I agree. This board is way too Americentric, and fail to realize that U.S. Dominance in many things is a dream of the past now. People saying the foreign players should come to the U.S. And challenge Shane need to wake up and smell the coffee. The days of people needing to come to the U.S. To prove anything are done. I love my country, but I'm starting to hate the people and the attitudes that have let it become what it is now: a fading empire living in the glories of the past.
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I agree. This board is way too Americentric, and fail to realize that U.S. Dominance in many things is a dream of the past now. People saying the foreign players should come to the U.S. And challenge Shane need to wake up and smell the coffee. The days of people needing to come to the U.S. To prove anything are done. I love my country, but I'm starting to hate the people and the attitudes that have let it become what it is now: a fading empire living in the glories of the past.
The difference is, people like 7 don't talk about Americans not winning overseas, they harp on SVB not winning overseas. Work on your own wording and folks won't get upset over your stupidly chosen words. I suspect 7 knows this and simply likes to stir the pot up which is pretty much the definition of trolling. Hopefully sooner or later his derogatory posts will get axed by the moderators. (I'm fully expecting him to come on here and find a way to troll my comments and dissect them in an attempt to continue fanning the flames.) Hey 7, how many major overseas titles do you have btw? Several I'm sure, because you seem to be such an expert on why others like SVB are so bad at winning them while still others from other countries are so much better.
Americentric and believing in American excellence is what is actually missing in the country today.. We have a president that doesn't believe in those things along with a ton of other morons here in this country...
With that said Shane is the best player in the world right now... It was a race to 11 alternating break to LEVEL the field..Once again to LEVEL the field.. Albin Ouschan finished 2nd for crying out loud... If any of you window lickers want to tell me he is the 2nd best player in the world I am gonna horse laugh you for days.... Albin has been working hard and his game shows it but he is not the 2nd best player in the world.....
The only real way I ever seeing this not being an argument is if the Accu-Stats TPA is adopted by the major tournaments worldwide... Shane averages over .900 over the events we have filmed over the last 2 years... The only other player even close is Lee Vann.. and his sample size is wayyyyyy smaller than Shane's..... Niels has put up good TPA numbers but some matches he doesn't bring it.. BTW I am very happy for him and his win in Qatar...... Niels is a great person and an asset to the sport.....
Congratulations Niels!!!!!!
It's also because all Europeans have decided to lump themselves in one pseudo country "Europe" and create the American vs European mindset. Same goes for Asia. vs U.S.
Also mind you 99% of Americans don't give a hoot about pool so taunting 1% of Americans is kinda stupid anyway.
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You guys are wasting your time. This thread and the other WC 9 ball threads aren't about the truth. These are about hating on Shane and supporting Asian players. If it was about the truth then why aren't "they" drawing the same conclusions about Chang as they did about Shane? Chang got horse f*cked in the semis so bad that nine months from now little Albin ponies will be running free in Taiwan. This match immediately followed the Shane match where Chang lucked out so often that he'll have to service lucky for the next month to pay his debt.
Isn't this the standard being set by the haters? I bet it's in their craw that the finals is all European after all the hot air about Chinese world domination. Hell, they didn't even finish second.
The truth of the matter is that these hate posts are f*cking up this forum and making it a shitty place to come. So please give it a f-n rest. Chang is a great player and was probably the best player in the World Championship this week. But, it doesn't matter, because this format is set up to equalize the talent so the tourney is fun to watch due to it's unpredictability.
Shane is a great ambassador for pool and is definitely not a bully. He doesn't deserve to be talked about in this fashion. If you don't like his game or his fans that's fine. Please refrain from showing your a$$ by calling Shane anything other than a gentleman.
For the most part, yyou're right in your first part, Chris. But blindness to reality while still going "Murica is de best Eva!" in spite of the facts only makes it worse.
Well said!!
You guys are wasting your time. This thread and the other WC 9 ball threads aren't about the truth. These are about hating on Shane and supporting Asian players. If it was about the truth then why aren't "they" drawing the same conclusions about Chang as they did about Shane? Chang got horse f*cked in the semis so bad that nine months from now little Albin ponies will be running free in Taiwan. This match immediately followed the Shane match where Chang lucked out so often that he'll have to service lucky for the next month to pay his debt.
