CJ Is The Teacher Big Time

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naji

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At times i think CJ does not know what he is talking about at times i think he is the teacher, until yesterday, easy key shot to break the stack and run 8 and out, but missed it, the OB two railed and broke the stack to his pocket, he ran out and 8 and out, luckily not money match..

Took the shot again at practice, i made it 16 out of 20 very fast speed, bad result because it is easy shot. When i applied CJ's TOI , made it 19 out of 20, should have been 20 out of 20.

True someone can accomplish the same result by changing few things in stroke or aim, but will be deliberate and in the heat of a match will forget to apply; i find TOI is not too much forgettable, i will use on my next matches and money games and see. Some tricks to it, one has to understand it fully.

TOI is an eye opener, especially to CB rebound of rail, without TOI, a novice player would apply unintentional left hand english all the time, where as good TOI will apply zero english. I am a believer now.


Thanks CJ you are the teacher, sorry if i doubted you before.

No CJ is not paying me to write the above.
 
naji said:
At times i think CJ does not know what he is talking about at times i think he is the teacher, until yesterday, easy key shot to break the stack and run 8 and out, but missed it, the OB two railed and broke the stack to his pocket, he ran out and 8 and out, luckily not money match..

Took the shot again at practice, i made it 16 out of 20 very fast speed, bad result because it is easy shot. When i applied CJ's TOI , made it 19 out of 20, should have been 20 out of 20.

True someone can accomplish the same result by changing few things in stroke or aim, but will be deliberate and in the heat of a match will forget to apply; i find TOI is not too much forgettable, i will use on my next matches and money games and see. Some tricks to it, one has to understand it fully.

TOI is an eye opener, especially to CB rebound of rail, without TOI, a novice player would apply unintentional left hand english all the time, where as good TOI will apply zero english. I am a believer now.


Thanks CJ you are the teacher, sorry if i doubted you before.

No CJ is not paying me to write the above.
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You mean your stroke tend to go to the lefthand side (outside) so you use TOI to compensate ?
Well it's a way to go, if it works for you then keep going.
Another way to go is rework your stroke to have a straight one, so when you want to hit it center it gonna be center, when you want to use a touch of inside english you gonna have a touch of inside english :wink:.
 
HelloBaby- said:
You mean your stroke tend to go to the lefthand side (outside) so you use TOI to compensate ?
Well it's a way to go, if it works for you then keep going.
Another way to go is rework your stroke to have a straight one, so when you want to hit it center it gonna be center, when you want to use a touch of inside english you gonna have a touch of inside english :wink:.
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I know that's a popular retort to the TOI aspect, and when I start doubting I think of that as well, but I have to remember the TOI system is also about the three part pocket rule. When lining up to hit one side, with TOI, in pressure situation, even if the stroke isn't pure the pocket opens up because if you hit center, it hits side pocket and drops, if TOI takes and throws object ball, you hit center pocket and it drops.

So your odds of pocketing are increased in pressure situations.

Also combine the effect of the TOI on the cue ball and it comes off the rail straight because no cut induced spin is taken.

It's quite eye opening, just have to let become subconscious.
 
HelloBaby- said:
You mean your stroke tend to go to the lefthand side (outside) so you use TOI to compensate ?
Well it's a way to go, if it works for you then keep going.
Another way to go is rework your stroke to have a straight one, so when you want to hit it center it gonna be center, when you want to use a touch of inside english you gonna have a touch of inside english :wink:.
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Exactly, but people on here don't like to "work" on their game, they just like "band-aids" that make them feel better about not properly practicing.:wink:
 
Neil said:
Exactly, but people on here don't like to "work" on their game, they just like "band-aids" that make them feel better about not properly practicing.:wink:
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I've never understood how users of such systems pay all this money for DVDs and other instructional material, when all they really need is a good book or DVD on fundamentals. That alone will progress peoples games more than any of the useless crap people like to advocate on here.
 
Nothing against TOI
You may have to hit that same shot with a number of different strokes, speed,spin,anywhere on the clock of the cue ball.

My definition of a player:
One who can hit the cue ball with any stroke, speed, english, required for the the situation in front of them.
You have to know how to do those 3 things as well as you know your name.

The name of the game is the cue ball, the other 15 balls are something to mess around with while you play pool with the cue ball.

There are so many variations of each stroke it's mind boggling. You must have it ready whenever it's called upon.You only achieve that through repetition, there are no short cuts.You can't put a bandaid on an axe wound.

Love The Cue Ball...Admire it,hug it, nice and shiney and white...Take it to bed, in the shower, to a ball game, dinner, school, aunt Nene's house for thanksgiving,shopping, post a picture of it on facebook and tell everyone this is your best friend.
 
Can't agree with you more. Just one thing : base on player's preference one tends to use one kind of stroke ALOT more than the others, but mastering all of them is definitely a must.

