Shane Has Won World Titles

[JB Cases]

The US Open is a major world title. Now if you want an event with the word "World" in it then no he has not won any other than the World Cup of Pool.

World Champion is of course a title every player wants. Funny thing is that I never hear people dogging Bustamante because he didn't have any until last year either.

Maybe Greg Sullivan should rename the Derby City Classic to the World All Around and retroactively call all the winners world champions and then Shane will get respect from the haters.

 

[JB Cases]

You are implicitly assuming that each rack is an independent trial, I would disagree. Pool is one of the few sports where momentum has been statistically demonstrated. Being able to keep a guy in their seat along with the ability to stay at the table and "catch" a gear will have an impact. Therefore, winner break tends to amplify any advantage (over a match) and effectively reduce variance. Having said this, your other two reasons are clearly important factors as well.

Could you link to the study where pool was used to demonstrate momentum? I happen to be reading a book on statistics right now and I would like to read the study's methods and conclusions.

 

[JB Cases]

Regarding statistical evidence of momentum in Pool,

Adams, R.M. "Momentum in the Performance of Professional Tournament Pocket Billiards Players." International Journal of Sport Psychology 26 (1995): 580-87

Here is the abstract...
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Studied evidence of positive momentum in the performance of 45 professional pocket billiards players in a 9-ball tournament. Three relationships were examined: (1) The likelihood of winning a match after having won the opportunity to take the opening break shot, (2) the likelihood of winning a match as a function of winning the opening game(s) of the match, and (3) the effect of making all 9 balls in 1 turn at the table without giving the opponent an opportunity to shoot. The existence of a momentum-like phenomenon was supported. Players had a significantly greater likelihood of winning a best-of-21 match after having won the 1st game or the 1st 2 games in the match, and they had a significantly increased probability of winning a game by running all balls after having won the previous game by running all balls. The differences between these findings and previous results obtained for basketball players (T. Gilovich et al, 1985; R. M. Adams, 1992) are discussed. (French, Spanish, German & Italian abstracts) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
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And while momentum can benefit either the better or worse player, the reason it tends to help the better player more often is because the better player has a higher unconditional probability of winning.

So while momentum could help either the better or worse player catch a gear, since the better player is more likely to win any particular game, it helps him more often.

Should have read further. Thanks.

 

[sjm]

Maybe Greg Sullivan should rename the Derby City Classic to the World All Around and retroactively call all the winners world champions and then Shane will get respect from the haters.

Yeah, and you could do the same with the Music City Open.

Even going forward, Greg would have to get it WPA sanctioned for it to count as a world championship in the record books. That's expensive.

 

[corvette1340]

posting anything about statistics or mathematical variance, etc... is a moot point for the most part on here.

The collective IQ of these idiots isn't enough to comprehend the FACT that short races and alternate breaks level the playing field and doesn't lend itself to finding the best player. It baffles me that people don't understand this. My 7 year old daughter can even understand it.

 

[one stroke]

The US Open is a major world title. Now if you want an event with the word "World" in it then no he has not won any other than the World Cup of Pool.

World Champion is of course a title every player wants. Funny thing is that I never hear people dogging Bustamante because he didn't have any until last year either.

Maybe Greg Sullivan should rename the Derby City Classic to the World All Around and retroactively call all the winners world champions and then Shane will get respect from the haters.

In the past that may be true because all the worlds best 9 ballets were here but given the uprising of the Asian players that's simply not true now ,, many were not in attendece and many of those are considered favorites and why would they come when getting paid is a problem '' so no the US Open is not a world class event end of story

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[BJTyler]

The US Open is a major world title. Now if you want an event with the word "World" in it then no he has not won any other than the World Cup of Pool.

World Champion is of course a title every player wants. Funny thing is that I never hear people dogging Bustamante because he didn't have any until last year either.

Maybe Greg Sullivan should rename the Derby City Classic to the World All Around and retroactively call all the winners world champions and then Shane will get respect from the haters.

Didn't Busty win a nine ball world title in 2010?

 

[the Professor]

Didn't Shane with the Predator World 10 Ball tournament?

 

[BJTyler]

Could you link to the study where pool was used to demonstrate momentum? I happen to be reading a book on statistics right now and I would like to read the study's methods and conclusions.

May I ask which book you're reading? And how are you enjoying it?

 

[BRussell]

This year SVB came in 5th in both the China Open and the World 9-ball Championship. He hasn't won a big one yet, but I'm sure he will, he just needs to play in more of them.

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

Good point, sir. The matter of this year's World 8-ball tourney became a matter of some personal embarrassment, but there was a happy ending for me.

The World 8-ball event was on the WPA calendar for the third week of August. When I noticed it, I called the World 14.1 tournament sponsor Michael Fedak to advise him that his event and the World 8-ball championship were booked for the same week and that it would surely mean that many of the world's best players would miss the World 14.1 event.

Michael called World 14.1 event producer Dragon Promotions and the result was that the World 14.1 event was rescheduled for the first week of August.

When the World 8-ball Championships were cancelled, I felt a bit silly, having made so much work for all of them.

The irony here was that the World 14.1 had been originally been scheduled over the same weekend as Darren Appleton's wedding. It's rescheduling permitted him to participate, and he won the event and $13,000 and. far more importantly, I owned him in the Calcutta!

