The Sad State of Pool in My Area. (Long and Rambly)

Cashman

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A little background. Without being to specific, I live in one of the fastest growing cities in Canada. In the last 5 years housing prices have doubled on the high end, tripled on the low end. We have arguably the strongest economy in the country, more jobs then workers, and companies have taken to importing labor to combat the shortage. Sounds not bad, only problem is, everyone is broke. Our wages haven't kept up with cost of living, and disposable income is always in short supply.

But onto pool. 15 years ago there were 13-14 pool halls in a city of 200,000ish. 5 years ago there was 2. Now there are none. A year ago or so, the last room closed. There is still one place with 8' tables, but it caters to university kids and company Christmas parties. This is not uncommon in many cities, but today it hit me how much I missed having the pool hall around.

2.5 hrs to the nearest nine foot or snooker table just isn't realistic. And I began to wonder if I could fill the vacuum myself. I have some experience running(mostly failing) businesses, and always kind of had a dream of my own joint. So I started doing some research in earnest. Tables, restaurant equipment, wholesalers it all seemed pretty doable. I have a chunk saved, and no fear of failure.

I then started investigating buildings, and the whole idea did a dead stop. A 6,000 sq ft building with no parking and in a rougher part of town is priced at $25 sq ft. A more desirable location is closer to $40. Maybe a smarter person then me would be able to make the numbers hypothetically work, but I can't. Which made me think, the only way it will happen is if someone has deep enough pockets to purchase a building ought right and then invest in an industry that has slowly been failing in the area. Not likely I would think.

But, the interesting thing to me, is how only one year without a pool room has changed things. The large in house league is of course gone. The VNEA leagues are down, No tournaments of course. And the biggest thing is the loss of friendship and acquaintances. The scene has fragmented, a few guys here and there playing in garages and basements or on a coin-op in a bar.

I kind off fear, that in a very short time, it will all be gone. The regular but not hardcore guys are already gone. And my area risks losing an entire generation of future players. I'm sorry for the long post, but today I started thinking about it, and it just sorta made me feel sad.
 
This is quit sad to hear but is the sad reality of the world we live in today. If you really want to open a pool hall and have some saved up I would recommend looking for investors that would help with the purchase of the building. I know it wouldn't be easy to find someone but if your truly interested I would give it your best shot before letting go of a dream. Best of luck in whatever future endeavors you decide.
 
Nothing unusual about that. Pool halls closed in my town 40 years ago, and nobody reopened any. 3 of the 4 bowling alleys closed that had pool tables also. Pool is played 95% in bars on coin-op tables. Times have moved on.
Have fun playing but the 1950's are long past.
 
Shit, that's nothing.

I was in Rome a few years ago and visited a coliseum, it was practically empty.

That place used to pack em in!

People don't wanna play pool and you found a small corner of the world where people love pool. Very different places.

Get yourself a table and enjoy it on your own terms.
 
This is quit sad to hear but is the sad reality of the world we live in today. If you really want to open a pool hall and have some saved up I would recommend looking for investors that would help with the purchase of the building. I know it wouldn't be easy to find someone but if your truly interested I would give it your best shot before letting go of a dream. Best of luck in whatever future endeavors you decide.

Except that an investor already owns the building. What you seem to mean is look for some investors that will buy the building and let you use it cheap for a business that can't support market rent. That's not what investors do.
 
What city is this?

We all know about the economy of Canada and the 'oil shale' - just curious where exactly you are located.

Mark Griffin
 
A little background. Without being to specific, I live in one of the fastest growing cities in Canada. In the last 5 years housing prices have doubled on the high end, tripled on the low end. We have arguably the strongest economy in the country, more jobs then workers, and companies have taken to importing labor to combat the shortage. Sounds not bad, only problem is, everyone is broke. Our wages haven't kept up with cost of living, and disposable income is always in short supply.

But onto pool. 15 years ago there were 13-14 pool halls in a city of 200,000ish. 5 years ago there was 2. Now there are none. A year ago or so, the last room closed. There is still one place with 8' tables, but it caters to university kids and company Christmas parties. This is not uncommon in many cities, but today it hit me how much I missed having the pool hall around.

2.5 hrs to the nearest nine foot or snooker table just isn't realistic. And I began to wonder if I could fill the vacuum myself. I have some experience running(mostly failing) businesses, and always kind of had a dream of my own joint. So I started doing some research in earnest. Tables, restaurant equipment, wholesalers it all seemed pretty doable. I have a chunk saved, and no fear of failure.

I then started investigating buildings, and the whole idea did a dead stop. A 6,000 sq ft building with no parking and in a rougher part of town is priced at $25 sq ft. A more desirable location is closer to $40. Maybe a smarter person then me would be able to make the numbers hypothetically work, but I can't. Which made me think, the only way it will happen is if someone has deep enough pockets to purchase a building ought right and then invest in an industry that has slowly been failing in the area. Not likely I would think.

But, the interesting thing to me, is how only one year without a pool room has changed things. The large in house league is of course gone. The VNEA leagues are down, No tournaments of course. And the biggest thing is the loss of friendship and acquaintances. The scene has fragmented, a few guys here and there playing in garages and basements or on a coin-op in a bar.

I kind off fear, that in a very short time, it will all be gone. The regular but not hardcore guys are already gone. And my area risks losing an entire generation of future players. I'm sorry for the long post, but today I started thinking about it, and it just sorta made me feel sad.

You need to look for a big old building deep in the woods away from the city.
Look for a old industrial warehouse.
Go for the old classic look and stay away from the bling.
Blow the money on tables and plumbing.
Make seating plenty - you want to avoid the standing up a go for the sit down scenario
Clean with comfort and room to roam.
Avoid the sports bar and big noise look - that is yesteryear and dying.

I am looking to do another room and it is going in the trees splitting the distance between three cities.
Leave the city rats in the city.


bill
 
If you have some money saved up and some space on your lot build you a nice size building out back somewhere. You could put a pool table and a snooker table in there and have your friends over and socialize all that you want.
 
From his hints I would guess Regina, Saskatchewan (2nd guess would be Saskatoon).

You would be correct. Although I actually live about 30 minutes away, and work mostly in Alberta.

Saskatoon still has a few halls last time I was there, how healthy they are I don't know.
 
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Painful

I feel your pain. My little hick town in Alaska had a pool hall for about 4 years and it closed up over a year and a half ago. No 9" tables unless you drive 150 miles to Anchorage and the local bar tables are in poor condition. I don't see any thing changing, Crap.
 
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