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Are you okay? You don't seem yourself lately. :nanner:
Too true. Respect and encouragement. They'll find challenges and insults without anybody's help.
lmao defense is a weakness.....
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Are you okay? You don't seem yourself lately. :nanner:
Too true. Respect and encouragement. They'll find challenges and insults without anybody's help.
Well he said he's played for 100 before, he didn't try to play me for $ even after he beat me the first game(poor safety, felt was much slower than used to and it stopped a few inches short) but he's got some serious attitude so I bet he would be easy to hustle into a game. Next game I was on a good run, table laid out great, and in a series of lame events I knocked the 8 ball down early. Third game I was getting used to the table and took him. He broke, ran 5 balls, missed a shot, thought to myself, well thanks for opening it up
. Got all the way down to the 8 ball, played safe, in that he could still see both his balls, but his only angle was towards a pocket the 8 was blocking, he tried to bank anyways and left me perfectly open. He didn't come back, but he was watching me play intently the rest of the night. I'm gonna be crazy busy this week but you up for some games somewhere next week maybe? I don't gamble but I'm looking for some better games than the D- average players in town, they r making me get lazy, and always looking for some help on my game. I'll cover the beers!
LOL I'm perfectly fine, thanks for asking
Everyone who wants to either learn from the start or convert to more serious game needs to be met with a friendly attitude and encouragement. Many already think good players like to bash and laugh at the weaker ones, and sometimes they're right. We always complain about how there are less and less serious players joining in but we tend to do the exact stuff which keeps repelling them from taking a place in our ranks. We must never forget we're all human and our skill in pool has nothing to do with it. Being a good player is praiseworthy, but it's respect which makes us better men.
LOL I'm perfectly fine, thanks for asking
Everyone who wants to either learn from the start or convert to more serious game needs to be met with a friendly attitude and encouragement. Many already think good players like to bash and laugh at the weaker ones, and sometimes they're right. We always complain about how there are less and less serious players joining in but we tend to do the exact stuff which keeps repelling them from taking a place in our ranks. We must never forget we're all human and our skill in pool has nothing to do with it. Being a good player is praiseworthy, but it's respect which makes us better men.
Obviously true, but that would be people looking for help to improve and become serious about pool, not arrogant players who already know everything and only go by their own rules and talk trash about any advanced style of play. I remember playing this same guy awhile back one game at my local bar when he stopped in for a drink once, I broke, sunk nothing, he ran it all the way down to the 8 ball, got no leave, missed, and said he had to get going, he didn't stick around to see that he lost the game, I thought walking out at a time where he thought the game was his was lame
Having wrong beliefs is one thing. Being an arrogant ***** is something else. I was saying that if someone says defense is *insert a racial or a sexual insult* pool, he may just be misguided. If someone does what you described, he's a long way from getting on the right track.
This is one of the reasons why I quit playing pool in bars many years ago.
you got it all wrong jaden.
like i said earlier ... i watched pool on tv and was amazed at how effortlessly they ran racks. i was amazed at how the commentators would draw out a diagram between shots what the player was going to do next and where the cue ball would wind up.
more often than not jimmy mataya and ewa lawrence would be spot on what the shooter would do next. she wasn't bad to look at either.:grin-square:
i wanted to learn how to play like that. as i stated i did not feel welcome at that pool hall. it closed about a year later and in the 15 years i lived there another one never opened up.
as for my bcapl experience..... i enjoyed it. like though , no one was willing to teach any one any thing. as for the 9 ball team i played on...i was the best player on that team....who was gonna teach me any thing ?
the 8 ball team had a very good player but every time i called a time out to ask him what i should do he acted like it was a chore to go=ive me advice. maybe it was just the way my area was but i don't think bcapl is conducive to teaching new players.
you have the round robin format where every one id playing every 30 min or so ....when does any one have time to work with some one ?
in apa you have a race format . every one is always waiting for their turn .a lot of people spend their time waiting playing on another table. i have played people on my team and people on opposing teams while waiting for my match. any time some one makes a certain shot i ask how did they do that ? they are more than willing to show you. it seemed like bcapl players had the mentality ... i aint showing you shit you can use to beat me when we match up.
as for it taking me a while to come around to playing defense....well there are several factors involved.
number 1. you dont change what you have been doing for 30 years overnight.
