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JB Cases said:
It's ok. Past is past. When I am ready we will make a game. Seeing that you are willing I am willing to go for a much larger amount. I paid the first ten to get all the baggage out of my system.
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I call bull-sheet-toe.

You could have bet $25,000 10 days ago.

You weren't even willing to cover the $500 a game side bet we had agreed to months prior.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I call bull-sheet-toe.

You could have bet $25,000 10 days ago.

You weren't even willing to cover the $500 a game side bet we had agreed to months prior.

Lou Figueroa
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Well, you are entitled to think whatever you want. When I am ready I will ask you to play again. If you want to play then we will. If not then don't. Be happy I donated what I did.

If you really want to play pool for a lot of money now then have your backer put up the money to play other people.

Seems to me that you still think you are stealing. If so then feel free to offer me weight that makes it gambling Lou.

As I said, congratulations on your win. You stayed steady and outwardly calm and that was commendable. I played like a donkey and showed my ass and handed you the match.

I am happy that you are indicating that you would be willing to play again. I would be willing to in your position if I had a backer willing to put up almost all of the money. I am sorry that it appears you made this trip and didn't earn very much. That's the downside to being a backed player. Win or lose for me it's all my money so I feel the whole loss but I celebrate the whole win. Maybe next time you will take more of the action yourself and thus earn more so as to get the ecstasy that comes from earning a victory AND getting all the money for it.

Again congratulations, I learned a lot, you played solidly and it was an experience. Won't be too long and I will ask you to play again. If you do then we can dance again and see how it comes out.

Thanks also for spoiling the VIDEOS thread. This thread was started to showcase the videos people have made on CTE/ProOne. I know you are enjoying the gloating as you should and it's fun to point out my mannerisms but you don't have to spoil threads that have nothing to do with the match.

I intend to make plenty of fun of my own inadequacies using the footage of our ten hours of play. There is an awful lot of "don't do this" behavior to show and learn from.

Take care and see you down the road.
 
BasementDweller said:
I don't know Sean. I think you sort of implied that you thought his stroke would be adequate.

I was kind of wondering at the time what you were referring to that's why I remembered the post.

Here's the post in question:



http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4593991&postcount=98
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That's right, I did write that. Notice the part about "other than fundamentals, stroke hitches, etc." -- I was dismissing those, because I was focusing on the real reason why I thought John would have a formidable challenge in this match. Wetware has a LOT to do with whether your fundamentals break down. Even snooker players are known to have a breach in their fundamentals when the stress is too much, or their mental game is not up to snuff.

Also, I tend to not get into a fundamentals discussion with pool players, because, frankly, most don't understand. Until one puts forth the effort to learn proper square-on fundamentals, it's a lost cause, because the "comfort" issue comes into play as a defense (which is a bull sheet excuse, because anything new is uncomfortable at first). So, the fundamentals issue is just a dismissive wave-of-the-hand (e.g. "talk to the hand") stance on my part when talking to a pool player. That is, unless, they are truly willing to learn.

If John had stayed down and not jumped up on most of his shots, if John had not chicken-winged shots, etc., you all would not be saying anything about his fundamentals. You would just assume his fundamentals were adequate, or even good -- from a pool player perspective. But without a locked-in, solid foundation, mental pressure has even more of an effect. And it was this mental pressure "breaching the dam" that I foresaw possibly happening. The cracks in the dam were already there.

John spent a considerable amount of time learning the game of one pocket -- that I know. "Knowing how to play the game" wasn't going to be an issue. In fact, after the initial sell-out games when John finally woke up on the first day, there were many shot choices John made which were quite good -- many times he was making better choices than Lou, IMHO -- but John would pooch the shot bad because he hit it way too hard, or too soft, or not accurately predict where the cue ball was going to go. It was the wetware umbrella -- which covers all aspect of game play, including fundamentals, choosing the correct shot, accurately predicting where the cue ball would go (and executing upon it), etc. -- that did it all in. Not having the correct mindset will short-circuit everything, including fundamentals, shot choices, and the execution thereof.

Just wanted to clarify. Sorry for the late reply to this thread, btw, as I was traveling this week for business.

-Sean
 
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JB Cases said:
Well, you are entitled to think whatever you want. When I am ready I will ask you to play again. If you want to play then we will. If not then don't. Be happy I donated what I did.

