Fusco's The Spot (smoking allowed - nasty)
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Hi Tronpocket,
There's plenty of space out front, with overhang. Where did you see a rule about a minimum distance?
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=557790&mode=2
Permitted distance from doorways to smoke
The CIAA does not provide a required minimum distance. If possible, a distance of 20 feet is recommended.
Permitted distance from doorways to smoke
The CIAA does not provide a required minimum distance. If possible, a distance of 20 feet is recommended.
How are you dealing with customers who walk out on their bill now? Unrelated.
How are you dealing with customers who chat outside the place now? Also unrelated.
Nothing you listed is a a road block to making Fusco's The Spot a smoke free pool room.
How would Fusco's The Spot deal with the possibility that Philadelphia might pull their smoking law exemptions?
Would Pete close the place down? Nah, I don't remember Pete being a quitter. I'm guessing he'd adapt.
When NYC banned smoking, the smoking town criers were up in arms, and many left. For a short while.
They all returned. Heck, some even stopped smoking. And the new non smoking customers packed the place.
I doubt Pete has any idea how much money he is losing by smoking out the non smokers.
I would think the folks he trusts to run his place has his best interests in mind.
Hi Tronpocket,
There's plenty of space out front, with overhang. Where did you see a rule about a minimum distance?
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=557790&mode=2
Permitted distance from doorways to smoke
The CIAA does not provide a required minimum distance. If possible, a distance of 20 feet is recommended.
How are you dealing with customers who walk out on their bill now? Unrelated.
How are you dealing with customers who chat outside the place now? Also unrelated.
Nothing you listed is a a road block to making Fusco's The Spot a smoke free pool room.
How would Fusco's The Spot deal with the possibility that Philadelphia might pull their smoking law exemptions?
Would Pete close the place down? Nah, I don't remember Pete being a quitter. I'm guessing he'd adapt.
When NYC banned smoking, the smoking town criers were up in arms, and many left. For a short while.
They all returned. Heck, some even stopped smoking. And the new non smoking customers packed the place.
I doubt Pete has any idea how much money he is losing by smoking out the non smokers.
I would think the folks he trusts to run his place has his best interests in mind.
i have not read this entire thread but i am sure what i am about to say has been repeated many times on here.
whether its a smoking or non smoking establishment....if you dont like the smoke dont go....if you dont like non smoking dont go. its that simple....that is what i do.
at this time as far as i know ...all bars and pooh halls allow smoking here in memphis
over the last 2 years 2 bars went to non smoking on their own and within 6 months they were closed.
one i went to one night because a girl invited me...when i found out it was non smoking i never went back.
the other place started an in house apa league. it closed within 6 months and that apa division folded.
i play in an apa travel league that goes to several places in north mississippi where they just enacted a no smoking policy in all bars and pool halls. i talked to the room owner the 1st night i showed up and found out a no smoking policy was in effect. he said his bussiness was falling due to the smoking ban.
i told him to add me to the list of people who were not coming back.i told my team mates i would still play when we were in memphis but when we traveled to mississippi i was not showing up.
bottom line is you do not have to frequent a place that allows smoking and i do not have to frequent a place that bans smoking.
no need for a long drawn out drama filled thread when the solution is that simple.:grin-square:
Different scenarios, PA is a smoke free state, except for some "private club" exceptions. So not surprised banning smoking in a Memphis pool room would be fiscally suicidal. There are some good points in this thread, worth sifting through the dramatic banter, if health and well being are important.
A person should be able to do what they want with their business. Period. Their place is privately owned ....they invested a lot into it. Their place, their rules.
I was going to meet my nephew there next week but the smoke bit changes the plans. I quit in 1989 and avoid smoke. I still can't breath right.
Pete's place is one of the last ones standing. I hope he's doing well there. I know a few rooms in New Jersey that closed due to smoking laws.
I miss Bustleton Ave(Feasterville)
I was going to meet my nephew there next week but the smoke bit changes the plans. I quit in 1989 and avoid smoke. I still can't breath right.
Pete's place is one of the last ones standing. I hope he's doing well there. I know a few rooms in New Jersey that closed due to smoking laws.
I miss Bustleton Ave(Feasterville)
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Hi Tronpocket,
There's plenty of space out front, with overhang. Where did you see a rule about a minimum distance?
A: ok, i understood the recommended distance as required.
If i wrote the law there would be a minimum distance.
How are you dealing with customers who walk out on their bill now? Unrelated.
A; We very very rarely have had person (s) walk out intentionally.
I personally have not once in 2 years lost a table time.
For one we know everyone that comes in by the memberships. People think twice knowing we know who they are.
That also is why we have only had to call police 5x in 9years.
Another precaution we use is taking deposits with i.d. when people bring alcohol and or use a certain part of the facility .
Security cameras everywhere and in the parking lot.
And a mindfull staff. Solves that concern.
How are you dealing with customers who chat outside the place now? Also unrelated.
A; A few people chatting, ok.
