Interested in testing a new training aid?

The $149 price point you have now on your site is a good one.

As soon as you have an iOS/Mac version, I'll buy it. And I agree with Bob that it would be better / less conspicuous as a butt extension of some sort – if the weight and cosmetics were stealthy enough, I'd leave it on all the time, in practice and competition, and measure progress over time.
 
I just ordered one too.

Question to Steve:

On a standard Set (tip at CB), Pause (tip at end of backswing), Finish (tip through CB resting on table), what part of that stroke sequence is used as the "baseline" where deviations from are thus measured? Or, is it some other method? Thanks.
 
I just ordered one too.

Question to Steve:

On a standard Set (tip at CB), Pause (tip at end of backswing), Finish (tip through CB resting on table), what part of that stroke sequence is used as the "baseline" where deviations from are thus measured? Or, is it some other method? Thanks.

The baseline is straight. If you deviate, side to side, it shows it.you can see if your tip goes down towards the table after contact. You also get to see the acceleration curve. But it isn't comparing to any baseline, you simply see the graphs of your stroke.

I'd like to think future releases of the software would contain varies such as side by side comparison. It would be rather nice if you could load some baseline stroke graphs from some pros, for example, and compare your own. The primary value of the device, as is, would be to evaluate the straightness of your stroke and see how accurate you are at returning the tip of your cue to the same point of the cb you started from.
 
Is an Android and Windows Tablet enough? Or would I need a laptop as well?

I'm EXTREMELY interested in this. Even to buy rather just test.
 
The baseline is straight. If you deviate, side to side, it shows it.you can see if your tip goes down towards the table after contact. You also get to see the acceleration curve. But it isn't comparing to any baseline, you simply see the graphs of your stroke.

I'd like to think future releases of the software would contain varies such as side by side comparison. It would be rather nice if you could load some baseline stroke graphs from some pros, for example, and compare your own. The primary value of the device, as is, would be to evaluate the straightness of your stroke and see how accurate you are at returning the tip of your cue to the same point of the cb you started from.

Mark, Thanks for your explanation. I'd like to add that the 'baseline' is established by the orientation of your cue stick at the set position of the final stroke. QMD will then show you in detail the orientation and deviations of the cue stick from this baseline for the remainder of the stroke from the beginning of the backstroke through to the impact with the cue ball.

We're working on software enhancements to let you save and see a 'profile' of your stroke (sort of an average for one of your practice drills) that you can compare to another profile and see any changes. Getting some profiles from some Pros that you can compare yours to is another feature we have in mind.

Steve
 
Mark, Thanks for your explanation. I'd like to add that the 'baseline' is established by the orientation of your cue stick at the set position of the final stroke. QMD will then show you in detail the orientation and deviations of the cue stick from this baseline for the remainder of the stroke from the beginning of the backstroke through to the impact with the cue ball.

We're working on software enhancements to let you save and see a 'profile' of your stroke (sort of an average for one of your practice drills) that you can compare to another profile and see any changes. Getting some profiles from some Pros that you can compare yours to is another feature we have in mind.

Steve

Thank you for the clarification. That was what I was looking for.

For me, this would be great, as I line up the shot with the stick orientation I intend to stroke with. For others, that pivot purposely line up center CB, and then pivot during the shot to apply english, I wonder if the baseline for these players would be better suited from the "pause position"?
 
1 removed from package
2 went to site and downloaded on my phone (S5) maybe 30 seconds
3 placed device on cue in a few seconds
4 hit a few balls
5 walked over to phone (about 20 feet away)
6 reviewed shots
works exactly as stated and had feedback in minutes, easiest product I've ever used. Will spend more time with it over the weekend.
Jason

Possibly will spend more time drinking than playing with this new gadget.

Rep for Smorg M'fers
 
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How many shots does this record before review is necessary? For instance, can you play a few racks and then get a break down of your stroke per shot?

Also, is the weight of the device noticeable as you're shooting?


Interesting device. I'm very interested.
 
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How many shots does this record before review is necessary? For instance, can you play a few racks and then get a break down of your stroke per shot?

Also, is the weight of the device noticeable as you're shooting?


Interesting device. I'm very interested.

Each shot is recorded individually. Think of it as a separate file. The shots are stored in "sessions". If you play a few racks recorded in the same session, all those shots are recorded. You could use the arrows on the screen to scroll to a specific shot and review the graphs of that shot. They're only identified by number however so you'd have to keep track.

Honestly, the device works best for analyzing your stroke during practice drills. I set up a Samsung Pro Tablet with a 13.3" screen on the edge of the table. The most recent shot is what is on the screen. So I look at it shot by shot to get feedback. If I see something "wrong", I try to make corrections and again, look at it shot by shot. I suppose the device could be used while playing racks but I'm not sure how effective it would be in that mode. Just MHO.
 
