How rare is it to be able to do this?

hang-the-9 said:
I saw the shot more as this

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move the OB to the center and Davenport use to bet he could make the ball and scratch FOLLOWING in the same pocket. I think he wanted 5 tries to make 3
 
It's one of the shots on Bert Kinisters videos to practice to improve your stroke. I don't think it's very easy, but far from impossible. I think all pros can do it, and most likely most B level players if they practiced the shot enough.
 
Double-Dave said:
On brand new cloth I am pretty sure I could do it. On a table that has been used for a few months, no chance.

I think I know 2 local players (1 is on my team) that can do it no problem. The guy on my team can
do Earl's shot (force follow an almost straight in shot around the table twice and then around a second ball) aswell.

I would say it is very rare to find someone that can do it, probably 1 in 500 league players or so (scientific guesstimation).

Edit: link to Earl's shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDGvdPR_LHo

gr. Dave
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I don't think the cloth needs to be new, just the ball polished. If I clean my CB with a turtle wax type polish, I can draw it 5x as far as when it is dirty, and my cloth is standard home cloth that is 9 years old.
 
I can't do it. best I might get is a stop shot, maybe on a good day a couple inches of draw. I could make a video to prove it if you don't believe me.

I would say less than 1/10 of 1% of poolplayers make that shot even once in their lifetime, and I think that is being generous.

steven

would love to see a video if anyone has the time.

edit: No fair tricking up old whitey with silicone spray.
 
Matt said:
Hitting a draw shot off center does cause swerve, which is basically a mini-masse. I believe that the swerve from hitting a draw shot out of the corner pocket a bit off center may be enough to make the CB curve in on the way back for a wider range than you may think. This is especially true if the pocket you are drawing back to is more generous. Because of that effect, I would challenge the assertion that drawing the CB back into the corner means that the OB would have gone into a tight pocket several feet away. I could be totally wrong, but it would be neat to see that on video.
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Before it sounded like you were saying it'll correct back to the original path if you cut the OB a small amount. Now it sounds like you meant hitting it with unintended side spin. It's true that causes a slight masse, and if you cut the OB just a hair to one side with english on that same side (so that the spin ended up being inside english), and the planets aligned, you might get the scratch you're trying for. It just seems very unlikely to me.

Center draw, a top-notch stroke, and a highly accurate full-ball hit actually sounds like the easier way to do it, even though I doubt I could pull it off myself without dozens of tries (and maybe not even then).

-Andrew
 
I could be mistaken but I think I saw Larry Nevel do that shot jacked up one handed on a bar box. Either way its a impressive shot.
 
I did it once in a tournamment match. I scratched and lost the match. adrenaline got the best of me. took me a week to calm down and realize:banghead: I should have went rail first.
 
Luxury said:
http://youtu.be/stDX6aNPpQY

In a trick shot video I made I do a similar shot around the 1:45 mark. I know his shot is significantly more difficult but I'm just a league player only.

So I'm confident he can do it and I'm 50% sure I could do it with enough incentive to abuse my equipment.


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Like the vid! Should've done the PHJ shot one-handed! haha. Good stuff:thumbup:
 
Nostroke said:
move the OB to the center and Davenport use to bet he could make the ball and scratch FOLLOWING in the same pocket. I think he wanted 5 tries to make 3
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Following is actually easier to scratch. I practice that shot and the draw to the pocket with the object ball center table. Really gets you to stay still and have a smooth straight stroke. I miss it a lot, or at least fail to both make the shot and draw/follow to the pocket.
 
mantis99 said:
It's one of the shots on Bert Kinisters videos to practice to improve your stroke. I don't think it's very easy, but far from impossible. I think all pros can do it, and most likely most B level players if they practiced the shot enough.
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Not the way the OP makes it sound. That is going from pocket opening to pocket opening, not from pocket to center table. Going ALL the way to the other end, then drawing ALL the way back again, is TOUGH. Especially with the other ball hanging as it makes it tougher to aim dead center of the ball as you can hit far off center and make it.

If you are even a mm off on either side off center, you probably won't scratch. So you have a < mm margin of error on an over 9 foot long shot.
 
Plenty of players can do it, it's just a question of how many tries it takes them
and what their make percentage is out of 100.
I'm gonna try it myself and if I don't hit in 30 tries I give up.
This could be like Jewett's 90 degree cut that drives me batty.
 
man I tried this a few times last night and I gotta say, it's pretty f*ing hard.
I had to work just to draw back jacked up like that, nevermind pocketing the ball.
And to then draw perfectly straight? I'd have better luck trying to hit an airborne golf ball with a frisbee.
 
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