If you really want to play pool for a lot of money now then have your backer put up the money to play other people.

Seems to me that you still think you are stealing. If so then feel free to offer me weight that makes it gambling Lou.

As I said, congratulations on your win. You stayed steady and outwardly calm and that was commendable. I played like a donkey and showed my ass and handed you the match.

I am happy that you are indicating that you would be willing to play again. I would be willing to in your position if I had a backer willing to put up almost all of the money. I am sorry that it appears you made this trip and didn't earn very much. That's the downside to being a backed player. Win or lose for me it's all my money so I feel the whole loss but I celebrate the whole win. Maybe next time you will take more of the action yourself and thus earn more so as to get the ecstasy that comes from earning a victory AND getting all the money for it.

Again congratulations, I learned a lot, you played solidly and it was an experience. Won't be too long and I will ask you to play again. If you do then we can dance again and see how it comes out.

Thanks also for spoiling the VIDEOS thread. This thread was started to showcase the videos people have made on CTE/ProOne. I know you are enjoying the gloating as you should and it's fun to point out my mannerisms but you don't have to spoil threads that have nothing to do with the match.

I intend to make plenty of fun of my own inadequacies using the footage of our ten hours of play. There is an awful lot of "don't do this" behavior to show and learn from.

Take care and see you down the road.
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John, I was plenty pleased with my part of the action -- I was good, win or lose.

And I don't think I'm stealing, at one point we were 6-5 if I recall.

As to the thread -- CTE threads are, somewhat obviously, a dime a dozen here, so I didn't spoil anything. If you feel this one is ruined, crank up another, or another, or another. I know you don't have any trouble typing.

Lastly, I am not gloating. My comment was to point out that you did not honor what you said you would do as far as any number of bets were concerned -- there is no escaping that. And in that regard you now have greatly diminished credibility when you say you want to play for X amount of cash. It's hard to take you seriously anymore, based upon what you said you would do and what you were actually willing to do over the course of the last four months.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
John, I was plenty pleased with my part of the action -- I was good, win or lose.

And I don't think I'm stealing, at one point we were 6-5 if I recall.

As to the thread -- CTE threads are, somewhat obviously, a dime a dozen here, so I didn't spoil anything. If you feel this one is ruined, crank up another, or another, or another. I know you don't have any trouble typing.

Lastly, I am not gloating. My comment was to point out that you did not honor what you said you would do as far as any number of bets were concerned -- there is no escaping that. And in that regard you now have greatly diminished credibility when you say you want to play for X amount of cash. It's hard to take you seriously anymore, based upon what you said you would do and what you were actually willing to do over the course of the last four months.

Lou Figueroa
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You or your backers should have called me when I offered to double the bet and post the entire 20.

You didn't and so Lou you lost your opportunity to make more money.

A man has the right to change his mind. I didn't have to play you at all and could have told you and LaLumiere to screw yourselves on the 3k show up money.

But I did not. I played for ten as agreed on.

Now I don't care what you believe. If I say I have 30 or 60 or 100k to post up then all you need to do is beg Mike for the money and post it.

If either of us doesn't post then you can whine.

Nothing is diminished. If I want to cancel sidebets before the game starts then that is my choice.

Again be happy you won. The victory was surely more important than the money.

And yes you are spoiling the thread with your hijack. You know that full well but if this is how you want to go about it go ahead.

To the victor goes the spoils and so run around and do your happy dance. You earned it.

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JB Cases said:
You or your backers should have called me when I offered to double the bet and post the entire 20.

You didn't and so Lou you lost your opportunity to make more money.

A man has the right to change his mind. I didn't have to play you at all and could have told you and LaLumiere to screw yourselves on the 3k show up money.

But I did not. I played for ten as agreed on.

Now I don't care what you believe. If I say I have 30 or 60 or 100k to post up then all you need to do is beg Mike for the money and post it.

If either of us doesn't post then you can whine.

Nothing is diminished. If I want to cancel sidebets before the game starts then that is my choice.

Again be happy you won. The victory was surely more important than the money.

And yes you are spoiling the thread with your hijack. You know that full well but if this is how you want to go about it go ahead.

To the victor goes the spoils and so run around and do your happy dance. You earned it.