Each shot is recorded individually. Think of it as a separate file. The shots are stored in "sessions". If you play a few racks recorded in the same session, all those shots are recorded. You could use the arrows on the screen to scroll to a specific shot and review the graphs of that shot. They're only identified by number however so you'd have to keep track.

Honestly, the device works best for analyzing your stroke during practice drills. I set up a Samsung Pro Tablet with a 13.3" screen on the edge of the table. The most recent shot is what is on the screen. So I look at it shot by shot to get feedback. If I see something "wrong", I try to make corrections and again, look at it shot by shot. I suppose the device could be used while playing racks but I'm not sure how effective it would be in that mode. Just MHO.

You could have a video camera positioned so that it clearly shows both your shot and the computer screen result. Reviewing that would help, I'd think.

Jeff Livingston
 
You could have a video camera positioned so that it clearly shows both your shot and the computer screen result. Reviewing that would help, I'd think.

Jeff Livingston

I suggested to the developer they add the capability to add up to two inputs into the app. This could be video and/or audio. I think it would be really helpful if you could tie the video camera into app and have the video of your stroke side by side with the graphs. For the really anal, with two inputs, you could have two video cameras feeding in, say one from in front, one from behind or one from above and one in front. Or wherever. That could be a formidable development task but would enhance the app substantially. Perhaps that will come in the future. Bottom line, as is, the app really helps diagnose glitches in your stroke. That's the important thing.
 
Tracking shows mine was just delivered. I can't wait to try it. I hope it works with a Mac booted into Windows 7.

Btw, my order was shipped immediately. My first reaction was: "This guy must not be a pool player!" Lol.
 
After a couple hours of use, here's my initial take on the QMD product:

My QMD also arrived very quickly. I ordered it on Wednesday last week, I hadn't been checking the mail, thinking I'd see it on Monday or Tuesday. Right before Superbowl kick-off, my wife goes and checks the mail and brings in the QMD package.....good news it was surprisingly quick, bad news I didn't watch much of the game.

The packaging was very well done, everything was received in good order. I don't have an android based phone or tablet so I downloaded the free software to my Windows 8.1 laptop. After having to do a Java download and figuring out how to turn on my laptop's Bluetooth transceiver, I had the QMD up and running in about 15 minutes.

I started using QMD by setting my laptop on the long rail and shooting the cue ball strait from the head rail to the foot rail and having the cue ball come back and contact my cue tip. I quickly learned that didn't work very well, I'm guessing it's because the QMD records a shot when still motion is followed up by an impact to your cue tip. I'd often get two shots registering, the initial shot and then when the cue ball came back and impacted my awaiting cue tip. I simply altered my procedure and moved my cue tip out of the way after a reasonable follow through. This gave good results, shots were being recorded without the phantom shots.

After each shot, I'd look over at the laptop that would be automatically playing a loop of the last shot recorded. This gave me very useful immediate feedback, better feedback than other methods such as having an observer, shooting in front of a mirror or video taping myself. The graphical representation of my shot in the QMD software in conjunction with observing the cue ball direction and spin gave me more of an "under the hood" or micro analysis of my stroke.

The fun really started when I began experimenting with adjusting parameters of my stance, grip, bridge etc. to see how it would impact the straightness of my stroke. I'd shoot with my third and fourth fingers wrapped around the cue grip then shoot with them relaxed and away, only gripping with my thumb and first finger. The differences were readily apparent.

With QMDs help I made a minor adjustment to my back foot placement that yielded less stroke error. I think it's already helping me fine tune my mechanics which is really what I purchased it for. I would probably eventually find and make these same adjustments, I just think QMD aids in making those revelations quicker than one would without it.

Another variable that I was able to use QMD to see the difference in was using a glove on the bridge hand vs. not. With the glove, I was able to tighten up the pressure on my closed loop bridge and it would reduce some of the variance in my stroke errors. Without the glove, I couldn't use as tight of a bridge and I'd get more error in my cue tip placement.

I had my wife take a few shots and was able to quickly show her how her natural elbow drop was raising the cue tip just before impact with the cue ball. To the naked eye, it usually looked to me like her elbow drop happened after cue ball impact.

I've been working on slowing down my back stroke, the QMD velocity graph does a great job showing me how well I'm doing in that area. The velocity graph showed a very quick forward acceleration in my wife's stroke with a quicker transition from back stroke to forward stroke as compared to mine. She's now working on developing a smother transition.

Another item QMD identified was that if I use too forward of a grip in conjunction with not addressing close enough to the cue ball that I may impact the cue ball after the cue tip has hit its maximum velocity and is actually decelerating. I'll choke up with my grip hand to try to get higher cue tip speed on occasion, especially in break shots. In the future I'll be more aware that I don't run out of arm travel before tip contact with the cue ball. This was one issue I never knew I had.

