This is about Shane

Kris_b1104 said:
Shane doesn't need to win donkeysquat to solidify his spot with the elites, he's already a legend. It's an amazing accomplishment to win the World 9 Ball but does it mean you're the best player on Earth?
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based on the game format, and the variety of nationalities that participated, and the fact that the big names in pool were there, YES. :thumbup:
also, please dont discredit the effort of players like Ouschan or Niels. i have watched the event since day 1 and all these two did was give their best and fight with heart. (you should watch the biado-fiejen & ouschan-gabica matches and see how well they performed).
every pool player on earth is given one chance per year. if you think you're the best in the world, there is your opportunity - PREPARE FOR IT.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Shane doesn't need to win donkeysquat to solidify his spot with the elites, he's already a legend. It's an amazing accomplishment to win the World 9 Ball but does it mean you're the best player on Earth? It means you were the best player for that week, or however long that tournament is. Do you honestly believe if they had another World 9 Ball championship the day AFTER Niels won, that he won come in 1st place again? No. Just because it's sanctioned by WPA doesn't mean anything. Albin Ouschan is a great player but what has he ever won before coming second last week? But now all of a sudden he's better than Shane, Carlo, Lee Van, Orcullo, etc. just because he came 2nd in a WPA event? But if we had the same exact players in a tournament in the US and it wasn't sanctioned by WPA and Shane won, everyone would call bullshit. Rant over.
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Albin is an elite player, and his second place finish in a field of killers is like a coming out party for him.
 
arps said:
based on the game format, and the variety of nationalities that participated, and the fact that the big names in pool were there, YES. :thumbup:
also, please dont discredit the effort of players like Ouschan or Niels. i have watched the event since day 1 and all these two did was give their best and fight with heart. (you should watch the biado-fiejen & ouschan-gabica matches and see how well they performed).
every pool player on earth is given one chance per year. if you think you're the best in the world, there is your opportunity - PREPARE FOR IT.
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I watched all the matches as well, and I stated in my previous post that Albin is a great player. I mean no disrespect to him nor am I trying to discredit him, just using him as an example. Also Niels is one of my favorite players. But I can't fathom the idea that despite Shane having multiple 1st place finishes in 2014, a player can come second in ONE tournament and be considered a greater player? To me being great means consistency, Shane and a few others consistently finish 1st or in the top 10 in most tournaments. I can also bet that Albin will not place second or first in another major tournament for the rest of 2014, but I can bet that Shane will, THAT to me is consistency and greatness.
 
leto1776 said:
Albin is an elite player, and his second place finish in a field of killers is like a coming out party for him.
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Maybe.. Maybe not...... The luck of the draw is at play in the WPA tournaments.. No round robin... Flip a coin.... Congrats to Albin but he is not an elite... Huidji See won a world championship but no one with a clue has him even in the top 20 of the players list expecting to win a world class event.... Albin shows up a few more times and that may change but I have a huge list that I would bet on over him.
 
I can will a million tournaments but if I don't win a tournament sanctioned by WPA it means I'm not elite internationally? Thorsten was the reigning champ last year and look how he finished this year, so that must mean he's not elite anymore right? Until there's a universal Pro Tour for every player to be ranked accordingly for an entire year, these debates will ensue forever.
 
If you REALLY don't get why a race to 100 is a better test than a race to 11...

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Soc_participants.shtml

They don't have 11 but they have 10 in the analysis..... Racing to 100 you have a 10% chance that better player won't win... AT 10 it's just under 1 in 3......
Statistics and samples size are actually scientific vs the science used here of pulling things out of your ass when you wish to argue.....
 
Kris_b1104 said:
I watched all the matches as well, and I stated in my previous post that Albin is a great player. I mean no disrespect to him nor am I trying to discredit him, just using him as an example. Also Niels is one of my favorite players. But I can't fathom the idea that despite Shane having multiple 1st place finishes in 2014, a player can come second in ONE tournament and be considered a greater player? To me being great means consistency, Shane and a few others consistently finish 1st or in the top 10 in most tournaments. I can also bet that Albin will not place second or first in another major tournament for the rest of 2014, but I can bet that Shane will, THAT to me is consistency and greatness.
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for the record, no one ever said that shane is not a great player. in fact, the past couple of weeks have been great for him - finished in the quarterfinals of two major international events outside the US. it is also a fact though that there are other players who bested him on both the same events. is shane the best in the world then? NO. can he be the best in the world? YES, potentially.
 
arps said:
for the record, no one ever said that shane is not a great player. in fact, the past couple of weeks have been great for him - finished in the quarterfinals of two major international events outside the US. it is also a fact though that there are other players who bested him on both the same events. is shane the best in the world then? NO. can he be the best in the world? YES, potentially.
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I like this response. I don't think any player is capable of being THE BEST in the world and stay the best in the world for more than a week or so, there's just not enough tournaments to rank them and way too many killers to compete against to stay on top. Makes me realize how truly hard the game of pool is.
 
I still say playing multiple races to 11-15 over a 30 day period will easily show who the better player is.

The better player may lose a few sets, but after 30 days, they will be up.
 
7forlife said:
shane "as great as he is" is an american bully and for the most part in my book and for the most part just capable of beating up on the american boys.
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Just like that American boy in America: Nick the Greek.

