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CJ plays better than me. Sure.
But CJ thinking he understands the physics of the game better than myself or other posters in this thread is the real comedy.
it's POWERFUL!!! 'The Game is the Teacher'
Thank you, I actually thought this was obvious.
I only care about the results that my techniques achieve and if being "results oriented" seems unorthodox to some, then so be it. :groucho:
I learned the intricacies of this technique while working with Hank Haney (Tiger Woods Swing Coach for 5/6 years).....in the ideal stroke the follow through will "mirror" the backswing, and also give you a way to control the impact position in a superior way.
I'll give you some examples from the golf swing (the pool stroke is a miniature version).
1) To hit a high, shot from left to right (trajectory/curve) --- follow through high, and left to right
2) To hit a low shot, left to right (curve) --- follow through low, and left to right
3) To hit a high shot from right to left --- follow through high, then right to left.
For the golfer (like Tiger Woods) to achieve this type accuracy and precision they MUST think about the follow through position and play the shot to finish in that position. They obviously aren't hitting the ball or literally effecting the ball with their follow through....however, it's the technique that gets the necessary results to achieve unbelievable precision and accuracy.
I do the same thing playing pool....and it's POWERFUL!!! 'The Game is the Teacher'
Thank you, I actually thought this was obvious.
I only care about the results that my techniques achieve and if being "results oriented" seems unorthodox to some, then so be it. :groucho:
I learned the intricacies of this technique while working with Hank Haney (Tiger Woods Swing Coach for 5/6 years).....in the ideal stroke the follow through will "mirror" the backswing, and also give you a way to control the impact position in a superior way.
I'll give you some examples from the golf swing (the pool stroke is a miniature version).
1) To hit a high, shot from left to right (trajectory/curve) --- follow through high, and left to right
2) To hit a low shot, left to right (curve) --- follow through low, and left to right
3) To hit a high shot from right to left --- follow through high, then right to left.
For the golfer (like Tiger Woods) to achieve this type accuracy and precision they MUST think about the follow through position and play the shot to finish in that position. They obviously aren't hitting the ball or literally effecting the ball with their follow through....however, it's the technique that gets the necessary results to achieve unbelievable precision and accuracy.
I do the same thing playing pool....and it's POWERFUL!!! 'The Game is the Teacher'
You never know, I have read stranger things here.
Thanks, "Captain Obvious".....I'm pretty sure it "goes without saying" that we don't actually hit the cue ball with our follow through. :clapping:
The biggest thing in a good stroke when the trigger is pulled, is the arm / rest combo backward swing and forward swing are in exact same line, in another words, the cue go backward and forward at exact same line. One can do warm up strokes and shoot without pausing that usually make the stroke perfect, but tip contact point could slip here and there and cause squirt and swerve; and a little hard to pin point aim; therefore, a pause is preferred, but it becomes a challenge to have in line backward and forward swing. Many techniques are out there to help.
creating the follow through and the precision of the tip/cue ball contact
I make that statement because it's true.....but not like you're insinuating.
Since it's very difficult to control such precision at the point of contact I do it backwards (that's what's confusing you) and create the follow through FIRST.....then simply go towards creating the follow through and the precision of the tip/cue ball contact happens naturally. In this way I can control the "after contact spin" very, very consistently.
I make that statement because it's true.....but not like you're insinuating.
Since it's very difficult to control such precision at the point of contact I do it backwards (that's what's confusing you) and create the follow through FIRST.....then simply go towards creating the follow through and the precision of the tip/cue ball contact happens naturally. In this way I can control the "after contact spin" very, very consistently.
If you start at point A (the end of your last backstroke) and image yourself ending at point C (the end of your intended follow threw) then point B (cue tip, cue ball, contact point) will take care of it's self.
Funny thing is I think you mean the same thing as C.J. does, you just aren't open minded enough to come at it from the same perspective he is,
so you're missing what he is saying.
I also think that C.J. understands exactly what you are saying, but the best way to actually apply what is being said is from his perspective, not yours.
I have to agree with him.
You can read a book about buoyancy, but it won't help you swim !
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It's not that difficult to control precision when you go about it the right way. However, when you go about things backwards, I can see where you would think that. All you are doing again is applying band-aids to cover up problems you should be fixing, and then telling others to do the same things wrong.
No, it's better to fix your fundamentals first, not just apply a bunch of band-aids to try and cover up the errors you are doing.
This is so mind boggling to me. I would really like to know who it was that first came out with this idea that the follow through is not important. Everybody, and I mean everybody in this thread understands that the cue tip only contacts the cue ball for a minuscule amount of time. This is precisely why what CJ is saying is exactly right. You cannot control the exact moment of impact as easily as you can the beginning and ending position. This is why the follow through is so very vital.
For those that continue to push the idea of the insignificance of the follow through will you at least answer the question - why is the importance of the follow through stressed in ALL other sports by top instructors? What makes these sports so different?
Like I said earlier, in an attempt to make a cute little point about the contact time being so short you have essentially thrown out a fundamental principle that is taught in all other sports including snooker.
It's time to put this idea to bed which is exactly what I should be doing.
Have a good night everyone - even those that disagree with me. I enjoy exchanging ideas and thoughts with all of you.
For those that continue to push the idea of the insignificance of the follow through will you at least answer the question - why is the importance of the follow through stressed in ALL other sports by top instructors? What makes these sports so different?
Like I said earlier, in an attempt to make a cute little point about the contact time being so short you have essentially thrown out a fundamental principle that is taught in all other sports including snooker.
It's time to put this idea to bed which is exactly what I should be doing.
Have a good night everyone - even those that disagree with me. I enjoy exchanging ideas and thoughts with all of you.
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I believe I understand what CJ is saying. I also believe what he means isn't any different than what DTL or Neil is saying (for the most part). However, the way he is explaining it is technically (or literally incorrect) if you want to get picky about it. It isn't a matter of perspective at all, it is a matter of the English language.
I'm not sure why this same argument comes up about every six months or so with the same ole arguments. People talk about acceleration, follow through, etc.. What should be considered is deceleration. Follow through is the result of the plan for the stroke and what occurs before the stroke. From a physics point of view, if you accelerate up the the point of the cue tip contacting the CB, it is impossible for the human body to stop that stroke immediately. It's F=ma where in this case, the acceleration is negative when you're referring to "zero" or minimal follow through. You couldn't stop the cue tip perfectly no more than you could try to hit a brick wall with your fist, at full force, and stop your fist the absolute instant you make contact with the wall. If you think that's possible, please try it with your head instead of your hand.
When CJ says he is changing what happens with the CB with his follow through, I may be wrong, but I believe what he is doing is altering what he is doing with the cue prior to contacting the CB which results in a different follow through. Who knows, perhaps he has some Zen thing that allows him to alter the laws of physics.
You guys can now go back to your original program and argue for another hundred posts over semantics.
So you don't decelerate.
You can play the way C.J. describes. But, like he said he can't do, you will never achieve the accuracy doing things backwards. If you are focusing on the follow through, and the direction it needs to go, you will most likely end up steering the cue. Which means, you will not accurately hit the cb. One of the main problems with all amateurs, and a lot of the pros, including, by his own words, C.J.
If you want to learn to hit the cb accurately, forget about the follow through, just let it happen, and focus on the delivery of the cue to the exact spot you want to hit on the cb.
If you want to learn to hit the cb accurately, forget about the follow through, just let it happen, and focus on the delivery of the cue to the exact spot you want to hit on the cb.