Overall I'm very pleased with the QMD product. I definitely recommend it and I think it provides a good value, especially to someone who's time is at a premium. I have a time consuming career and am always looking for ways to maximize my improvement with the table time I have. Sure, a video camera and careful analysis/editing would likely show me the same things QMD did but that would be more time consuming. Bottom line, if you're curious about this product like I was you'll likely be happy with it.
 
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I have one of these and never used it. I didn't realize it didn't work with an iphone/ipad (cause making it compatible with the most popular devices would be crazy!)


I was going to return it for a refund but they were ***** about it. If anyone wants it, it's yours for $100
 
Very Interesting.

I would love to see what a straight stroke looks like with this device. The demonstration and the view from the back of the cue was awful looking. I can only imagine what my stroke looks like.

JoeyA
 
After a couple hours of use, here's my initial take on the QMD product:

My QMD also arrived very quickly. I ordered it on Wednesday last week, I hadn't been checking the mail, thinking I'd see it on Monday or Tuesday. Right before Superbowl kick-off, my wife goes and checks the mail and brings in the QMD package.....good news it was surprisingly quick, bad news I didn't watch much of the game.

The packaging was very well done, everything was received in good order. I don't have an android based phone or tablet so I downloaded the free software to my Windows 8.1 laptop. After having to do a Java download and figuring out how to turn on my laptop's Bluetooth transceiver, I had the QMD up and running in about 15 minutes.

I started using QMD by setting my laptop on the long rail and shooting the cue ball strait from the head rail to the foot rail and having the cue ball come back and contact my cue tip. I quickly learned that didn't work very well, I'm guessing it's because the QMD records a shot when still motion is followed up by an impact to your cue tip. I'd often get two shots registering, the initial shot and then when the cue ball came back and impacted my awaiting cue tip. I simply altered my procedure and moved my cue tip out of the way after a reasonable follow through. This gave good results, shots were being recorded without the phantom shots.

After each shot, I'd look over at the laptop that would be automatically playing a loop of the last shot recorded. This gave me very useful immediate feedback, better feedback than other methods such as having an observer, shooting in front of a mirror or video taping myself. The graphical representation of my shot in the QMD software in conjunction with observing the cue ball direction and spin gave me more of an "under the hood" or micro analysis of my stroke.

The fun really started when I began experimenting with adjusting parameters of my stance, grip, bridge etc. to see how it would impact the straightness of my stroke. I'd shoot with my third and fourth fingers wrapped around the cue grip then shoot with them relaxed and away, only gripping with my thumb and first finger. The differences were readily apparent.

With QMDs help I made a minor adjustment to my back foot placement that yielded less stroke error. I think it's already helping me fine tune my mechanics which is really what I purchased it for. I would probably eventually find and make these same adjustments, I just think QMD aids in making those revelations quicker than one would without it.

Another variable that I was able to use QMD to see the difference in was using a glove on the bridge hand vs. not. With the glove, I was able to tighten up the pressure on my closed loop bridge and it would reduce some of the variance in my stroke errors. Without the glove, I couldn't use as tight of a bridge and I'd get more error in my cue tip placement.

I had my wife take a few shots and was able to quickly show her how her natural elbow drop was raising the cue tip just before impact with the cue ball. To the naked eye, it usually looked to me like her elbow drop happened after cue ball impact.

I've been working on slowing down my back stroke, the QMD velocity graph does a great job showing me how well I'm doing in that area. The velocity graph showed a very quick forward acceleration in my wife's stroke with a quicker transition from back stroke to forward stroke as compared to mine. She's now working on developing a smother transition.

Another item QMD identified was that if I use too forward of a grip in conjunction with not addressing close enough to the cue ball that I may impact the cue ball after the cue tip has hit its maximum velocity and is actually decelerating. I'll choke up with my grip hand to try to get higher cue tip speed on occasion, especially in break shots. In the future I'll be more aware that I don't run out of arm travel before tip contact with the cue ball. This was one issue I never knew I had.

Overall I'm very pleased with the QMD product. I definitely recommend it and I think it provides a good value, especially to someone who's time is at a premium. I have a time consuming career and am always looking for ways to maximize my improvement with the table time I have. Sure, a video camera and careful analysis/editing would likely show me the same things QMD did but that would be more time consuming. Bottom line, if you're curious about this product like I was you'll likely be happy with it.

Glad it's helping you! How far away from the cb at address where you before you changed it, and how far now?
 
Glad it's helping you! How far away from the cb at address where you before you changed it, and how far now?

I perceived I was 1/4" but in reality I was more like 1/2". Now I'm about 2mm or 1/16" at the most. I'll occasionally brush up against the cue ball, I imagine I'll struggle with that for a week or so until I get myself programmed.
 
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