset.
If polled, I think that the VAST majority of professional players would consider the US Open to be a world title is the statement I will go with.
In other words whether the US Open is "sanctioned" by any acronym to win it is the same level of accomplishment as winning any other event anywhere else on the globe BECAUSE of the strength of the field.
Why this is even a discussion point is really silly.
Just concede the point and move on.
Lol.
What part of 'US Open' contains the words "World" and "Championship"?
None. What part of China Open contains the words world and championship?
And the WPA sanctioned China Open isn't even a true OPEN event.
The point is what is world class and you contend that ONLY people who won WCs are world class and everyone else is not. Thus there is actually only one world class player per year in each discipline and sometimes no world class players according to your logic.
Denigrating the US Open as if it's not a world class event isn't helping your cause.
I didn't find anything in the interview that indicated Darren feels that the US Open isn't a world title. He obviously puts more weight on the World Championship but then again what player wouldn't value a WC over a US Open? That in no way makes the US Open not a worthy WORLD title.
"The way I look at it is that there are so many great players I don’t’ really look at myself that way. I just think that I can beat them. As long as I’m good enough to beat them then that’s the main thing for me." - Darren Appleton
TheThaiger
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Who said the China Open was a World Championship? World Champions are World Champions, that is all you need to know.
And as for 'denigrating the US Open', given who bothers to turn up these days, the pool world doesn't need any help from me on that score.
Lesh:
A nice synopsis in your post overall, but the above extract is wrong. Darren doesn't come from a snooker background at all. He comes from English 8-ball / Blackball. The stance used resembles a pool stance with the turned [away from the shot line] hips and rear foot. Even Darren admits (in a TAR interview, when questioned about his feelings towards the 10-foot American pool tables that some tourneys/challenge matches are played on) that he'd have to tighten his fundamentals to play on larger American pool tables, or even snooker.
Just FYI,
-Sean
So to boil this down,
Your opinion is that the only world class players are those that have won a world championship and of them ONLY the current world champion?
I think we are done here.
John:
It's actually very simple. They have to be Brits, or otherwise "other-than-Americans" to qualify.
To get an idea, go get a globe, take a razor knife, and carefully score the outline of the USA into the paper on the surface of the globe. Then, peel away that paper, leaving a hole the shape of the USA on the surface of that globe. What you have left are the countries that are eligible.
In other words, still-colonized or yet-to-be-colonized countries are eligible, but countries that've kicked the Brits out and won their independence are ineligible.
That's how it works.
-Sean
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TheThaiger
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If that's what you're seeing when you read my posts, for once I'm inclined to agree with you.
I am immune to your swerving and deflection and you know it.
TheThaiger
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John:
It's actually very simple. They have to be Brits, or otherwise "other-than-Americans" to qualify.
To get an idea, go get a globe, take a razor knife, and carefully score the outline of the USA into the paper on the surface of the globe. Then, peel away that paper, leaving a hole the shape of the USA on the surface of that globe. What you have left are the countries that are eligible.
In other words, still-colonized or yet-to-be-colonized countries are eligible, but countries that've kicked the Brits out and won their independence are ineligible.
That's how it works.
-Sean
No one has to be anything, other than world champions. It's not a terribly difficult concept to grasp, Sean. Obviously Barton's always going to struggle to differentiate between national and international events, but I would have thought someone who has sailed the seven seas would have a clue.
When was the last American world champion, again? Do you think the inbuilt inferiority complex you yourself amply display on this very site is holding your boys back from performing on the international stage? I think there's something in this, and explains why SVB can't even tie his own shoelaces abroad.
You achieved independence from your colonial overloads centuries ago. There's really no need to worry; we aren't going to return. You are perfectly free to go about your business without the fear - some would say excitement - of us coming back and telling you what to do. Where we once sent soldiers, we now send pool players. Someone has to show you how to play. Once again, it is our burden.
Ah, I see I touched a nerve. What John's trying to get at, is you're being pedantic with the "world class" vs "world champion" thing. He's trying to say you don't have to have won a world championship to be world class, that's all. But you're sticking to the words on the page, where "world" "must" mean "world champion."
Spirit of the law vs. letter of the law, Tim.
Now THAT is probably one of the most hilarious examples of projection I've seen yet.
Projection glued onto a completely unrelated topic -- now that is precious!
You are chock full of goodies, Tim! SVB can't tie his own shoelaces abroad?
Ah yes, instead of the UK players defecting to the US to get the hell out of the UK for a better life / better opportunities, it's all a secret government conspiracy to "educate the rebels" on how to play.
You're priceless. :thumbup2:
-Sean
So since only players that win World Championships are considered "world class", then Yukio Akagariyama, Daryl Peach, Huidji See and Karol Skowerski are "world class" whereas SVB is not. Lol.
I'll tell you what Thaiger (or anyone else that likes their end of it). For the next year, any tournament that these 4 guys enter that SVB also plays in we should have a friendly wager. If Shane finishes higher than one of your guys I win $20. If one of your guys finishes higher than Shane YOU win $20. If Shane doesn't even cash you might win $20 for each of your players if they advance farther than him. Sounds like easy money for you.
Just to make it more interesting for you. You can add any 6 other players to make a list of ten. Orcollo, Boyes, Appleton, whomever. Same bet for them. We can even limit it to the 5 WPA ranking events (3 of which are held overseas where Shane can't tie his shoelaces) since so may of you seem to think everything begins and ends with those rankings. That means I don't get DCC or SBE or USBTC. I guess I just hate money.
I'll tell you what Thaiger (or anyone else that likes their end of it). For the next year, any tournament that these 4 guys enter that SVB also plays in we should have a friendly wager. If Shane finishes higher than one of your guys I win $20. If one of your guys finishes higher than Shane YOU win $20. If Shane doesn't even cash you might win $20 for each of your players if they advance farther than him. Sounds like easy money for you.
Just to make it more interesting for you. You can add any 6 other players to make a list of ten. Orcollo, Boyes, Appleton, whomever. Same bet for them. We can even limit it to the 5 WPA ranking events (3 of which are held overseas where Shane can't tie his shoelaces) since so may of you seem to think everything begins and ends with those rankings. That means I don't get DCC or SBE or USBTC. I guess I just hate money.
TheThaiger
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Maybe he had sinusitis
It took a while, but lol.
I heard it was a bit of a headache and that.
TheThaiger
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You miss the point. If SVB fails to win a world title before he retires, will he ever be classed as being a world class player? In 30 year's time, AZB nerds will be unanimous over Strickland and Archer, but less so over SVB. Perceptions change with time.
I actually fear for SVB. If he decides he can't be bothered to play pool for 10 hours a day any more, and goes into a slow decline, the backlash will be horrible. He has too much pressure and expectation on his shoulders.