Did The JB vs Lou Match Settle The Great Aiming Debate Once & For All?
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But you made a point of showing where the 'V' in your bridge hand fell (on both methods), and it fell on the left or right side of the tape. So, what I am saying is that, since your 'V' ends up on either the left or right edge of the tape you placed, the length of the bridge would matter, either way: manual, or sweep.
No?
I totally get what you are saying. I am the same way. It took a leap of faith for me with CTE as I was already very good at pocketing balls with GB and CP. I managed to let go of those methods for a while and commit to CTE time on the table. It was not easy at first and I struggled, went backwards for a bit. But I stuck with it and I reached that moment when it clicked it became very simple. I now pocket balls better than I ever have.
As you can see there are many here who are willing to help if u want it..
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The bridge distance is SUPREMELY important for manual but having said that,
once I am on the shot line with manual I could shorten or lengthen my bridge distance.
Bridge distances are not restricted in Pro One.
Stan Shuffett
... a pile of parts. What a stupid quote.
Really? Now that's funny. I'm a Mechanical Engineer by degree and have spent years in many Automotive Tier I, II, III and Assembly Plants throughout the Midwest. That includes Nissan, Honda and Toyota. For you to make that statement simply shows how foolish and naive you are. I've also observed the work Stan has done first hand. What's he done, overall, is much more thorough. If you saw some of the nimrods assembling that vehicle you trust so much, you'd probably walk instead of drive.
Well, sure, that's a given, right? But I'm still stuck on what this latest video showed and how it related to bridge length.
So... I'll go back and watch it again.
But not now, I'm off to play pool, and not just talk about it. Tonight's our league night.
Cheers.
I just re-read this. In regard to the last paragraph, Stan has already done the work and validation. If you are truly interested in learning CTE then you need to trust his work as he is the CTE Engineer.
Cheers
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How well do you play? You have any videos we can see of your play. Just curious if you play as good as your words make you sound.
No.
When you sweep bridge length doesn't matter. Only when using manual pivot.
Just try it for yourself. Set up the same shot. Vary the bridge length after sweeping to center cue ball and you will see that it makes no difference.
But of course you can't because you are obsessed by theoretical preconceptions and can't actually get to the table to see it with your own eyes.
Varying the bridge length after sweeping to center cue ball is not the question. But of course, that makes no difference since your preconceptions about what I will or won't do are already fixed.
Yes, you can tell based on the position of the CB and OB on the table. The pocket isn't really needed but it does help sometimes. We know where the pockets are for the most part, even without seeing them.
Concerning pocket location.
It is not so much knowing where the exact center pocket is in REAL CTE it's about knowing that the system connects to right angles. ( IF a pocket were significantly blinded and I had to point directly to center pocket, I could not do that. I might even point totally away from the pocket opening.)
What is key, though, in REAL CTE, with a blinded pocket is to know the know right angle locations. The system gives shot lines that aim in an overcut to right angles, more specifically to an over cut of center pocket that represents the heart of a 90 degree angle.
That is why getting behind an OB is not necessary or why a curtain essentially makes little difference in demonstration.
Stan Shuffett
It is not so much knowing where the exact center pocket is in REAL CTE it's about knowing that the system connects to right angles. ( IF a pocket were significantly blinded and I had to point directly to center pocket, I could not do that. I might even point totally away from the pocket opening.)
What is key, though, in REAL CTE, with a blinded pocket is to know the know right angle locations. The system gives shot lines that aim in an overcut to right angles, more specifically to an over cut of center pocket that represents the heart of a 90 degree angle.
That is why getting behind an OB is not necessary or why a curtain essentially makes little difference in demonstration.
Stan Shuffett
C'mon Gerry the pocket has everything to do with how you will perceive the shot,please stop attaching these mysterious magical things to the system .lol When I watch you or Stan play ,it seems to me you guys are aligning to the shot in upward position then falling straight into the shot line. I can't really see a sweep. Are you guys seeing the actual aiming line while your up?
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The pocket location drives the visual chosen but I do not need to see the pocket to make that choice - I know where it is from experience. What possible motivation would I have to add anything 'magical' - I am and have been completely honest on here.
You cannot see the sweep but I move in 2 different ways depending on the shot. Hard to pick up but it is there. I know because I physically feel the difference - rotation in left sweep, no rotation in right sweep.
