The 5, last five, and breaks.
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A if you are shooting and there are 5 or less balls on the table you win
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The last five means you win making any of the last five balls remaining on the table. You do not have any additional money balls to make on the break or combinations, but you are guaranteed to have the last 5 left on the table, whatever number they are.
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The "last five" means that if you legally pocket any of the five last balls on the table then you win. Basically it means the 9 ball (assuming you are playing 9-ball) and the other 4 balls on the table with it no matter their number.
ONB
To be more clear, if a player (receiving the handicap of "last five") comes to the table
(or is already at the table say, during a run) and there are five or fewer balls on the table
(regardless of ball numbers), AND a player makes a legal shot, then that player wins.
This is a good way to handicap, but personally, I prefer nominating specific numbers
for handicaps.
For example, "give the 8" or give the 9."
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What you where offered is commonly referred to as the (Orange Crush) and depending on how you play it's allot of weight especially if you break good
Old Nine Baller
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The "orange crush" is the wild 5 & the break. Nothing more, nothing less. It does not include the "last five".
ONB
I don' know how you play or what you were going to play for, but that is quite a bit of weight. If you can play at all, it would take quite a player to beat you with that. I would have a hard time resisting even if I ended up losing.
The bad part of the situation is, he may just be making the offer to get you on the table. If you can play he won't stick with the game very long and be wanting to adjust almost immediately. In other words the odds are in his favor. He knows from the start he has no intention on losing much of anything. But on the other hand you may go completely off.
In fact he may be such a superior player he can continue offering more and more weight till he reaches a point of diminishing returns at which point he may quit you if you won't readjust back a little. He is not going to under any circumstance let you get in his pocket. That is why these guys are not worth playing usually.
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Hard to know...did he know your level? Was he offering anyone else the same? Assuming you didn't know him, or watched him play, it might have been the right decision.
Then again....if the money was acceptable, and since you are 'more than a ball banger'...it might have been a good proposition for you.
You'll never know.
Did he play anybody else? Did that confirm that your decision was a good one?
The good news: you didn't lose any money. The bad news....none except for learning something about your game or his...depending on the stakes...might be worth the information gathered/stress testing your skills/lesson cost/wager.....or not:wink:
Might be a 'woulda/coulda' opportunity or might be a 'dodged a bullet' deal.
Can't know.
If your gut said no...that's close enough.
The 5, last five, and breaks.
The game you got is , you win if you legaly pocket the 5 or 9 anytime during the game . As well as any of the last 5 balls on the table ,9 included.
The rules that can make this weight tough to fade is , 5 dont count on your break and stays down on his. No slop, call shot. Winner breaks.
If hes a real run out player and your not ,you probably wont win with the rules i mentioned.
The game you got is , you win if you legaly pocket the 5 or 9 anytime during the game . As well as any of the last 5 balls on the table ,9 included.
The rules that can make this weight tough to fade is , 5 dont count on your break and stays down on his. No slop, call shot. Winner breaks.
If hes a real run out player and your not ,you probably wont win with the rules i mentioned.
Yes, it is. But it is certainly not out of line for players of a wide degree of skill differences.
If you dont get to shoot you cant win. .
Well, he gets the break too, so he is guaranteed to shoot. The guy offering must have been pretty confident that op wouldn't leave with his money one way or another.
you win if you make the 5, or anyone of the last 5 on table.
Not to argue this quote or knock /offend the OP....but make a point about these kinds of games....
Where does it say he gets the break or is guarenteed to shoot. ? Maybe if he won the coin flip.
And shoot at what? If hes looking at safes and low percentage shots all day.
With somthing as little as a no slop rule in this game, this weight is near neglagble.
Lets say he does get all the breaks.
If he cant break , make a ball, and run to the 5 or play dead lock up safe rather consistently. ...against a real player ....cant win.
If that is not somthing he can do with anykind of consistency i would bet even money against him making any ball on the break and the first ball in rotation.
Or better yet ,break and run a few balls then miss and the better player is playin 7 or 6 or 5 ball from there.
Or as a strategy...
The better player may elect to call a push or take an intentional foul and tie up the 5 or lower balls so you cant get out. He might soft break and try to 3 foul him to death.
With no slop rules what is the weaker player gonna do? Out play him? Out move him? Out shoot him?
Its alot of weight on paper......to someone who cant read between the lines.
So be careful..........he came to you with that game, so......
I do enjoy this kind of discussion on here.