Who is the best 1 pocket teacher?

He was probably scared after hearing how you learned one pocket in 3 weeks and shoot straight in shots with a TOI:boring2:.

RA quit even? While he was using a backer? Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiight:).

ONB

Yeah, "Otis" was backing him, and again, I "learned" one pocket over a solid year of playing TR, Lizard, Richie R., and Wade - it does take me 3 weeks to tune up if I haven't been playing the game though.....unlike most "one pocket players" I didn't grow up playing, and really didn't take it that seriously until I was in my 30s.

Coincidentally I just got off the phone with my friend Otis, who is one of the all time great "stake horses" and gentlemen from Dallas Texas. Otis went with me to Sweden one year to the World Championships, Larry Liscotti was also there and we had a heck of a time. I rented a car and couldn't read any street signs, talk about a "drive of faith". :D

That's amazing! A few hours after I post about RA's backer you happened to be on the phone with him. Simply amazing.

By the way, in another amazing coincidence, I just got off the phone with Efren and he said the reason he declined to play on the 5x10 is because when he was 8 yrs. old he quit playing tiddlywinks.

ONB
 
Hey buddy, long time no see. I've lost a ton of games leaving a ball 1/2" from my pocket.


Onepocketghost, Chicago. He's been around a long time.

Not sure about lessons from the other great players mentioned


I will strongly second jtompilot's recommendation of the One pocket ghost.

I have known Bruce aka One pocket ghost for about 35 yrs. now, and he knows the game of one pocket more thoroughly than anyone I've ever been around, and I've been around the poolrooms and many, many top players over the past 40 yrs. He's also a very intelligent guy and an excellent teacher who knows how to communicate clearly. He's taught a lot of players one pocket, and along with Bill Incardona he's the person who Chris Gentile learned his one pocket from. He has posted up a written overview of his one pocket philosophy over at onepocket.org. It gives a good idea of his vision of one pocket. Here's a copy of it >



To start with I would like to say that I feel gratified to be part of the pool-playing brotherhood (past, present and future), who feel as passionately as I do, as to the absolute magnificence of the game of One Pocket. I think that One Pocket is one of the very greatest games/sports in the world, and all pool players who come to understand, appreciate, and seriously play One Pocket are blessed - and it’s a shame that outside of our small One Pocket subculture, no one in the outside world even knows that there is a game called One Pocket, and how significant of a challenging/complex/fascinating sporting endeavor it is.

Starting out in the late 1960's, I first watched and studied many of the great One Pocket players of that time: Ronnie Allen, Jersey Red, Bugs, Boston Shorty, Harold Worst, etc...then, just after that, when I was 19-25 yrs.old, living and growing up in (the pool halls of) Chicago, I was fortunate to have the opportunity to watch, up close and personal, Artie Bodendorfer (one of the best One Pocket players of all time, and a master of defensive One Pocket play) and top-speed One Pocket player Leonard 'Bugs' Rucker play many, many times - and this was at the time when Artie was playing his very best....and Chicago was also a bank pool mecca back in the 60's-70's, enabling me to play with, and learn from, great bank pool players like Bugs, Youngblood, Tough Tony, Freddie the Beard, etc. etc....then, in the ensuing 40-45 years since that time, I’ve both watched and played One Pocket against: Grady, Jack Cooney, Cliff Joiner (many times), Bugs (many times), Steve Cook, Alan Hopkins, Cornbread Red, Miami, Buddy Hall, Nick Varner, Efren, Jose Parica, Alex Pagulayan, Rodolfo Luat, Santos, Shannon D. Jeremy Jones, Rafael Martinez, Billy Palmer, and many more top players both past and present.

So, with the knowledge gained from 45 years of intently studying the game of One Pocket and it's top players, along with having countless gambling sessions/tournament matches against shortstop to top speed players myself (and having won my share of them), combined with my own strategy analysis, shot formulating, and overall visualizing of the game, I feel very strongly that I have ascertained the optimum methodology for playing the game of One Pocket at it's highest level....and I have, and currently do, teach/give One Pocket lessons according to my concept of the game, including having taught two of the top 20 One Pocket players in the world today....also, for the record, my One Pocket teaching, knowledge and visualizing of the game were highly spoken of by acclaimed Billiards Digest editor/columnist George Fels in one of his Billiards Digest 'tips and shafts' columns several years ago.

