I never hit center ball no matter the shot

MOJOE said:
I use primarily center ball only adjusting my tip on the vertical axis. I've learned that you can control the cueball and get position majority of the time without side spin. The Wagon Wheel has taught me this. Of course there are times when I must use side spin, but far less than 50% of the time for me. YMMV
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Kudos to Joe and people who can do it, i think hitting center gives better cue ball control in many situation , but whenever do so i feel awkward and miss many especially long shots. I shoot with outside(running) english for most shots but sometimes in certain situations spin just kills CB control. So i really want to master center ball cueing and use both spin and center ball, depend on the shot, but its hard and i havent given it enough practice i guess. Rarely use inside spin, one of the most difficult shot for me.
 
From the video of Jaden. Not to be picky but I think you only completed the shot once. Might have been the first shot. It's not just about making the object ball. Its about stopping the cue ball dead. Almost every shot the cue ball went left, right or drew back. Granted you shot it from a longer distance. Still want the cue ball to stop dead. Not when you play center english the cue ball should be sliding. So on long shots you may have to play even firmer. I am not expert. Still a great test of ones stroke. Once you can do this consistently. Try adding center side spin and see if you can stop the cue ball dead but spinning in place.
 
Did you read my post?

jburkm002 said:
From the video of Jaden. Not to be picky but I think you only completed the shot once. Might have been the first shot. It's not just about making the object ball. Its about stopping the cue ball dead. Almost every shot the cue ball went left, right or drew back. Granted you shot it from a longer distance. Still want the cue ball to stop dead. Not when you play center english the cue ball should be sliding. So on long shots you may have to play even firmer. I am not expert. Still a great test of ones stroke. Once you can do this consistently. Try adding center side spin and see if you can stop the cue ball dead but spinning in place.
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There are very rarely dead straight shots. I could've done two things. I could've taken the extra time like in the straight stroke video to ensure that the shots were all perfectly straight, or I could've aimed dead straight on all the shots and missed some of them since my table has super tight pockets.

The point was to show that you don't have to have unwanted SIDESPIN if you train yourself to stroke straight, it wasn't to stop dead on every shot.

I could have also used side spin to stop dead on the slightly un straight shots, but that would have defeated the purpose...

Jaden
 
Should have mentioned. You did better than I do. Still a work in progress for me.

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Jaden said:
There are very rarely dead straight shots. I could've done two things. I could've taken the extra time like in the straight stroke video to ensure that the shots were all perfectly straight, or I could've aimed dead straight on all the shots and missed some of them since my table has super tight pockets.

The point was to show that you don't have to have unwanted SIDESPIN if you train yourself to stroke straight, it wasn't to stop dead on every shot.

I could have also used side spin to stop dead on the slightly un straight shots, but that would have defeated the purpose...

Jaden
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Donuts or paper reinforcements do wonders for straight in shots.
 
I ought to try that little test and play long straight in shots with the cueball stopping dead.

What distance should separate the OB from the CB?
 
There is a difference between a stop shot and a stun shot. A stop shot is not a center ball hit. You are hitting on the vertical center line but below center of the horizonal line of the CB. A true center ball hit is in the center of those two lines, not above or below it.

A stun shot requires a true center ball hit. If you setup the drill I posted, with a small distance between CB and OB, you can use a stun shot to stop the CB.

Bet no one tried that drill. It's a hard drill. But it will pay off.

Stuns shots.....not stop shots are center ball hits.
 
duckie said:
There is a difference between a stop shot and a stun shot. A stop shot is not a center ball hit. You are hitting on the vertical center line but below center of the horizonal line of the CB. A true center ball hit is in the center of those two lines, not above or below it.

A stun shot requires a true center ball hit. If you setup the drill I posted, with a small distance between CB and OB, you can use a stun shot to stop the CB.

Bet no one tried that drill. It's a hard drill. But it will pay off.

Stuns shots.....not stop shots are center ball hits.
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This is total bs.
 
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duckie said:
There is a difference between a stop shot and a stun shot. A stop shot is not a center ball hit. You are hitting on the vertical center line but below center of the horizonal line of the CB. A true center ball hit is in the center of those two lines, not above or below it.

A stun shot requires a true center ball hit. If you setup the drill I posted, with a small distance between CB and OB, you can use a stun shot to stop the CB.

Bet no one tried that drill. It's a hard drill. But it will pay off.

Stuns shots.....not stop shots are center ball hits.
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I think your terminology is a bit off here. A stun shot usually means using the same technique as a stop shot; the only difference is that you are shooting at an angle instead of straight in, so the CB comes off the OB tangential to the OB path. I believe the shot you are thinking of is the replacement shot, where the CB will roll forward just a little after contact with the OB.
 
According to Jack Kollers " The Science of Pocket Billiards" a ball hit with pure center ball will slide for about 1/2 of a second before the table friction causes the cue ball to start to turn over. If you can hit pure center ball and have the cue ball arrive prior to 1/2 second, you can stop the cue ball dead. (assuming you are straight in)

At 8/10's of a second, the cue ball will have almost total roll.
 
CaptainDidactic said:
According to Jack Kollers " The Science of Pocket Billiards" a ball hit with pure center ball will slide for about 1/2 of a second before the table friction causes the cue ball to start to turn over. If you can hit pure center ball and have the cue ball arrive prior to 1/2 second, you can stop the cue ball dead. (assuming you are straight in)

At 8/10's of a second, the cue ball will have almost total roll.
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I get what you're saying, but again, this isn't actually correct. Different cloth, conditions, etc.....
 
Jaden said:
I have no idea whatsoever, what the hell this means???? :confused:

Jaden
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These bad boys

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Super cheap and super useful. You can set up a straight in shot (or any shot), and then put a donut under the CB and OB. That way you can practice the exact same shot over and over.
 
Yeah I'll pass...

BeiberLvr said:
These bad boys

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Super cheap and super useful. You can set up a straight in shot (or any shot), and then put a donut under the CB and OB. That way you can practice the exact same shot over and over.
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Yeah. I didn't understand what you were saying. I was like "Donuts"? Are you referring to my extra padding around the middle?? lol...

I illustrated the point to my own satisfaction...

It's not that important to me to replicate the exact same shot. It's not that useful IMO.

Rarely in reality do identical shots come up and rarely do straight in shots come up. It's much better IMO to be able to work with what comes up naturally than to replicate absolutely ideal situations...

Jaden
 
when doing these type drills I place the shots randomly

Jaden said:
Yeah. I didn't understand what you were saying. I was like "Donuts"? Are you referring to my extra padding around the middle?? lol...

I illustrated the point to my own satisfaction...

It's not that important to me to replicate the exact same shot. It's not that useful IMO.

Rarely in reality do identical shots come up and rarely do straight in shots come up. It's much better IMO to be able to work with what comes up naturally than to replicate absolutely ideal situations...

Jaden
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I agree....the only shots I "set up" are object balls on the rail and the cue ball on the rail every time in different ways, and forms.

Even when doing these type drills I place the shots randomly, although if I miss one I'll set it up and shoot again to make sure to learn from the miss......and make it before moving on to the next shot.
 
I can definitely see where that would be useful...

CJ Wiley said:
I agree....the only shots I "set up" are object balls on the rail and the cue ball on the rail every time in different ways, and forms.

Even when doing these type drills I place the shots randomly, although if I miss one I'll set it up and shoot again to make sure to learn from the miss......and make it before moving on to the next shot.
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I can see where that would be useful.

Rail shots are also the shots that are the most difficult to do with muscle memory in clutch situations as well. So developing good muscle memory with rail shots is important.

Jaden
 
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