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Well at least we would have collected $3K if you would have said, "Go screw yourselves" :-)

So yes, a man has a right to change his mind. In a situation like this the only cost is: your credibility on the group; your honor when it comes to gambling with anyone here; your word as a man; and "face" as it is generally understood in most parts of the world. Whatever you want to call it -- you lost it. And most folks would consider all that far more valuable than $10K.

Personally, I would have rather swallowed razor blades than weasel out of so many bets like you did. I never understood, till now, in what alternate universe you thought I wouldn't show up to play. Now that you have so completely and thoroughly showed what you are made of, I understand how you could think that someone else would stoop to that.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Well at least we would have collected $3K if you would have said, "Go screw yourselves" :-)

So yes, a man has a right to change his mind. In a situation like this the only cost is: your credibility on the group; your honor when it comes to gambling with anyone here; your word as a man; and "face" as it is generally understood in most parts of the world. Whatever you want to call it -- you lost it. And most folks would consider all that far more valuable than $10K.

Personally, I would have rather swallowed razor blades than weasel out of so many bets like you did. I never understood, till now, in what alternate universe you thought I wouldn't show up to play. Now that you have so completely and thoroughly showed what you are made of, I understand how you could think that someone else would stoop to that.

Lou Figueroa
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Oh nonsense. I didn't weasel out of anything.

Your own friends thought you wouldn't show up.

My credibility is intact with everyone who matters.

You don't matter. Lie some more does not matter.

When its time to go again I will apply the lessons I learned and then we can see if you will play. If you think you have the nuts then offer me weight and see how fast I post the money.



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Also Lou I am working hard to pump up so we can go again before you get too old. So if you don't mind I have said my piece and anything else is kind of pointless right now until I have the extra money to post up.
 
JB Cases said:
Oh nonsense. I didn't weasel out of anything.

Your own friends thought you wouldn't show up.

My credibility is intact with everyone who matters.

You don't matter. Lie some more does not matter.

When its time to go again I will apply the lessons I learned and then we can see if you will play. If you think you have the nuts then offer me weight and see how fast I post the money.



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My friends knew I would show. Whomever you spoke to, not so much.

Your credibility... I doubt you could now get down in the Action Forum without posting. I would not have that problem.

I do not think I have the nuts. Stop whining.

Before the match you said: We have a $500 a game bet; you would take all side action at the venue; and that you would go up to $30k. You crawfished on all three.

I said: I wanted to play for $25K and wanted to bet $500 a game. I reiterated both *on camera* and had money on-hand to post up both bets.

Have a nice day.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
My friends knew I would show. Whomever you spoke to, not so much.

Your credibility... I doubt you could now get down in the Action Forum without posting. I would not have that problem.

I do not think I have the nuts. Stop whining.

Before the match you said: We have a $500 a game bet; you would take all side action at the venue; and that you would go up to $30k. You crawfished on all three.

I said: I wanted to play for $25K and wanted to bet $500 a game. I reiterated both *on camera* and had money on-hand to post up both bets.

Have a nice day.

Lou Figueroa
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I said I would decide whether or not to give you more action at the venue. I decided not to. Suck it up. You had four opportunities to call my double and you dogged it four times. I would have posted the whole 20 and your backer decided not to call the bet. So when your group let that go you lost the opportunity.

I can get action in the action room without posting. For what I bet in there and my frequency it's no problem. I go in there a few times a year if that to bet $50 on a pool match. You go in to bet how much? Try never.

So don't act like you are suddenly a gambler. You're a $20 one pocket player. You made one big bet in your life with most of it, 80% covered by other people. You claimed you had half but then said you had only a few thousand. So please don't act like you were even the instigator for all this. You only got in because you were backed. On your own you wouldn't even play for $100 a game. You know this, everyone knows this, all the people in St. Louis know this, friends and others.

I hope Mike gave you a little more for your effort. You did a great job. Some backers are more generous than others.
 
SakuJack said:
Who took you for $10k.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but you hardly cover yourself in glory with comments like this.
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Lou did. That doesn't make him a gambler. Chill out. He stepped up ONCE in his life to bet something. And even then he didn't REALLY bet much, less than $100 a game of his own money.