SmoothStroke said:
Nothing against TOI
You may have to hit that same shot with a number of different strokes, speed,spin,anywhere on the clock of the cue ball.

My definition of a player:
One who can hit the cue ball with any stroke, speed, english, required for the the situation in front of them.
You have to know how to do those 3 things as well as you know your name.

The name of the game is the cue ball, the other 15 balls are something to mess around with while you play pool with the cue ball.

There are so many variations of each stroke it's mind boggling. You must have it ready whenever it's called upon.You only achieve that through repetition, there are no short cuts.You can't put a bandaid on an axe wound.

Love The Cue Ball...Admire it,hug it, nice and shiney and white...Take it to bed, in the shower, to a ball game, dinner, school, aunt Nene's house for thanksgiving,shopping, post a picture of it on facebook and tell everyone this is your best friend.
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Pidge said:
I've never understood how users of such systems pay all this money for DVDs and other instructional material, when all they really need is a good book or DVD on fundamentals. That alone will progress peoples games more than any of the useless crap people like to advocate on here.
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I completely agree. When you can notice that your aim is barely off because your body weight is slightly more to one side or the other, or you notice you are stroking barely off center on the cue ball because you got in your stance wrong, or you are missing balls because your grip is to tight to let the tip deflect off the cue ball while applying spin, then you are playing good and paying close attention to your fundamentals.

Now if I can slow down and stop being lazy when it comes planning racks and run outs that solve problems, I might play even better!
 
SmoothStroke said:
Love The Cue Ball...Admire it,hug it, nice and shiney and white...Take it to bed, in the shower, to a ball game, dinner, school, aunt Nene's house for thanksgiving,shopping, post a picture of it on facebook and tell everyone this is your best friend.
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hmm I wonder if there is something to this. I am going to carry my cue ball around with me for awhile and see if I develop a bond with it!
 
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naji said:
TOI is an eye opener, especially to CB rebound of rail, without TOI, a novice player would apply unintentional left hand english all the time, where as good TOI will apply zero english.
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I understand this to mean the cue ball can pick up left english with CIT, not left english was applied with a bad stroke or poor fundamentals.

I watched that non playing Rodney Morris this weekend with a new stroke. He used a short backswing and flashes of TOI. That takes his game down a few notches. He used to be a long strokin' ball spinner. What happened? :D

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

We're somewhere between the first and second stages. sFi_flamethrowing.gif

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
I watched that non playing Rodney Morris this weekend with a new stroke. He used a short backswing and flashes of TOI. That takes his game down a few notches. He used to be a long strokin' ball spinner. What happened? :D

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

We're somewhere between the first and second stages. View attachment 343937

Best,
Mike
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I think he took his game "down a few notches" until he was able to WIN the tourney. I hate when that happens.

Aloha.

:)
 
You are always better off to hit with a little left or right.

Trying to hit center is too much work, it's like trying to throw a spear into the ass of a bee at 1000 yds. and not hitting any walls

Hit them HEAVY
 
HelloBaby- said:
You mean your stroke tend to go to the lefthand side (outside) so you use TOI to compensate ?
Well it's a way to go, if it works for you then keep going.
Another way to go is rework your stroke to have a straight one, so when you want to hit it center it gonna be center, when you want to use a touch of inside english you gonna have a touch of inside english :wink:.
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Thanks Bud, and all that responded. TOI is good system, especially for long strokes, i agree one can work on getting his or her stroke straight, but it involves dynamic changes in the stroke of which during pressure situation a step could be forgotten; TOI is a static step, set it and forget it kinda, for medium to high speed shots. True if you need to put say outside, then it is different story . but easy to adjust and get used to.

I by no means saying it is the only way to shoot, sure if you have straight stroke, or able to stroke 100% without TOI, that is great.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
I know that's a popular retort to the TOI aspect, and when I start doubting I think of that as well, but I have to remember the TOI system is also about the three part pocket rule. When lining up to hit one side, with TOI, in pressure situation, even if the stroke isn't pure the pocket opens up because if you hit center, it hits side pocket and drops, if TOI takes and throws object ball, you hit center pocket and it drops.

So your odds of pocketing are increased in pressure situations.

Also combine the effect of the TOI on the cue ball and it comes off the rail straight because no cut induced spin is taken.

It's quite eye opening, just have to let become subconscious.
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When you say "if TOI takes and throws object ball, you hit center pocket and it drops."

I used to think that too, but that's not "it." TOI has nothing to do with throw of any kind, only cue stick deflection. In fact, its almost the opposite of a throw based system. I say this because with TOI you aim for the inner part of the pocket, not the outer.

So if you line up a shot to the inner pocket using TOI and throw takes effect, you'd hit the rail beside the inner pocket. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
 
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