Why?
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I'd say it's because CJ has spent so much more time using that method & it is well ingrained in his subconscious.
Another question might be, how is it that those long extreme cut shots that were so difficult with all other methods becomes so easy when using TOI with such an increase in the make percentages in such a short time frame after first using TOI.
Best 2 Ya & All,
Rick
LOL Excellent answers! My intentions were tongue in cheek and not meant as an offense to your credit as a student of the game. I do appreciate your insight into these "logical" debates and your common sense approach to all this pool technique fanaticism .
PJ shouldn't have to be subjected to veiled criticism because he has a keen grasp on the technical aspects of the game. We should extend the same courtesy to CJ and not fault him for being able play at a higher level than we can. We need them both and can learn from each of them. I just wish they'd find a common ground and stop wasting time on the word games. :thumbup:
Best,
Mike
It's not why one player shoots better than another...it's about which technique works better for you. For me it's TOI. After shooting from a center CB reference applying English as I saw fit for the circumstances for almost 30 years, I found TOI more consistent especially for pocketing and it allows me personally to play at a higher skill level for much longer than I was before. It flat out works. I'm less and less inclined to continue debating or even contemplating HOW it works, especially the longer these fascile threads continue. If you don't believe in it or don't agree with it's potential for changing your game, then ignore it. No critic here will change my opinion. I've been playing (successfully) with this technique for going on three years now. CJ still manages to leak out a tid bit that actually helps me refine my game further. Hopefully the trolls don't ultimately run him off, I've still got some improvements to make!
I like your post and the content
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It's not why one player shoots better than another...it's about which technique works better for you. For me it's TOI. After shooting from a center CB reference applying English as I saw fit for the circumstances for almost 30 years, I found TOI more consistent especially for pocketing and it allows me personally to play at a higher skill level for much longer than I was before. It flat out works. I'm less and less inclined to continue debating or even contemplating HOW it works, especially the longer these fascile threads continue. If you don't believe in it or don't agree with it's potential for changing your game, then ignore it. No critic here will change my opinion. I've been playing (successfully) with this technique for going on three years now. CJ still manages to leak out a tid bit that actually helps me refine my game further. Hopefully the trolls don't ultimately run him off, I've still got some improvements to make!
Good Post.
I too am still refining my 'new' TOI game.
I too would be disappointed if CJ were to get fed up with the trolling & leave, not so much for me but for all those out there in AZB land that don't post but only read. There are an extreme amount more of them then there are a handful that troll CJ for their sick enjoyment.
Again, Good Post &
Best 2 Ya,
Rick
What sets any two individuals apart in sports where things like strength and stamina aren't influential traits?
Technique. The better the persons technique the more consistent that person will be. How do you get that technique? Hours and hours of practice to make it reliable and repeatable.
Then it comes down to a persons mental ability in a game like pool. How does one person choose a run out pattern over another way? Again, practice and play enough pool and you start to learn the most efficient and higher percentage run outs.
A persons ability to learn from their mistakes counts for something also.CJ mentions if he misses the part of the pocket either way he intended to hit then he automatically adjusts for the next shot. He has his own ways of adjusting depending on how he missed. If a new comer misses a shot they cant pinpoint exactly why they missed so cant adjust next time, and that ties in with CJ probably knowing exactly why he missed. A twitch here, an off-straight draw back...CJ I'm sure when he misses can diagnose what went wrong and why. That comes with playing so damn much over the course of your life.
How you spend your time at the table also. If you don't take anything away from a practice session, a tournament or a money match then you haven't been paying attention to how you played. I know of no pro that wins an event and comes away thinking I played perfect. Most think well this wasn't right, that wasn't quite right and it seems to be that's the mentality of the very best players. As far as their game is concerned the glass is always half empty.
One thing is for certain, TOI isn't what sets CJ apart from Patrick. There are plenty of top professionals that don't use TOI solely in their game and have been able to compete at the highest level. A system doesn't make you God. A system, and that can be any system, will only emphasize a players current abilities.
Technique. The better the persons technique the more consistent that person will be. How do you get that technique? Hours and hours of practice to make it reliable and repeatable.