Ok, I need to say that I’ve been exteremely annoyed for years by all of this clueless, idiotic debating about which is right, or better, the supposed Chicago/Philly/East coast, strong defense/low risk/trapping/squeeze style of One Pocket - or the so-called modern/left coast/aggressive/ball running style of One Pocket...Well, the two reasons this foolish debate, and incorrect positing annoys me are these...#1. This constantly parroted claim of there being a rigid geographic distinction re. the two styles of play, is untrue...and #2. Because this ongoing debate speaks as if these are the only two philosophies/styles of One Pocket play to subscribe to...when in fact, playing just one of either of these two styles, is not playing optimum One Pocket – why in the world would anyone want to limit themselves to just one of those styles, rather than employing the full spectrum of productive One Pocket play...meaning ----->

When playing/thinking at the very highest level of one pocket, the only correct way to play One Pocket is within a matrix whereby you are at all times during the game, ready and able to draw upon either of the two aforementioned styles: Relentless, aggressive, fear-inducing offense, or, lockdown, trapping, table-controlling, suffocating, precision-defense...deciding which of these style's to employ will be correctly analyzed and determined in every different inning/shot of yours when at the table...and whenever possible, like a master alchemist, you should forge both styles together on the same shot - thus creating - One Pocket gold.


Also, take note that to play top speed one pocket, you need to: #1. Have a very high level of creativity/imagination/vision to be applied to all phases of the game...#2. You must be an excellent banker, proficient at all one rail and multi-rail banks - along with having a locked-in muscle memory for hitting banks at precisely 'pocket-speed'...#3. You need to have extensive knowledge of kick shots, combination shots, carom shots, carom angles, deflection angles, and multi-rail billiard angles...and #4. You must have the strategic capabilities and mind set of a military General or a Chess Grandmaster, and #5. You must be a Wizard of Odds.

Your shot choice should always be predicated on the correct analysis of several factors - the primary ones being: Table layout, ball score, match score, pocket size, table conditions - and also the One Pocket playing style, knowledge, skill set, heart, and ego tendencies of your opponent....and of course, all shot choices must factor in your own skill set/ability.

So, all of that said, every time that you step to the table (unless you have an obvious ball to make, you have a significant ball-count lead in the game, or you're in a trap) you should be determinedly, unrelentingly, looking to aggressively attack...but if you can’t find a viable offensive shot of any type, then you don’t force the issue – that’s where the smart part comes in…..Instead, you play a suffocating safety/put your opponent in a trap - this most often meaning: leaving your opponent frozen against a ball or balls so that he has nothing but negative or low percentage shot options available to him...and if that’s not possible, then you at least will re-position the ball layout in some way that helps your cause - i.e. move balls as close as possible to your pocket, or move balls from near his pocket or on his side of the table over to your pocket's side of the table, or tie up balls on his side, or open up balls and banking/shooting lanes on your side of the table - and/or leave him facing balls from a snookered position, jacked up, or with an awkward angle...and while doing any of this, if possible always endeavor to leave the cueball frozen on the rail - don‘t under-value this - it severely limits your opponents options and execution when he can only address the top of the cueball...

Ok, more moving, but on a smaller scale - often referred to as "simple shots"...but when given proper consideration, and then executed precisely - they're really not simple shots at all ----->

One Pocket is very often not about having the opportunity to pocket a ball, run balls, bank a ball in, or shoot appealing, gratifying power shots...you must also give total-focus attention to the countless 'small shots' of One Pocket - and have the limitless patience, desire and work ethic required to do this...meaning that, there will be many many games, where you have nothing else available to you for 5, 10, or 15 straight innings other then to bunt balls, or to glance the cueball off of balls to have it only travel a few inches -but to a very specific place...and when you are in those types of situations -> you should patiently and intently shoot these 'seemingly' simple little shots as perfectly as you possibly can every time, striving to gain a strategic edge on your opponent in these intense miniature battles...

And let me also stress this...before playing any important safety, it's crucial to analyze precisely, the very best place to leave the cueball in order to leave your opponent in the toughest possible return shot position...that said..before you shoot, whenever this can't be accurately determined from your shooting position..walking over to where you are thinking of leaving the cueball, and correctly envisioning your opponent's responding options is something that you should always do.

Now I’m an NFL fan, and as such, I’ve always drawn some parallels in my mind between One Pocket and pro football/One Pocket players and pro football quarterbacks.....so obviously football teams have to score (with a variety of plays, like One Pocket's variety of shots) and also they have to defend against the other teams offensive attack.....and just like in One Pocket, football teams also play the score..i.e. - 'playing safe' (running the ball/short conservative passes) when being a fair amount ahead, and conversely going for lower % but high yield plays when a fair amount behind in the score...and quarterbacks have to read the field like we read the table and then make a decision to act…a quarterbacks ‘opponent’ is the cornerbacks, safeties, and linebackers - so, as a good One Pocket players should analyze his opponents skill set, mind set, and tendencies, a quarterback needs to know the tendencies/abilities of the different defensive backs and the defensive schemes being used against him…..and maturity is key - i.e. a young quarterback who throws 25-30 picks in a season, from forcing passes into double coverage, or not correctly reading the defense, is just like the overly aggressive young One Pocket player, who much too often goes for risky, low percentage shots, misses them too often and sells out…..To keep my football analogy going, if you want to play One Pocket at the highest level and as it should be played - just play it the way Joe Montana played quarterback back in the day - or like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers play nowadays - very, very smart.