Isn't this the standard being set by the haters? I bet it's in their craw that the finals is all European after all the hot air about Chinese world domination. Hell, they didn't even finish second.
The truth of the matter is that these hate posts are f*cking up this forum and making it a shitty place to come. So please give it a f-n rest. Chang is a great player and was probably the best player in the World Championship this week. But, it doesn't matter, because this format is set up to equalize the talent so the tourney is fun to watch due to it's unpredictability.
Shane is a great ambassador for pool and is definitely not a bully. He doesn't deserve to be talked about in this fashion. If you don't like his game or his fans that's fine. Please refrain from showing your a$$ by calling Shane anything other than a gentleman.
Amen!!!!!!
(Sigh) …I'm gonna go hit some balls
…I'm gonna go hit some ballswell you were right but also an idiot, don't like the post don't come but you can't help it cause you and your friend needs this type of stuff cause you old ladies aren't giving you the time.
a) yes i'm not talking about americans winning over seas cause I'm talking about shane
b) you're an idiot cause you're prob one of those who went running with the "shane is the only one who travels"
c) read stupid word before calling them stupid words
d) americans find it silly how stuck up some of you americans talk or think of yourself.
just to clear the air on your and others idiot form of thinking.
a) the 3rd poster had to clear the air on how blinded you guys are and explain to you what's was meant, yet your band of brother continue to comment on me calling shane a bully. WOW
b) I happen to be a shane fan but just felt like voicing MY opinion, but as is customary here on AZ (and mentioned) some people thrive on bashing other opinion and thus starting the trolling (pot calling the kettle black)
c) Not one of "you guys" have made a sensible comment on your interpretation on what could of been meant, rather you continue to show how narrow minded you are and make the world of excuse you've alway made for shane.
I'll mention it again SHANE IS A GREAT player (since reading what you want is the norm here) but what i've has almost always seen is why he couldn't win. "oh that's not shane's game" "this is, that is" "let's see them play shane for the cheese". Exactly like someone mentioned before no one gives ANY credit to the ones who have won.
Yes he placed 5th twice GREAT, i'm sure that's what will get him into the hall of fame or what we'll be talking about when we gets older. America has fallen behind on many things (that a different thread) and since Shane is all you have to hold on too you band together and refuse to hear or see anything else.
In closing, I do hope that he wins a major international but deep down I don't see it cause the rest of the world is getting stronger at the same pace if not faster.
So Kudos to those who IMO has posted with some sense and the rest of the AZ cult I truly hope that you guys are better people in person cause you suck on the internet.
(Sigh)
Good idea. Tonight will be my 5th straight going out and playing
You yourself are grouping everyone else together as a comparison against SVB. How many of them have INDIVIDUALLY won as much money this year as him? How many have won as many tournaments as him? Not as a world vs. SVB, but individually? You're such a hypocrite! You claim we all think of SVB as the best because we're American and he is, yet you group everyone else winning foreign tournaments against him. You don't compare their complete resume against his, let alone individually. Your argument doesn't hold water. They won't look at his two fifth place finishes later and judge him based on that, they'll look at his body of work, comparatively to other individual player's bodies of work. These foreign tournaments have almost wholesale gone to the equalizer formats, mainly BECAUSE of players like SVB. So they get winners other than him, but how many are repeat winners, that continually win everywhere they go?
Yes, there are some great players out there. Lots of them that aren't American, and I love watching all of them play. I enjoyed Albin having a great week on a global stage as much as I enjoyed watching SVB and all of the other players that Qatar so graciously streamed for us all week. I watched Wang Can play, and every other match I could get in. Far be it from me to go online and start a thread bashing any of them just because they, or someone from their country that is a fan of theirs thinks so highly of them. In the end, that's all you did, was come on here and attack SVB because he didn't win an overseas tournament. You took away from the player who did by focusing on the player who didn't and his fan base. Shame on you. I think it's great there are players out there who can beat SVB at times, because it will lead to better pool to be watched for everyone as well as better pool globally. I'm a big SVB fan. I'm also a big Bata Reyes fan. I love America, but I love pool, whether the winners are American, or from the Phillipines or anywhere else. You deflect criticism of your hateful post back on the folks you upset, but you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote it.