Then it comes down to a persons mental ability in a game like pool. How does one person choose a run out pattern over another way? Again, practice and play enough pool and you start to learn the most efficient and higher percentage run outs.
A persons ability to learn from their mistakes counts for something also.CJ mentions if he misses the part of the pocket either way he intended to hit then he automatically adjusts for the next shot. He has his own ways of adjusting depending on how he missed. If a new comer misses a shot they cant pinpoint exactly why they missed so cant adjust next time, and that ties in with CJ probably knowing exactly why he missed. A twitch here, an off-straight draw back...CJ I'm sure when he misses can diagnose what went wrong and why. That comes with playing so damn much over the course of your life.
How you spend your time at the table also. If you don't take anything away from a practice session, a tournament or a money match then you haven't been paying attention to how you played. I know of no pro that wins an event and comes away thinking I played perfect. Most think well this wasn't right, that wasn't quite right and it seems to be that's the mentality of the very best players. As far as their game is concerned the glass is always half empty.
One thing is for certain, TOI isn't what sets CJ apart from Patrick. There are plenty of top professionals that don't use TOI solely in their game and have been able to compete at the highest level. A system doesn't make you God. A system, and that can be any system, will only emphasize a players current abilities.
I'd say it has much more to do with the length of time they've played than with the method used. How do other pros play just as well as CJ (or better?
) without TOI?(At risk of repeating myself) I think TOI's main benefit is that it teaches focus on precision tip/CB placement, which can have several important effects on your game. I've posted in the past, before TOI marketing flooded the forum, about that being an often-overlooked critical aspect of the game.
I don't believe TOI is needed for that lesson - but if that's the way you need to learn it, then I'm glad you found it.
pj
chgo
A clue to this behavior is seen after almost every match where a top player misses a key shot or position to lose a session. After the loss, they will many times set up the shot in question and do it again to see what went wrong. They wanted a result, but got something unexpected instead.
Best,
Mike
Ron Swanson
Banned
Because we're not all equal.
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I'd say it has much more to do with the length of time they've played than with the method used. How do other pros play just as well as CJ (or better?
I can understand your logic a bit here but then how do young guns like Brandon Shuffett beat Earl or how did a young CJ Wiley play almost flawlessly to beat Steve Mizerak?
(At risk of repeating myself) I think TOI's main benefit is that it teaches focus on precision tip/CB placement, How does it teach that in a matter of minutes or an hour or so? which can have several important effects on your game. I've posted in the past, before TOI marketing flooded the forum, about that being an often-overlooked critical aspect of the game. Okay, but that has nothing to do with TOI. Especially for those like myself that have been playing for many many years with english & have been always focussing on precise tip placement.
I don't believe TOI is needed for that lesson - but if that's the way you need to learn it, then I'm glad you found it. I did NOT need TOI to learn precise tip place as I stated above. But, I too am very glad that CJ introduced TOI here & I was here to learn about it. It is a very useful technique if only used occasionally or can be a very effective complete style of play.
pj
chgo
Message too short per above.
Ron Swanson
Banned
There's only one reason landon beat earl, and that's because he bored him to death.
Nothing else.
Well...if that is all it takes for a young guy to beat Earl I think Earl will be losing more than he's use to doing.:wink:
Sure! For $3500 Earl was bored.
And I guess the match before when Landon won against John Morra by a similar score, John was bored as well.
And I guess Earl was bored in a previous match on a 9 footer in a money match on The Viking Tour where Landon won 7-4. I have that one on DVD and I can assure you Earl was not bored. I would like to put that match on YouTube but it's haters like you that keep me from doing so.
Stan Shuffett
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It would be interesting to hear your opinion on what separates the great ball pocketers from the others.
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I will make a couple of quick comments but I won't stay long as I am quite tired of the knocks.
It is very simple. 2 things
The eyes must be right and the other is possession of a straight stroke.
Landon won against Earl because of his visual strength and because he stroked straight under pressure.
Many spend a lifetime and never get their eyes right. One thing that all pros fear and that is a player that can come at them with a straight stroke shot after shot. A straight stroke is quite rare......
I could break this down in detail but I would soon be attacked and I am not interested
In dealing with those that want to come after what I say.
Stan Shuffett
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