Back to shot choices…Your first desired shot choice of course, is to make a ball in your pocket.…but if you have the opportunity to pocket a ball, and the shot is not a ‘hanger’ - then whether you should choose to shoot this shot in a given situation will depend partially on all of the factors that I mentioned a few paragraphs earlier - but it will primarily be based on two factors: the ‘makeability’ percentage of the shot combined with the risk/reward equation - of which there are countless variations…obviously there’s no time here to go into this at great length, covering all of the countless percentages and risk/reward probabilities..but to cover this a little, here are a few interesting risk/reward comparisons interconnected with the makeability factor - and we'll use mathematical/strategic One Pocket-thought-processing in considering the following three situations...
 
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The words exceeded the amount that are allowed in one post. So the Ghost's one pocket overview continues here >



Let's say that hypothetically, you are one of two (evenly matched) players, playing in a One Pocket tournament....you are playing even - both going to 8balls, tied up 2-2 in games and playing in the all important final game of your tournament race to three. In this first situation the ball score is 0-0 and you have a shot that you are 85% likely to make in your pocket – and after making it, there are two more available balls for you to run (easy to run) - but only two - and, you will leave three sure balls for your opponent to pocket if you miss - but no more than three…...In the second scenario, the ball score is once again 0-0, and you have a shot that you are 50% likely to make in your pocket, but you will be able to easily run four more balls if you make it, and leave just one ball for your opponent to for sure pocket if you miss…In each of these two situations I would say going for the shot is a good risk/reward choice...and also, I think the two very different ball-count situations are fairly equal choices when compared to each other, viability-wise.......For our third and final situation, the ball score is 3-3....the shot that you are considering shooting has an 80% makeability rating for you, but there are no other balls for you to make afterwards - you can only get one - and you will leave your opponent a sure two balls if you miss...should you shoot the shot in this situation?....it's a tougher choice to make this time - maybe about a 50-50 choice.

Anyway, this is an overview of some of my concepts of playing One Pocket correctly. To go further, we would need many, many hours of discussion, and we would also obviously, need to be on a table, to, among other things, analyze dozens of very specific game situations, re. early, middle, and endgame strategies. Anyone who would like to contact me re. this manifesto, or to inquire about lessons - please e-mail me at: ghosttown@email.com.

- One Pocket Ghost
 
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I'm watching a match right now, and something happened that made me remember this post.

It's the 2004 SF of the DCC 1Pocket with Efren and Marquez. In game 3, Efren breaks. DD suggests that Marquez kick 4 rails, and that's exactly what he does.

I've got a huge oak tree in my yard. For the last couple of weeks it has been dropping hundreds of acorns. How many depends on several things but there are thousands of acorns in my yard. For the last 6 days a blind squirrel has been out there desperately searching for something to eat. So many acorns are falling that they are sometimes falling on his head (and sometimes mine). They fall all day and all night, I can hear them hitting any vehicles parked under the oak tree.

Yesterday, after 6 days of searching, the blind squirrel finally found an acorn. He picked it up, reared up on his hind-quarters, and ate the darned thing. Today he was searching for another acorn while bumping into the picnic table, wheelbarrow, garage, and other squirrels.

I'm happy that DD finally called that shot in advance and the player shot it. Did it win him the game?

ONB
 
You are correct. I would take Danny D. as a coach and be able to play even with anyone.

Danny is the one that "smarts" seek out to get the "inside techniques" to one-pocket. I could name some that would surprise everyone, however, out of respect I will keep that information confidential.

This confusion about Danny is another example of "common knowledge" being flawed, Danny D. is secretly the best one-pocket instructor in the country. The ones that go to Danny don't want their names revealed, and use his knowledge to win...and win big!!!

What happened to the braggart who wrote this post? You want to suck up to DD but you don't want to shoot what he tells you to shoot?

Figures.

ONB
 
The greatest pool minds that I know agree that Danny is the one

Anyone with any sense knows the proposition of "HAVING" to shoot a shot someone else tells you to shoot.....this is a trap, pure and simple and it's "grade school level". "Coaches" {in any sport} don't tell the players exactly what shot to shoot, it would be counterproductive to say the least. Coaches are meant to enhance the players, not try to micromanage them into a state of mediocrity.

The greatest pool minds that I know agree that Danny is the one they would choose to coach them....Danny and I have seldom spoken and I have no loyalty to him over and beyond a mutual respect.