Next time try celebrating the parity that ensues in the overseas format if that is your thing and the resulting good things pool hopes to draw from it. There are places for your world vs America attitude, such as the Mosconi cup. Again, you took away from Neils great week by turning it into a SVB failed thread here on the boards instead of what it should have been. You saw the opportunity to jump on SVB and you did. Nothing more, nothing less. There has been much debate as to why many pros don't come on here and you're one of the reasons why. Each and every pro there played their hearts out, but eventually there had to be only one winner. People like you slamming the rest, regardless of who they are, is why they go elsewhere like FB because they can avoid you there. That's sad. So revel in your witty trolling and then go to bed knowing you're a problem for the community here on the boards who could have been benefitting from the occasional appearance of some of the great players we have the honor of sharing a generation with. I'm done with you, and done with this thread. You win, I quit.....mainly because you're no longer worth it.
That's why american players fell behind the world, losing to much time to go around hustling, giving weights to play weaker players for money instead of seeking challenge and lesson from better players to improve his game. I've met many players that actually only think about money, not the game itself.
well that's a choice to make, a way to live, absolutely no right or wrong here.
again it's a choice, for me hustling is no different than cheating, stealing. And many many of guys feel happy doing that I can understand.
( cheat CHēt verb : 1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.)
But for me at the end of the day what left for the hustlers, telling your kids that you just hustle a guy for money or you are the champion ?
Earl said :" Nobody claps a hustler, they all clap the champion"
Ralf said :" Money comes and goes, title last forever "
Hustlers won't give a shit about what I'm saying, all they care about is money. But I don't thing everybody think like that, many things in life that are valuable than money.
by saying all this I have an impression that I live in another world lol, I hope I'm not.
You seem to equate anyone who plays for money as being a hustler and cheat. You are very wrong if that's what you think. Hustling is cheating. Hustling is "laying down" and trapping someone else. Most money games are actually pretty fair games. One of the two has to play their best to win. Big difference between betting on your skill and hustling.
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are you not holding me responsible for why pros don't come here or did you mean people like me and said something else. SVB on a world stage reps america in the eyes of others and not shane as an individual, not how he beat on fellow americans "in america".
you still hear what you want and see what you want. Other seem to grasp some of what is trying to be said but we must all be in the same clueless mind so that doesn't count, right?
are you not holding me responsible for why pros don't come here or did you mean people like me and said something else. SVB on a world stage reps america in the eyes of others and not shane as an individual, not how he beat on fellow americans "in america".
you still hear what you want and see what you want. Other seem to grasp some of what is trying to be said but we must all be in the same clueless mind so that doesn't count, right?
How funny.
He might not ever win a title outside the USA. It's possible. But not because he isn't good enough to win one but because, like Jimmy White, the rolls just don't go his way.
There is only one world championship to be won each year, one US Open, one China Open etc... and two hundred world beaters trying to win each one of them. Things have to fall into place for whomever wins a pro event, there are no gimmies.
Even Feijen at 12:10 against Ouschan dogged a shot horribly and got a roll that hooked Ouschan forcing a kick which Ouschan barely missed handing Feijen the win. Van Boeing played a great event until running into Chang Jun Lin where Shane's break didn't produce the results it was earlier.
What can you do about that? And in the end what does it matter? Shane is living his life and making a good one out of it. With over $100,000 in earnings this year WITHOUT GOVERNMENT SPONSORSHIP - and a couple good paying sponsors, he invests in real estate and is a well grounded ambassador for the sport as well as and inspiration for deaf people.
He has already proven himself in the long race format heads-up side of pool more than enough. Short race tournaments are always going to be a crap shoot when the number of world beaters in them increases. Look at Niels, how many times has he tried in his career and how many times fallen short? No one dominates pool anywhere on the earth in 2014 because pool has a huge amount of champion caliber players in it now.
If Shane never wins an event outside the USA then it doesn't matter at all. To me.
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Shane is a great player and has worked very hard. He has done things in pool that 99 % of us never will. If he quits today he will be one of the greatest players in our life time. For the haters, Go out and practice 10 to 12 hrs a day for a year and play in every tournament like he does. Then see if any of you can come close to beating any of the top players in the world. Keep us posted on how you come out and just how much money you have made.