The backer is the one who deserves the credit. That guy is a hypocrite about gambling in pool but he does gamble and bet it up sometimes.

Although he is a world class liar the backer is the one who really had the cojones here.

Lou hasn't made one single bet with anyone else on anything else in the history of AZB in the action forum. Not one. Those guys in there bet more each week than Lou and his backer did on our match.

If Lou and his backer want to show that they really want to gamble then let him play Stan Shuffett a set in one pocket. Stan doesn't need my money but I will POST whatever he doesn't want to cover. They are four hours apart. Stan's son goes to college in St. Louis and I am sure Stan will go there to play on the same table Lou plays on every day.

But the fact is Jack, that Lou doesn't want to play anyone who can REALLY play. Not for more than $20 a game. He knows it and everyone else knows it.

Now that they have a 10k head start who will be next?

NO ONE that's who.

Other than myself Lou will play exactly ZERO challengers and he might not even play me when the time comes. That question will be settled some time in the future.
 
JB Cases said:
I said I would decide whether or not to give you more action at the venue. I decided not to. Suck it up. You had four opportunities to call my double and you dogged it four times. I would have posted the whole 20 and your backer decided not to call the bet. So when your group let that go you lost the opportunity.

I can get action in the action room without posting. For what I bet in there and my frequency it's no problem. I go in there a few times a year if that to bet $50 on a pool match. You go in to bet how much? Try never.

So don't act like you are suddenly a gambler. You're a $20 one pocket player. You made one big bet in your life with most of it, 80% covered by other people. You claimed you had half but then said you had only a few thousand. So please don't act like you were even the instigator for all this. You only got in because you were backed. On your own you wouldn't even play for $100 a game. You know this, everyone knows this, all the people in St. Louis know this, friends and others.

I hope Mike gave you a little more for your effort. You did a great job. Some backers are more generous than others.
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You also said you'd take all bets at the venue and "stack it up." You also reiterated we had a $500 a game side bet, even after you welched on all your other side bets.

And then you crawfished.

On all of it.

You stacked up nothing. You did not take the side bets you said you'd take at the venue. You renegaded on our $500 a game side bet. (And BTW, I never said I had half of it. Just like so much else, you dream stuff up.)

It's pretty clear now you were bluffing from the get-go, so its hard to believe you'd have upped the bet at any point. Sorry, John, but after welching on everything you said you'd do, your credibility is zero, nada, zilch. If anyone has something to "suck up" it's you.

Lou Figueroa
 
JB Cases said:
Lou did. That doesn't make him a gambler. Chill out. He stepped up ONCE in his life to bet something. And even then he didn't REALLY bet much, less than $100 a game of his own money.

The backer is the one who deserves the credit. That guy is a hypocrite about gambling in pool but he does gamble and bet it up sometimes.

Although he is a world class liar the backer is the one who really had the cojones here.

Lou hasn't made one single bet with anyone else on anything else in the history of AZB in the action forum. Not one. Those guys in there bet more each week than Lou and his backer did on our match.

If Lou and his backer want to show that they really want to gamble then let him play Stan Shuffett a set in one pocket. Stan doesn't need my money but I will POST whatever he doesn't want to cover. They are four hours apart. Stan's son goes to college in St. Louis and I am sure Stan will go there to play on the same table Lou plays on every day.

But the fact is Jack, that Lou doesn't want to play anyone who can REALLY play. Not for more than $20 a game. He knows it and everyone else knows it.

Now that they have a 10k head start who will be next?

NO ONE that's who.

Other than myself Lou will play exactly ZERO challengers and he might not even play me when the time comes. That question will be settled some time in the future.
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I have never claimed to be much of a player or more than a $20 a game gambler.

I think I did make a $200 side bet in the Action Room on the JJ v Justin B. match (and won).

I only played you because some folks thought it'd make for an interesting match and one guy was willing to put me in the box against you. Now I return to being a $20 a game player, and I'm good with that :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I have never claimed to be much of a player or more than a $20 a game gambler.

I think I did make a $200 side bet in the Action Room on the JJ v Justin B. match (and won).

I only played you because some folks thought it'd make for an interesting match and one guy was willing to put me in the box against you. Now I return to being a $20 a game player, and I'm good with that :-)

Lou Figueroa
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OK then we are in agreement.

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