The fact is he's one of the best, and I'm simply passing this truth on to those that might want to consult with him to improve their game. 'The GAME is the teacher' .com





What happened to the braggart who wrote this post? You want to suck up to DD but you don't want to shoot what he tells you to shoot?

Figures.

ONB
 
The best teacher is one who knows defense and lets your offensive game get integrated based on your offensive abilities. There is too much power one pocket being played today and new players to the game get awestruck watching big time pros like Scott Frost just overwhelm the table. Start off understanding that defense is probably an eight or nine to one shot differential over an offensive shot(s). So it stands to reason that you must have a great defensive game to be highly competitive playing one pocket. At some point you have to have a great offensive game to beat top players in the game. I'm not talking about the champions but just great room players. Lastly you have to have a banking game to really excel playing top speed one pocket. One pocket requires managing many balls at the same time and playing pocket speed to keep your opponent off balance. And lastly you have to develop patience in your game. Some one pocket games can and do take hours to play and you have to have the mental fortitude to withstand that part of the game and be prepared to bunt bunt bunt and then to make a terrific shot after pushing balls around the table. That's a very hard thing to master. Not many players succeed and then get on AZB and complain about slow play in one pocket.
 
The best teacher is one who knows defense and lets your offensive game get integrated based on your offensive abilities. There is too much power one pocket being played today and new players to the game get awestruck watching big time pros like Scott Frost just overwhelm the table. Start off understanding that defense is probably an eight or nine to one shot differential over an offensive shot(s). So it stands to reason that you must have a great defensive game to be highly competitive playing one pocket. At some point you have to have a great offensive game to beat top players in the game. I'm not talking about the champions but just great room players. Lastly you have to have a banking game to really excel playing top speed one pocket. One pocket requires managing many balls at the same time and playing pocket speed to keep your opponent off balance. And lastly you have to develop patience in your game. Some one pocket games can and do take hours to play and you have to have the mental fortitude to withstand that part of the game and be prepared to bunt bunt bunt and then to make a terrific shot after pushing balls around the table. That's a very hard thing to master. Not many players succeed and then get on AZB and complain about slow play in one pocket.

That is masterful. Where do I have to go to play you?
 
I thought I read somewhere that this game was already set up and Baby Huey was just waiting for you to show up. Maybe I read it at the one pocket site.

I don't know who he is but I must be in over my head. Of course that wouldn't be the first time or last
 
You know what's funny Jim? You've got an excellent one pocket teacher right in your back yard...and he's got two 9' Diamond tables in his poolroom. Unless all you're looking for is to gamble (and he may or may not gamble with you), you could learn a few things by going and spending some time with Lance Cowles in Battle Creek. He posts here as Bossman69. He is an excellent player, and good teacher, with very reasonable rates. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I don't know who he is but I must be in over my head. Of course that wouldn't be the first time or last
 
You know what's funny Jim? You've got an excellent one pocket teacher right in your back yard...and he's got two 9' Diamond tables in his poolroom. Unless all you're looking for is to gamble (and he may or may not gamble with you), you could learn a few things by going and spending some time with Lance Cowles in Battle Creek. He posts here as Bossman69. He is an excellent player, and good teacher, with very reasonable rates. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

must be a pretty good stick to give "jim the pilot" lessons......:wink:
 
I don't know who he is but I must be in over my head. Of course that wouldn't be the first time or last

henderson and almanza are salivating a little bit too much....i'd duck "baby huey".....:cool:

unless if he plays friendly for $5/rack....:)

(rumor has it, that's big action on the left coast.........)
 
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henderson and almanza are salivating a little bit too much....i'd duck "baby huey".....:cool:

unless if he plays friendly for $5/rack....:)

(rumor has it, that's big action on the left coast.........)

He's a pilot (and not just an ordinary, everyday kind of pilot) for crying out loud. Money is no object!

JoeyA
 
You know what's funny Jim? You've got an excellent one pocket teacher right in your back yard...and he's got two 9' Diamond tables in his poolroom. Unless all you're looking for is to gamble (and he may or may not gamble with you), you could learn a few things by going and spending some time with Lance Cowles in Battle Creek. He posts here as Bossman69. He is an excellent player, and good teacher, with very reasonable rates. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I need/want to get better, but I wasn't the one looking for lessons. I was giving my advice based on 1P performance and knowledge and have the ability to convey that knowledge to you in a meaningful way. Both Bruce(ghost) and Tom Wirth are top notch in 1P. I'm sure there are many more, I just haven't meet them.

I think I'll give a shout out to Lance in the near future and see if he can help me. With DCC around the corner I need a jump start. I'm tired of letting great players beat me:)
 
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