2. it takes a while to learn when to play defense and when not to. you don't practice defense in the middle of a match.
3. i lacked confidence in my cue ball control for quite a while. sure i know the general area where its gonna wind up .... but to me just getting in the general area is not good enough for me....a few inches one way or the other with the cue ball can be the difference between a win or a loss. again you don't practice that in the middle of a match.
i use defense a lot now but there are days where i revert back to my old ways of trying to make every ball possible....some time it works and some times it don't.:grin-square:
a couple of examples here.
i faced a 7 a week ago who complimented me on my " killer safes " as he called them .
a few weeks ago i was in a 4-4 race in 8 ball. after me losing 3 racks in a row trying to have a shoot out with my opponent i started playing safes. the 1st 3 racks went 4 innings. i won the next 4 in a row. the entire match went 43 innings. so yea i do know defense can win matches.
My first tournament at this bar, my first match of the tournament. No ball in hand. I have the 8 and one of my balls left at the table. 8 in the kitchen, my opponents shot. He shoots my ball in and scratches on purpose to hook me. Kinda irksome, but no big deal... see crap like that all the time in bars. it gets better.
I shoot and didn't hit it.
He drives the cueball smack into the corner pocket. I think WTF is this?! Unbelievable!
I shoot again, make good contact, but the 8 never made it out of the kitchen.
His shot again, drives it right into the corner pocket again. didn't even attempt a shot.
I throw a fit, *****ing about bar B.S. and why you have to play ball in hand. Idiot running the tournament says "rules are rules, There's no penalty for what he's doing."
Well I sit for a minute and make it look like I am lining up every angle just perfect, after all it is my 3rd attempt. My opponent has 2 balls in kitchen locked up together and one about 4 inches outside of the upper corner pocket. I continue to measure my angles, and work the crowd about "rules being rules" and such,
Well, I took the cue and put it right on the spot on the headstring, picked up the 8 out of the kitchen and set it with my hand, right in front of the corner pocket where his ball was. I quoted again, "rules are rules," "no ball in hand."
The place erupted, mixed with boos, and praise. I thought it was pretty smart, and stand by my decision.
Opponent got pissed and quit.
I shoot and didn't hit it.
He drives the cueball smack into the corner pocket. I think WTF is this?! Unbelievable!
I shoot again, make good contact, but the 8 never made it out of the kitchen.
His shot again, drives it right into the corner pocket again. didn't even attempt a shot.
I throw a fit, *****ing about bar B.S. and why you have to play ball in hand. Idiot running the tournament says "rules are rules, There's no penalty for what he's doing."
Well I sit for a minute and make it look like I am lining up every angle just perfect, after all it is my 3rd attempt. My opponent has 2 balls in kitchen locked up together and one about 4 inches outside of the upper corner pocket. I continue to measure my angles, and work the crowd about "rules being rules" and such,
Well, I took the cue and put it right on the spot on the headstring, picked up the 8 out of the kitchen and set it with my hand, right in front of the corner pocket where his ball was. I quoted again, "rules are rules," "no ball in hand."
The place erupted, mixed with boos, and praise. I thought it was pretty smart, and stand by my decision.
Opponent got pissed and quit.
This one is my favorite !! I often think it, but rarely say it b/c I know it realllly pisses ppl off ! :grin-square:
You've got quite a bit of steam for some of your ideas....