People just loitering, being loud , not ok.
We will tell them to come in or leave......nicely ofcourse.
Nothing you listed is a a road block to making Fusco's The Spot a smoke free pool room.
A: No , but its a logistical concern at this point. Its often easier to do then to undo.
How would Fusco's The Spot deal with the possibility that Philadelphia might pull their smoking law exemptions?
A: We are not in Philly, we're in bucks county.
If it was unlawful to smoke in a private anywhere, then we would comply.
Would Pete close the place down? Nah, I don't remember Pete being a quitter. I'm guessing he'd adapt.
A: IdK, But He has said he would close down before he let Russian Kenny back in....and hes serious! (Sorry kenny)
Btw.....you do not know pete. If you did this thread wouldnt exist..you wouldve just called him.
I doubt Pete has any idea how much money he is losing by smoking out the non smokers.
A; But im sure you already know poolmouse , right?
We're doin just fine with our little piece of a very small pie.
ne of the few rooms in the country that makes it nut on pool time and vending machines...smoking.....and no bar.
I would think the folks he trusts to run his place has his best interests in mind.
A: Im all in with my commitment to my job, and even tho its not in the job description.....handle anything related to petes place....like this thread.
Ive put 2years in this place ,got to use some of my trade skills and with the help of some great people. the difference from now and then is an amazing transformation of a good poolroom to a great poolroom. And were not done yet.
If there was a "houseman of the year" award im sure i would be in the running.
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Dont forget to read the subsections when you go to those law websites.
Good luck. Theres alot more under section 3 (b) on the website.
Section 3 (b) of the CIAA identifies certain establishments which are exceptions to the general rule that "an individual may not engage in smoking in a public place."* However, the Clean Indoor Air Act makes it clear that nothing in the Act is intended to preclude the owner of a public or private property from prohibiting smoking on the property.* Owners are encouraged to prohibit smoking in indoor or enclosed areas on their property even where they are not required to do so.
Sounds like a typical nonsmoking liberal worried about what everybody else is doing. This is still America, if you can do it better do it. Why have you chosen instead to bash a man who has?Hi Tronpocket,
There's plenty of space out front, with overhang. Where did you see a rule about a minimum distance?
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=557790&mode=2
Permitted distance from doorways to smoke
The CIAA does not provide a required minimum distance. If possible, a distance of 20 feet is recommended.
How are you dealing with customers who walk out on their bill now? Unrelated.
How are you dealing with customers who chat outside the place now? Also unrelated.
Nothing you listed is a a road block to making Fusco's The Spot a smoke free pool room.
How would Fusco's The Spot deal with the possibility that Philadelphia might pull their smoking law exemptions?
Would Pete close the place down? Nah, I don't remember Pete being a quitter. I'm guessing he'd adapt.
When NYC banned smoking, the smoking town criers were up in arms, and many left. For a short while.
They all returned. Heck, some even stopped smoking. And the new non smoking customers packed the place.
I doubt Pete has any idea how much money he is losing by smoking out the non smokers.
I would think the folks he trusts to run his place has his best interests in mind.
I think we're all in agreement, Pete can do what he wants, he's not breaking any laws. With that said, discussing the second hand cigarette smoke health issue is always on the table.
After a few visits, my breathing was effected too. That's why I chose to stop going. And that's why this thread exists. I like the place and the people, but the smoking policy literally stinks.
Nobody is bashing the man, or the room. If you haven't read through the thread, the whole point is their "private club" smoking exemption.
Nobody is bashing the man, or the room. If you haven't read through the thread, the whole point is their "private club" smoking exemption.
The point of this thread has changed 3x in 14 pages.
Make up your mind already......
Understood, change can be painful and costly, but it shouldn't take long to reap the benefits of becoming a smoke free poolroom.
Sorry, I meant Pennsylvania...the links I provided are for the state.
You are right, I never met Pete, but this isn't about Pete; its about second hand cigarette smoke.
I'm very sure you would win, the place has great staff. I'm guessing you smoke?
I didn't add that section, I thought it would be going overboard. But yea, spirit of the law vs letter of the law; Fusco's The Spot is expected to discourage smoking.
I do appreciate your candor. You've been very professional and tactful.
Its always been about second hand cigarette smoke.
But does not include second hand farts,sneezing,coughing,spitting,stinking ass perfumes and shedding skin and hair. P.S. the corner vomit job!
bill
I really did not want to post this, but this thread is worn out. While I am a non smoker, I respect the right of the owner, who has his capitol at risk, to decide what is best for the financial success of his business. If he feels the risk/reward is best for smoking, that is his business, no one else's. The owner is not in business as a public service. The smoking concern was expressed and addressed with respect. as someone said, this should have been closed on the first page. You are not owed a further answer from a private company.
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Sorry to HiJack. Second hand farts......no such thing. They are the real deal directly from the manufacturer.
I was in a 3 table community room and elderly guy was busting loose all night. I'm damaged.
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