Happy ending, indeed! As well, proof that some good deeds DO go unpunished.

 

[strokin'myshaft]

Shane already has the skills to win one but his fans need to be patient. There's no need to make up one just to make Shane look good.

This year SVB came in 5th in both the China Open and the World 9-ball Championship. He hasn't won a big one yet, but I'm sure he will, he just needs to play in more of them.

 

[sjm]

Shane already has the skills to win one but his fans need to be patient. There's no need to make up one just to make Shane look good.

Just how I feel. Jay Helfert and I have both noted that Shane is starting to break through and play well in WPA events.

Patience is right, for Shane is 31 and his WPA titles are, I suspect, just around the corner.

 

[brandonspitler]

Shane does well in the US, but struggles in Europe and China.

Nikos the Greek might disagree. As they did play in Greece.

 

[spartan]

Nikos the Greek might disagree. As they did play in Greece.

Yes and Nikos WCOP partner , Alex Kazakis beat Shane in 2 money games.

 

[arps]

This year SVB came in 5th in both the China Open and the World 9-ball Championship. He hasn't won a big one yet, but I'm sure he will, he just needs to play in more of them.

i repeat, it's 5th-8th for the china open and w9b. and here's a question (that i've also been repeating), doe anyone know if shane will be joining the Japan Open this November? almost all the best in asia will be there, as well as the top euro players.

 

[chevybob20]

posting anything about statistics or mathematical variance, etc... is a moot point for the most part on here.

The collective IQ of these idiots isn't enough to comprehend the FACT that short races and alternate breaks level the playing field and doesn't lend itself to finding the best player. It baffles me that people don't understand this. My 7 year old daughter can even understand it.

Remember we are talking about pool players here. The same ones that hustle like champs for a week at DCC then go outside and bet on 3 Card Monte or just as bad, go into the casino to let it ride on the craps table.

 

[jpparmentier]

posting anything about statistics or mathematical variance, etc... is a moot point for the most part on here.

The collective IQ of these idiots isn't enough to comprehend the FACT that short races and alternate breaks level the playing field and doesn't lend itself to finding the best player. It baffles me that people don't understand this. My 7 year old daughter can even understand it.

Could you get your facts straight before being so aggressive?

Shane played in 3 10-Ball WPA World Championships (2008, 2009, 2011) were the races were 9, then 11 and 13 in the final, so comparable to the US Open this year.

He placed 9th (2008), 65th (2009), and 17th (2011).

Can your 7-year old get that?

Now I can't be bothered to search for the rest but there are no such thing as race to 7, alternate break all the way for a world title. There simply has never been.

The fact that Shane hasn't won a World title is clearly a matter of time. He says himself that he needs to travel in a better, organized, way and not get hit by jetlag and such things. This year, I believe he did that and was very close with two quarter-finals.



So yes, he has never won an official, sanctioned, WPA title where all the world is represented unlike Johnny or Earl who won a bunch of these while still playing good in the US in their prime.

He has won the Dragon Promotion 10-Ball event that the WPA didn't sanction, which was played on Olhausen tables with pockets bigger than you can imagine. But then again, a lot of big names were at that event (Orcollo, Bustamante, to name a few) and Shane came out on top.



The ideal scenario for me, would be that a WPA World Title would be played in the US again. I'm sure this would give Shane the boost he needs to go all the way :smile:

 

[spartan]

i repeat, it's 5th-8th for the china open and w9b. and here's a question (that i've also been repeating), doe anyone know if shane will be joining the Japan Open this November? almost all the best in asia will be there, as well as the top euro players.

Shane will highly likely play. He will likely play World Pool Masters 14-16Nov in UK then hop to Japan for All Japan and then back to US for MC
Will be similar itinerary for Niels
And both will be fighting to see who finishes end of year as #1 rank and All Japan is the decider with Shane still behind by about 700+ points
And with Niels- Shane recent racking controversy we may see grudge match ups from World Pool Masters to All Japan to MC
I love grudge match ups LOLOL

Could you get your facts straight before being so aggressive?

Shane played in 3 10-Ball WPA World Championships (2008, 2009, 2011) were the races were 9, then 11 and 13 in the final, so comparable to the US Open this year.

He placed 9th (2008), 65th (2009), and 17th (2011).

Can your 7-year old get that?

Now I can't be bothered to search for the rest but there are no such thing as race to 7, alternate break all the way for a world title. There simply has never been.

The fact that Shane hasn't won a World title is clearly a matter of time. He says himself that he needs to travel in a better, organized, way and not get hit by jetlag and such things. This year, I believe he did that and was very close with two quarter-finals.



So yes, he has never won an official, sanctioned, WPA title where all the world is represented unlike Johnny or Earl who won a bunch of these while still playing good in the US in their prime.

He has won the Dragon Promotion 10-Ball event that the WPA didn't sanction, which was played on Olhausen tables with pockets bigger than you can imagine. But then again, a lot of big names were at that event (Orcollo, Bustamante, to name a few) and Shane came out on top.



The ideal scenario for me, would be that a WPA World Title would be played in the US again. I'm sure this would give Shane the boost he needs to go all the way :smile:

+1 Good post. Telling facts as it is

 

[Keith Jawahir]

Nikos the Greek might disagree. As they did play in Greece.

You mean the tournament that Nick won and the gambling match that Shane won?