...you should get lots of green for this post....excellent.
i played in bars from the the time i was 16 to about 30 then i quit pool entirely for 20 odd years . let me give you my perspective on it if you dont mind.
remember ... you are going into their domain and pushing your way of playing on them. imagine if people come into your domain and pushed bonus ball down your throats. you would not like it and neither do bar players.
as for wishing the rules were universal. well i played all around the southeast and the rules were the same every where. the farther down south....mainly south fla where a lot of latin people are you encountered player who played bank the 8 or last pocket 8.
in the mid to late 80's i started encountering bush league players in bars who wanted to play bih rules or 9 ball.
here is my experience and what i thought about it at the time.
a guy i won a few games off of under bar rules asked to play bih. i said ok ...explain the rules 1st. well i was on the 8 and slow rolled it towards a corner pocket to avoid scratching in the other corner. 8 did not fall and nothing hits a rail. he gets bih and proceeds to run out. i thought ...damn this bih stuff makes the game too easy. i wanted nothing to do with anything to make the game easier.... for me or my opponent.
a guy i won about 5 or 6 games in a row playing bar room 8 asks to play 9 ball.i say ok. 1st rack he is on the 5. smacks the heck out of it and the 5 knocks in the 7 and he continues to shoot. i am thiking damn ...he don't make the ball he is supposed to and still gets to continue shooting ? i did not want nothing to do with 9 ball after that either.
as for me now a days... i have no problem playing by any rules , be it bar....apa...napa...bcapl or whatever. as they say...when in rome do as the romans do. so if you play in a bar ..well.... play bar rules. :grin-square: don't go in a bar and push your rules on a drunk ass redneck and complain on here he don;t like your rules. do drunk ass red necks come to your pool hall and push their rules on you ?
Well thank you
But I think what I said is already pretty obvious, it's just that some people don't realize it or don't care.let me explain the difference.
call pocket
you call a cross side bank. as soon as the ball is hit it is obvious you are off by half a diamond. the object ball hits another ball and veers into the called pocket. yea you made a legal hit. yea the correct ball went into the correct pocket. but you cannot deny it was a slop shot.
call shot.
a scenario i have been faced with numerous times. due to some achohol enhanced ego and my opponents desperation to win some of his money back we are playing a hundred dollar game. big money back in the early 80' for a ditch digger. you are on the 8 ball with your opponents last ball partially blocking the pocket. its obvious the 8 will go. only question is will it go without hitting his ball or not.
a whole lot of pressure riding on your call. do you call it off his ball or do you call it clean. you call it clean and it hits his on the way in ...you lose. if you call it off his ball and it goes in clean ...you lose. how sure is your aim? how steady is your cue ? its a whole lot easier to just call the pocket and smack it in without worrying whether you hit his ball or not.
i hope you see the difference.
call shot leagues
I use to play in a call shot league in the mid 80's while in college, all it did was start fights. It was a pain in the butt. I remember everyone saying, that is how the pros play. Well at that time we hardly ever saw a pro play in ND
I use to play in a call shot league in the mid 80's while in college, all it did was start fights. It was a pain in the butt. I remember everyone saying, that is how the pros play. Well at that time we hardly ever saw a pro play in ND
I like the cut if your jib
in that case though you can counter his game, simply put the Cueball behind the 8, and drive it out if the kictchen near a pocket and try and leave him with a bad angle somewhere. It's an illegal shot and you simply lose your turn and he plays where it lies. Next shot you are legal and open
I like the cut if your jib
Funny....I just wrote the same solution to his post on another thread.
Great minds (yours....definitely NOT mine) think alike. :grin:
Maniac
I wasn't commenting about playing by the house rules, I was commenting on the guy's attitude in the bar who said, "Defense is a chicken**** game and only for losers."
I don't mind playing by the house rules at all. If I choose to play there then I agree to play by their rules.
What I can do without, though, and the main reason I quit playing in bars, is because of the confrontational attitude from guys who feel the need to say things like, ""Defense is a chicken**** game and only for losers." That I can do without.
I just read through that thread, spooky! Within 5 minutes of each other, but u beat me to it
Whatever. I wasn't trying to offend, merely giving an example of drunk redneck pool, as I call it.
Guy went on to keep running his mouth to anyone who would listen, too. "Man , why would he even get on this table if he's gonna play ****** pool. Can't believe it." It was as if it were his table or something. Guy is a loud obnoxious big mouth who almost never goes on a night other than Wednesday, which is open table night. He just happened to be there one time on a Friday night.
Didn't bother me at all that he quit. Me and a few others including the bar owner had some chuckles, and I got to play someone who at least understood defensive shots.