Freddie <~~~ I understand now
 
lost said:
I don't get the race to 100 thing. Usain Bolt is the fastest man on earth, but tons of people can beat him in the 1000.
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You really don't get it.

Bolt is the best 100m sprinter ever. He always wins if he's physically at his top. It's not like it's a crap shoot.

Let's clean up your analogy. A better one is if Usain Bolt is the clearly the elite of the elite, how would be stack up against the other elite 100m sprinters in a race to 50m? 25m,15m? How bout if we have sprint circuits or shuttle run where everyone has to stop and start again.

You can see that his advantage diminishes as the race gets shorter or we keep putting stops. His advantage is "when he gets going" in the 50-80m stretch, he's really the fastest that's ever been (clearly). Anything shorter than that or anything the stops him from getting into that 50-80m full high speed zone lessens his clear advantage of the "best 100m sprinter."

There. The tournament with short alternating breaks diminishes the advantages of the elite players who show their top gear in longer winner break formats. Good on the guys who have won the WPA WC tourneys. But tought for the truly best players who can't get to their top gear. Dennis and Shane, and eve Ko was handcuffed

If it's going to be a World Championship, it needs to be a brutal race to get rid of flyers.

Freddie <~~~ congratulations to Niels and Albin
 
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This is right up there with the crowd that used to love insisting that they were 100% sure, due to their superior intellect and everything, that Phil Mickelson would never win a major and certainly not the Masters.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Shane doesn't need to win donkeysquat to solidify his spot with the elites, he's already a legend. It's an amazing accomplishment to win the World 9 Ball but does it mean you're the best player on Earth? It means you were the best player for that week, or however long that tournament is. Do you honestly believe if they had another World 9 Ball championship the day AFTER Niels won, that he won come in 1st place again? No. Just because it's sanctioned by WPA doesn't mean anything. Albin Ouschan is a great player but what has he ever won before coming second last week? But now all of a sudden he's better than Shane, Carlo, Lee Van, Orcullo, etc. just because he came 2nd in a WPA event? But if we had the same exact players in a tournament in the US and it wasn't sanctioned by WPA and Shane won, everyone would call bullshit. Rant over.
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You don't have the same players or the same format here



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TheLoneSilencer said:
Shane is elite in the US for sure & is a top player outside the world. I am just saying to claim he is the best is bs when he has not proven to be when it matters. Championships matter as not everything is about who wins the most gambling.

Albin is not a bad player but anyone claiming those things about him are clueless & not worth responding to.
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So, to recap your logic....SVB must win a championship to prove himself, but in Albin's case, that doesn't prove true? Interesting line of reasoning you have there. This thread just keeps getting more and more ludicrous. I think the true level of a player's greatness is measured by what others think of them. I'd say there's quite a few folks that think rather highly of SVB and he's still very young. The only naysayers are mostly haters who would hate anyone on top if they were from America because they have a perception that everyone from America has an attitude. That's a different topic though, and having witnessed the late night antics of the young European pro crowd, I could easily compare them to that same stereotype many hold Americans to. Back to the subject, your posts are hypocritical to say the least.
 
logical said:
This is right up there with the crowd that used to love insisting that they were 100% sure, due to their superior intellect and everything, that Phil Mickelson would never win a major and certainly not the Masters.
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Yep however everyone agreed that with out them he could not be considered among the greats


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Cornerman said:
There. The tournament with short alternating breaks diminishes the advantages of the elite players who show their top gear in longer winner break formats. Good on the guys who have won the WPA WC tourneys. But tought for the truly best players who can't get to their top gear. Dennis and Shane, and eve Ko was handcuffed

If it's going to be a World Championship, it needs to be a brutal race to get rid of flyers.

Freddie <~~~ congratulations to Niels and Albin
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Not having the ability to come out of the gate strong seems more like a weakness than a good excuse. Others have already mentioned it, but one of Shane's biggest flaws is how he handles being down. It's very easy to see in his body language anytime he's losing.

People have always said him having a hearing deficiency and the option of turning off his hearing aid is an advantage. I disagree. Sometimes having the only thing you can "hear" be the voice inside your own head can be a very bad thing.
 
This thread brings to mind Proverbs 26:4 ... When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are
 
Nullus said:
So, to recap your logic....SVB must win a championship to prove himself, but in Albin's case, that doesn't prove true? Interesting line of reasoning you have there. This thread just keeps getting more and more ludicrous. I think the true level of a player's greatness is measured by what others think of them. I'd say there's quite a few folks that think rather highly of SVB and he's still very young. The only naysayers are mostly haters who would hate anyone on top if they were from America because they have a perception that everyone from America has an attitude. That's a different topic though, and having witnessed the late night antics of the young European pro crowd, I could easily compare them to that same stereotype many hold Americans to. Back to the subject, your posts are hypocritical to say the least.
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You misunderstood as I stated to the poster that people claiming Albin is better over some of the top players he named because of a 2nd place finish are clueless as it could not be further from the truth.
 
Shane Van Boening is now world #2 in WPA rankings. This should be be good news to all, especially to SVB fans out there.
:clapping: :happydance: :clapping: :happydance: :clapping: :happydance: :clapping: :happydance: :clapping:
 
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