Let's take a look at the combined results....
Let's take a look at the combined results of the last two international tournaments that took place outside of the USA.
Shane took fifth in both. Only two players combined wins were higher than his.
Carlo Biado, tied him in this one and finished one place higher in the China open and Chang Yu Lang won the China open and placed one place higher in the World's...
There were a LOT of people competing in these. Unfortunately Chang Yu Lang hasn't competed much if any, that I know of, in the US to compare, but using just this, we can say that Chang is probably the best (in this style of format) International player right now. He proved it by his high finishes.
We can't say who the best player in the world is because Shane has dominated a LOT of the tournaments over here that Chang hasn't played in. Carlo has though and Shane has consistently finished above Carlo in the majority of the tournaments they've played in together so his marginally better finishes in the last two foreign soil international tournaments aren't really that telling.
We can say and see that Shane is a threat in EVERY tournament he plays in, here OR overseas, so this Shane is no good overseas shit is just ridiculous.
Just because you don't win outright every tournament you play in is not telling of your skill compared to the other players that played in those tourneys, especially when you're a threat to win every tourney you play in.
Also, as has been mentioned, there aren't many (possibly any) players lining up to match up with Shane, so that is very telling as to how players feel they stand against his ability.
I'm done for now in this thread. I'm sure I'll be back when someone else posts something that's just plain silly though.
Also, I love the ad hominem attacks by the haters. "Everyone is stupid", "No one reads"....
get over yourself. If everyone appears to be stupid to you, maybe you should take a look in the mirror...
Jaden
Let's take a look at the combined results of the last two international tournaments that took place outside of the USA.
Shane took fifth in both. Only two players combined wins were higher than his.
Carlo Biado, tied him in this one and finished one place higher in the China open and Chang Yu Lang won the China open and placed one place higher in the World's...
There were a LOT of people competing in these. Unfortunately Chang Yu Lang hasn't competed much if any, that I know of, in the US to compare, but using just this, we can say that Chang is probably the best (in this style of format) International player right now. He proved it by his high finishes.
We can't say who the best player in the world is because Shane has dominated a LOT of the tournaments over here that Chang hasn't played in. Carlo has though and Shane has consistently finished above Carlo in the majority of the tournaments they've played in together so his marginally better finishes in the last two foreign soil international tournaments aren't really that telling.
We can say and see that Shane is a threat in EVERY tournament he plays in, here OR overseas, so this Shane is no good overseas shit is just ridiculous.
Just because you don't win outright every tournament you play in is not telling of your skill compared to the other players that played in those tourneys, especially when you're a threat to win every tourney you play in.
Also, as has been mentioned, there aren't many (possibly any) players lining up to match up with Shane, so that is very telling as to how players feel they stand against his ability.
I'm done for now in this thread. I'm sure I'll be back when someone else posts something that's just plain silly though.
Also, I love the ad hominem attacks by the haters. "Everyone is stupid", "No one reads"....
get over yourself. If everyone appears to be stupid to you, maybe you should take a look in the mirror...
Jaden
When you take the top 128 players in the world anyone can win in a short race, especially alternate break.
I'd wager a little that many winners of overseas tournaments that Shane plays in would be unwilling to play him even 10 ball race to 50 for the pursue they won. None of these guys are playing for trophies, even tourney players are all about the cash.
I don't think any Asian players are afraid to gamble with Shane. I just think they don't care for super long races. There are better and more efficient ways to determine the better player.
Instead of playing one long race to 100. Why not play a few races (3-5) to 11 everyday for 30 days. The pressure is always on in the shorter races, ie you'll rarely have a player build such a lead they start freewheeling while their opponent goes into "give up" mode. Plus, the variance evens out over a long period of time, and you can clearly see who the better player is.
Instead of playing one long race to 100. Why not play a few races (3-5) to 11 everyday for 30 days. The pressure is always on in the shorter races, ie you'll rarely have a player build such a lead they start freewheeling while their opponent goes into "give up" mode. Plus, the variance evens out over a long period of time, and you can clearly see who the better player is.