From the standing position I see the visual needed for the shot, I am not on the shot line - the sweep brings me to the shot line.
Cheers,
Gerry
You cannot see the sweep but I move in 2 different ways depending on the shot. Hard to pick up but it is there. I know because I physically feel the difference - rotation in left sweep, no rotation in right sweep.
From the standing position I see the visual needed for the shot, I am not on the shot line - the sweep brings me to the shot line.
Cheers,
Gerry
Thing about a car is that is something is broken, the broken part can be seen, touched.
Everything about a car is based on real world concepts. You do not have to visualize any part of a car to use the car.
You might believe the engine is magic, but it is a sub system made up of real components, nothing needs to be visualized to use.
Now, how the parts go together may require visualization skills. even with pictures.
At one time, when asked what I did for a living, my reply was...."I make engineers cry".....I was doing QA testing of software, firmware, and hardware....I broke their shit...... trust me, a engineering degree does not automatically make you one nor does it mean you are the smartest person in the room.
I've dealt with systems all my life. Growing up, I took stuff apart to see what was inside, rebuilt cars, motorcycles, Navy......systems on the P3, security/video systems, did land surveying the old school way......hence my drawings......
Because of this, I, as well as others, can not accept it "just works". Our life experiences does not allow for this whereas yours may allow for this.
It is more a matter of being forth right about some of the statements being used, most recently, the pocket does not matter.
Regarding this, I understand what that means, but the wording really does not reflect the true meaning. The true meaning is that after time, the needed amount of attention need for the pocket goes down. This is where HAMB comes into play. You can not be proficient in pool without HAMB, AKA practice.
I have noticed there is a new category of CTE user......the SEASONED CTE user.........now the qualifiers begin...... but they are not a "seasoned" CTE user.....
My question is does one kind of seasoning make one a better CTE player than another type of seasoning......
Everything about a car is based on real world concepts. You do not have to visualize any part of a car to use the car.
You might believe the engine is magic, but it is a sub system made up of real components, nothing needs to be visualized to use.
Now, how the parts go together may require visualization skills. even with pictures.
At one time, when asked what I did for a living, my reply was...."I make engineers cry".....I was doing QA testing of software, firmware, and hardware....I broke their shit...... trust me, a engineering degree does not automatically make you one nor does it mean you are the smartest person in the room.
I've dealt with systems all my life. Growing up, I took stuff apart to see what was inside, rebuilt cars, motorcycles, Navy......systems on the P3, security/video systems, did land surveying the old school way......hence my drawings......
Because of this, I, as well as others, can not accept it "just works". Our life experiences does not allow for this whereas yours may allow for this.
It is more a matter of being forth right about some of the statements being used, most recently, the pocket does not matter.
Regarding this, I understand what that means, but the wording really does not reflect the true meaning. The true meaning is that after time, the needed amount of attention need for the pocket goes down. This is where HAMB comes into play. You can not be proficient in pool without HAMB, AKA practice.
I have noticed there is a new category of CTE user......the SEASONED CTE user.........now the qualifiers begin...... but they are not a "seasoned" CTE user.....
My question is does one kind of seasoning make one a better CTE player than another type of seasoning......
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You won't be able to see the sweep. It starts with just the eyes moving 1/2 tip to center with the body following that eye sweep. This is done while bending over. No way you are going to be able to actually see a sweep. Very difficult to pick up when one knows exactly what to look for.
Experience from learning fixed locations is the only answer for not needing to know where the pocket is. This sweep thing is what's baffling .Does the sweep or when the bridge hand hits the table create the final aiming line?
All your supposed training and expertise, and yet you never thought of simply reverse engineering CTE to see that it does work. Thanks for once again showing that you really don't know what you are talking about.
In Pro 1, when your bridge hand hits the table, you are on the shot line.
Yes, experience from fixed locations is nice to know. That is because the system will take you to a pocket. However, it may not be the pocket you want. That is why experience is beneficial. Once on your shot line, experience will tell you "yes, that looks right for where I want it to go", or, "no, that set me up to bank it". If you see from experience that you are obviously not lined up correctly, then you simply stand up and sweep from the other direction or use a different visual perspective from what you initially chose. That is, B instead of A, for an example. But, even with no experience, the system when used properly will set you up to a pocket somewhere.