Bank shots vs kick shots

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Plagueis

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How is it that I can make banks shots 90% of the time but make kick shots only 5% of the time (if that) any idea what my flaw could be because I don't know. Maybe My stroke is off :( any advice is welcome and what drills can I do to up my game with kick shots.
 
Plagueis said:
How is it that I can make banks shots 90% of the time but make kick shots only 5% of the time (if that) any idea what my flaw could be because I don't know. Maybe My stroke is off :( any advice is welcome and what drills can I do to up my game with kick shots.
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There was a boy who brought his report card home and showed it to his Father. The boy had received an E in Spelling, an E in English, an E in Geography and a D in Mathematics. The Father told his son "you're spending too much time studying Math".

If you can make 90% of your bank shots you've got fewer problems with them than I do:thumbup:.

ONB
 
I must be a visualization error, what you think should work isn't what is actually what is needed. If what you are doin isn't working, change something.

I made changes to my kicking, and now I make 106%of my kicks.
 
Maybe you are putting a bit of unintentional spin on the cue ball when you hit it. Putting a tiny bit of unintentional spin on the cue ball on a simple bank won't change the path enough to miss. But put that same spin and hit the rail first on a kick and it will change the path of the cue ball enough to miss your kick.
 
Old Nine Baller said:
There was a boy who brought his report card home and showed it to his Father. The boy had received an E in Spelling, an E in English, an E in Geography and a D in Mathematics. The Father told his son "you're spending too much time studying Math".

ONB
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You just had to go and use logic didn't you? Well said sir
 
Assuming you don't mean balls in the jaws of the pocket, it's more difficult to hit the OB in just the right spot when having to go to a rail first.

Much comes into play with that rail on a bank too but there is some margin for error given the size of the pocket.

When kicking you now have the rail stuff but instead or having the margin of error of the pocket you have virtually none as the OB must be hit on the correct contact point.

I hope you can see the increase in difficulty. That is why it is said, don't bank when you can cut & don't kick when you can bank.

As for drills, CJ Wiley suggests lining a series of balls along the long rail about a 1/2 diamond apart & a ball's width form the rail & then simply start at the side pocket & role them across table & into the corner pocket & then from the side pocket in the other direction. He says that alone will enhance both one's banking & kicking ability. you can also roll them into the side pockte. Naturally one can do the same thing using running & holding english & can be done long ways too. AND it can be done with his TIPS method to apply those englishes.

Good Luck on Getting Better with the Kicks,
Rick
 
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Plagueis said:
How is it that I can make banks shots 90% of the time but make kick shots only 5% of the time (if that) any idea what my flaw could be because I don't know. Maybe My stroke is off :( any advice is welcome and what drills can I do to up my game with kick shots.
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Do you use any methods to bank/kick or just feel?
 
Plagueis...It's because when you bank a ball only a small portion of sidespin can be transferred from the CB to the OB. When you kick, even a tiny bit of unintended sidespin will cause the CB to come off the rail at different angles, causing you to miss your kick. Speed and spin are the culprits with kicking.

Scott Lee
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Plagueis said:
How is it that I can make banks shots 90% of the time but make kick shots only 5% of the time (if that) any idea what my flaw could be because I don't know. Maybe My stroke is off :( any advice is welcome and what drills can I do to up my game with kick shots.
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Wileydog said:
Do you use any methods to bank/kick or just feel?
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I've trained myself to see the bank angles through practice. Find the natural angle and adjust from there. I still miss on occasion but things only get easier. With me, leaving me with a bank shot isn't a safe play. I've made some amazing bank shots and remember them better than my mistakes which is always nice to look back on. :D nothin quite like finishing a game with an 8ball bank shot. People tend to hold their breath a little...
 
IMHO it's because on a bank shot the destination is a fixed spot: a corner or side pocket. Either way, it's on the rail. A simple mirror image method will work.

Kick shots are more difficult because the destination (the OB) can be anywhere on the table. That makes it much more difficult to judge the correct angle.
 
When kicking..

Plagueis said:
How is it that I can make banks shots 90% of the time but make kick shots only 5% of the time (if that) any idea what my flaw could be because I don't know. Maybe My stroke is off :( any advice is welcome and what drills can I do to up my game with kick shots.
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When banking it is easier to just accept learned angles without adjusting because you've got the ball you're directly aiming at to focus on.

When kicking, it becomes difficult because you have to focus at the point on the rail that you're aiming at. The problem with that is that you typically won't rely on learned angles for that. Most people will use angle in and angle out, but they'll do so through center ball which will always be off.

I had created a thread showing the difference in outcome when you aim angle in/angle out through center ball versus the contact point on the cb that touches the rail you're aiming at.

I'll try to find that thread and link to it here in a minute for you..

Jaden

ok found it...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=362538&highlight=jaden+kicking+banking+system

Actually that wasn't the one I was thinking of, I guess I've made more than one thread about it. Here is the other one with a mroe comprehensive illustration..

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=369861&highlight=banking+kicking
 
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ENGLISH! said:
If it's an 'on' bank compared to a thin cut far from a pocket the bank would probably be the percentage shot.

There is also a saying why try to get shape when you already have it?

Best,
Rick
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Quite true, easy to control the CB on a bank shot but a thin cut requires more speed and more variables which makes the bank a better choice IMHO
 
Jaden said:
I had created a thread showing the difference in outcome when you aim angle in/angle out through center ball versus the contact point on the cb that touches the rail you're aiming at.

I'll try to find that thread and link to it here in a minute for you..

Jaden

ok found it...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=362538&highlight=jaden+kicking+banking+system
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i find that very confusing. It's hard to understand, possibly, because I'm not near a table to practice on
 
It can seem confusing until you actually try it...

Plagueis said:
i find that very confusing. It's hard to understand, possibly, because I'm not near a table to practice on
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It's much easier to show the concept in person, but the second link is the one I was thinking of with a more comprehensive illustration.

It may take a few times reading it and a few times trying it to really get it.

Jaden
 
Plagueis said:
i find that very confusing. It's hard to understand, possibly, because I'm not near a table to practice on
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Until Jaden get's his post. It's sort of like aiming at the diamond on the 'wood' portion vs straight out to the point on the actual rubber rail.

That's not exactly it but that should give you an idea of the difference but it is smaller with the ball.

If you shoot the center of the ball at a point on the rail the ball will actually contact the rail nearer to you since it is approaching on an angle & the ball will pick up a bit of outside running english too all the time when hitting on an angle unless inside english cancels or takes it in the other direction.

Do you usually come up short or long on your kicks & do you use any english or are you intending to hit center cue ball?
 
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